EPTBut then you get some quests that change the mobs' loots, and after you get the quest the mob will never drop his components again, right ? So if you haven't dropped enough of his previous drop you'll never be able to drop the item again, right ?
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MrCon
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But then you get some quests that change the mobs' loots, and after you get the quest the mob will never drop his components again, right ? So if you haven't dropped enough of his previous drop you'll never be able to drop the item again, right ? | ||
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MrCon
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Can be obtained from Avenger Knight (Yukiko’s Castle, 6-7/F) So, normally the Avenger drops this : Bronze Reins And you need 6 to unlock Metal Jacket in the shop. But when you take the quest, the avenger drop change from Bronze Reins to Demon Statue. But I'm not sure if once you finish the quest the Avenger will get his old loot back ? If not I'll be forced to farm TT Because if he doesn't get his old loot back, the Metal Jacket could be lost forever, and I'm a completionist  | ||
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Angra
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I am streaming now again finally btw! | ||
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dkpl
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Angra
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ill try streaming again later this weekend.. sorry about that haha | ||
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dkpl
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I don't actually have one available right now. I checked my notes and the only one I have is for a level 37 devil arcana, but you either need rank 7 devil link, or access to the next dungeon to grind it to a suitable level. (It needs level 42, which is a bit much for now) I also had you down for a level 41 recipe for a pretty good electric persona, but apparently, that's from the emperor arcana, and I think you haven't started kanji's s.link yet, soooo when you get to level 45, I can make a recipe for an almost-as-good electric persona in the hierophant arcana (dojima's link) | ||
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kyarisan
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MrCon
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On September 24 2011 13:28 dkpl wrote: Concerning my next recipe, since you mentioned it in the 15 min that you did stream I don't actually have one available right now. I checked my notes and the only one I have is for a level 37 devil arcana, but you either need rank 7 devil link, or access to the next dungeon to grind it to a suitable level. (It needs level 42, which is a bit much for now) I also had you down for a level 41 recipe for a pretty good electric persona, but apparently, that's from the emperor arcana, and I think you haven't started kanji's s.link yet, soooo when you get to level 45, I can make a recipe for an almost-as-good electric persona in the hierophant arcana (dojima's link) Do you have any formula for me , I'm 62. By the way, I found the answer to my question : the loot table of the mobs return to normal after you've cleaned their quest  So no panic, you can't miss anything. | ||
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MrCon
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And I have to thank you for that, it's a very good game. Usually I have a very hard time to find myself attached to the characters in RPG games. In FF for instance I find some chars funny, but that's it, they're more a caricature than antyhing. But I'll miss the P4 characters when I'm done with the game. Not sure if that already happened to me in any game. | ||
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dkpl
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On September 26 2011 23:11 MrCon wrote: Do you have any formula for me , I'm 62. By the way, I found the answer to my question : the loot table of the mobs return to normal after you've cleaned their quest So no panic, you can't miss anything.Mmm, I can't really output anything as detailed as the recipes I've already posted here without knowing some information beforehand. Obviously I can try, but you can help yourself out a lot if you post what personas you are usually using, what you're specifically looking for (if any), and what high rank or max rank s.links you have. Also, what date it currently is in your game. Without any information to work with, I can give some basic suggestions: You can get Skadi at level 52, which is a pretty good ice persona from the Empress arcana. It learns Spell Master at level 60, so if you have a very high Empress rank (Margaret), and fuse it on a bonus link exp day, you can get very close without having to lift a finger. The goal here isn't really Skadi, but Spell Master itself, so you can pass it onto a whole bunch of other personas. If you fuse Pazuzu (level 37 devil), it learns Cool Breeze at level 42, which you can combine with Spell Master with great results. You can pretty much spam medium and high damage spells every battle and never run out of SP. Of course, the trick is getting both skills onto the same persona An alternate choice here is Yatagarasu (level 40 sun) which also learns Cool Breeze at level 46. It just depends on which s.link is higher, but really, at your current dungeon, you can probably manually level up either one to learn the appropriate skill in a couple battles.At level 63, you can make Siegfried, which I remember being pretty good. If you wait until level 65, you can create Thor, who learns Arms Master, which you can then pass on to Siegfried. That, combined with the Regenerate 3 makes it a really durable physical attacker. On September 27 2011 00:55 MrCon wrote: By the way, I kept hearing about persona but didn't really want to play it before watching your stream, which decided me. And I have to thank you for that, it's a very good game. Usually I have a very hard time to find myself attacked to the characters in RPG games. In FF for instance I find some chars funny, but that's it, they're more a caricature than antyhing. But I'll miss the P4 characters when I'm done with the game. Not sure if that already happened to me in any game. You might wanna give P3 a try after you're done with P4. I think most people who liked one also liked the other. Story is unrelated, but occurs in the same universe. If you do this, make sure you get P3FES and not the plain P3. FES version basically has a lot of added content. | ||
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MrCon
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I am lvl9 margaret, lvl10 with everyone from school/home except the last member 6,I 'm at November 6. Level 10 devil, hermit, and level 6 tower, 7 temperance, 4 hanged, 5 fortune. I have Pazuzu and Yatagaratsu, I think I fused them when I was trying to make the Margaret requests, but I never played them so I never heard of the skill cool breeze, must try it ! But I don't have much SP problem, I have a succubus with invigorate 3 and drain SP., so when I need SP I can go to a floor where I have a easy player advantage and I equip succubus and recover +-70SP in 2 turns. I think I have spell master on someone I fused to make space...Yeah, on Garuda. I'll try to remake all my fusions from links that take a lot of time to start (like death or devil), guess I missed a good amount of skills. | ||
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dkpl
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I aim to have one persona focusing on each element. At your level, these persona usually have both element boost + element amp for their respective element, since they stack together for damage boosting. They should also at least have a high-damage single-target spell and a medium-damage multi-target spell (eg. Agidyne and Maragion). And I'm a sucker for nullifying their weaknesses, so I make sure I slap on a skill to do so (should be null element at this point, but resist element works too) For light and dark spells, I think making a persona that learns both is okay (like White Rider from Death Arcana). Near the end though, I prefer to make Alice and Daisoujou for their Die for me! and Samsara spells, which cannot be inherited in P4. But actually, in my experience, White Rider is very good, and even saves you one persona slot. I just personally really like Alice and Daisoujou Just for clarity, White Rider learns Hamaon, Mudoon, Mahamaon, Mamudoon, Hama Boost, and Mudo Boost. It's only weakness is fire, so I usually try to put resist or null fire on him. I also aim to have a triple auto persona, usually with high agility as well. This way, I switch to this persona before every battle, then my main character should get the first turn in combat if I failed to get a surprise attack on the enemy shadow. I'm not certain, but I think at your level, you can even get all three auto-ma skills. I usually neglect to make a healing persona, since I leave that to Yukiko or item usage (until the very end, when I made Kohryu). For the most part, any persona in your existing line-up that picks up Mediarama is good enough. Once you get to the 70s or 80s, there are plenty of high-end personas that can fit the role of a dedicated healer if you need one. And finally, I make a nice physical persona near the end as well. Usually Siegfried, but I hear Yoshitsune gets a lot of heralding for being the strongest persona in the game. I usually slap on Apt Pupil and Armsmaster on whatever I choose. With Apt pupil, you get a pretty good chance to score a critical hit with any physical attack. Which means a lot of "Once More"s and stunned enemies with multi-targeting attacks. Armsmaster just lets you spam physical attacks without killing yourself + Show Spoiler + Sorry Angra for hijacking your thread But on the plus side, once you start playing again, I can make some recipes for you based on some of the above ideas | ||
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MrCon
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for now I used a sandra and a sarasvati which both had 2 elements attack all. Now I'm using a little of everything, but I still have each second level hit all elements. Fusing specialized personas is interesting, but it seems hard and long, I'll have to make a ton of planning for that. For now I'm using a triple auto persona to initiate battles, allow me to just press triangle and forget unless enemies are immune physical or better. I just started heaven. | ||
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oneofthem
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dkpl
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On September 28 2011 19:05 MrCon wrote: Thanks ! for now I used a sandra and a sarasvati which both had 2 elements attack all. Now I'm using a little of everything, but I still have each second level hit all elements. Fusing specialized personas is interesting, but it seems hard and long, I'll have to make a ton of planning for that. For now I'm using a triple auto persona to initiate battles, allow me to just press triangle and forget unless enemies are immune physical or better. I just started heaven. ermm, sarasvati, as in the level 17 persona? And I guess you mean andra, the level 20 persona? :/ If this is what you meant, I can think of a couple things wrong with the picture, lol. First, you should know that your personas level much slower than your character and your allies, it's almost always worth it to replace your existing line-up with higher base-level personas that learn better spells as well. Second, I assume your strategy is to either hit everything with normal attacks until they die, or hit enemies with their weaknesses (using low-damage multi-target spells), then kill them with all-out attacks? I'm actually left wondering if this is even a viable way to play, it just seems so inefficient, lol. I must not be getting the complete picture, so mind posting what skills they use, and any reason you stuck with those two? You must have access to some higher level personas too. At your level, there should be personas that have base skills that blow those two completely out of the water. :/ Meanwhile, I guess I'll come up with some basic element-specialized persona recipes. edit: I'll get to this on Friday night earliest, sorry :/ But meanwhile post more info please, so it doesn't take me forever to guess everything | ||
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MrCon
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Now I use personas that are around lvl60, but those 2 were very practical for a long time. Second, I assume your strategy is to either hit everything with normal attacks until they die, or hit enemies with their weaknesses (using low-damage multi-target spells), then kill them with all-out attacks? I'm actually left wondering if this is even a viable way to play, it just seems so inefficient, lol. yeah I do exactly that. Either the mobs are not physical resistant and I just press triangle and end the battle in 2 turns, or they're resistant and I use a hit all spell that hit their weakness and then an all out attack that kill everything.Not sure how I could do the battle faster than that, but I'm a beginner so perhaps there is something I didn't get =) It's true that I used those 2 personas for too long, because it was very easy to end the battles quickly, so now they're like level40 haha :D But I don't use them anymore at all, they aren't even in my inventory anymore. | ||
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dkpl
Canada1485 Posts
I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
I just tested out the stream again now however, and the lag seems to be completely gone. So I'll be playing again either tonight or tomorrow most likely. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 30 2011 02:26 dkpl wrote: Yes, what I need to know is what personas you are using NOW, so if I make you some recipes, they would be an upgrade I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol.I made a big fusion session following your advices and make a persona for each element, a persona with a tri auto for starting fight, a persona with good physical skills (I'll try to make a better one later but it's good enough now) and a trumpeter for debilitate/heat riser/cool breeze, here are the screens : + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bBlgi.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YV4RT.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/82ZPe.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cQgZ3.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yC991.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hb3pj.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EWrct.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qTb9W.jpg) Most of those could be perfected, but that means refusing all my low level personas to forget bad skills, I'm not sure I'll have the patience to do that. The good thing is that with those persona I could solo a little and gain a lot of levels for the hero. I didn't think about that earlier, or I would have a better skill than growth 3 on my Saturnus. By the way, all those fusions made me short on cash for the first time TT I had 1.5M, ended with 300k... | ||
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