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Hello!
With recent news about the Persona series, a remake of 4 on the Vita and a 3+4 fighter being developed for PS3, it's reminded me of how much I loved Persona 4 the first time I played it.
So I'll be starting a new game in P4 tonight and streaming it, and wanted to post about it here to see if there was any interest at all and start some discussion about the series. I know it might be kind of a hard thing to follow along with, considering it's long and an RPG, but it still might be fun. :p Obviously I'll have to do it across multiple days, but if there's enough of an interest then I'll definitely keep doing it.
I'll probably make another blog post about it later tonight when I start streaming (maybe 3-4+ hours from now), but I just wanted to start a discussion about Persona 3 and 4 because they are amazing games anyway, and see how many people would actually want to watch someone else play them.
Here's some links to the new games coming that were mentioned previously:
Persona 4 The Golden +more
Persona 3+4 Fighter pictures
This will be the stream link for when I stream later tonight: http://www.twitch.tv/apanthropy
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Woah, I completely missed this news about the P4 remake and this new fighter; both look super interesting though, I know I'll be getting a PSV now if only for the remake  .
I might stop by and watch, but seeing as I have my own copy of it lying around here I still have to finish... maybe not.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Incredible game!
I actually enjoyed the characters/plot/etc of Persona 3 more, but being able to control every character in P4 just trumps it. better gameplay is king 
To anyone who's never played/seen either of these Persona games, I highly recommend watching this guy stream them, because even if he's the worst player imaginable and can't kill anything, the game is still a total mindfuck that ought to be experienced at least once. Do P3 first imo~~~~~
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On September 01 2011 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Incredible game! I actually enjoyed the characters/plot/etc of Persona 3 more, but being able to control every character in P4 just trumps it. better gameplay is king To anyone who's never played/seen either of these Persona games, I highly recommend watching this guy stream them, because even if he's the worst player imaginable and can't kill anything, the game is still a total mindfuck that ought to be experienced at least once. Do P3 first imo~~~~~
I was thinking about doing P3, however I don't actually own the disc for it, so I'd have to find it somewhere online. :p Playing P4 is easier for me right now on emulator because I just have to pop my PS2 disc into my computer and it's good to go. I'll probably see what I can do about playing P3 though, too.
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Man, I love the persona games, own all of them (even those not released in the west) and have played through p3 at least half a dozen times and p4 a bunch as well.
I would be pretty interested to see and read the reactions of people who've never played the games after/during watching a stream of it.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
they're such polarizing games - people who love them really really love them, but I've known some others to be unable to get into the series. i think that's why i find them so interesting. they're certainly a departure from the norm.
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I really like Persona 1 and 2/1, 2/2 is ok but Persona 3 and(probably) 4 "suck". Suck as in...they changed the series to make it appeal to kids who want to be "cool", adding emo-looking characters who run around with mp3 players(or whatever the protagonist has). I prefer darker games, made for adults, not something like 3 (and 4).
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aers
United States1210 Posts
..how far did you get in P3?
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Dropped the game after some time, community links etc were too annoying. And I didn't like the main character anyway. So who knows how far I got in.
Just look at the difference:
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On September 01 2011 10:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
they're such polarizing games - people who love them really really love them, but I've known some others to be unable to get into the series. i think that's why i find them so interesting. they're certainly a departure from the norm.
That's definitely true. I tend to find a lot of things that I like are like this unfortunately haha.  I was even worried nobody would even reply to this blog at first, since it seems like people either absolutely love the series, or completely dislike it/haven't even played it before. There's really nobody I've ever heard say that it's just an okay series.
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persona 4 is aweeesome. <3 chie for life
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I think I'll be starting in about an hour. I know it's kind of late but some things came up. :c
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Alright guys I'm gonna start playing P4 now! Stream is up. :D
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definitely not for someone who wants an action-RPG or a lot of action, better for folling a weird story :D but great game, long game too, great character dialogue and voice acting, if that's what you're into! watching--
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yeah, its a pretty kick ass game. i enjoyed the story so much i played it twice more after my first playthrough, within a month. you can really tell atlus put the time and effort in.
my ONLY complaint about the game is that the dungeons can be a little repetitive and at some points in the game you just don't have very much to do.
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Thanks for watching everyone, I'll stream again tomorrow starting around the same time most likely!
Also sorry about the sound quality at times, I'll try to get that worked out.
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On September 01 2011 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:I actually enjoyed the characters/plot/etc of Persona 3 more, but being able to control every character in P4 just trumps it. better gameplay is king
Though you probably don't want to play a remake of a remake if you're already beaten the game, P3 Portable lets you manually control your allies. I found it more of a fangirl-oriented remake though...
As for P4, I remember one year spending my entire winter break playing it into the night every single night. I actually enjoyed it more than I did P3, but that probably has to do with me having watched my sister play the vanilla P3 to about 80% of the game, then I replayed it on FES and beat it. Kinda lost some of the epicness since I knew what was going to happen up until around December of the game. Still, nobody's ever gonna replace Aegis for me.
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Going to be streaming again tonight in about an hour, gonna play some HoN first on stream.
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Stream is up and playing Persona 4 in approximately 5 minutes!!
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Great game; played it for the first time a few months ago. Definitely going to watch ya play for a bit.
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I'll tune in for a bit
edit: Thanks for streaming
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Thanks for watching everyone. I would have kept playing more tonight but I'm too tired. :< I'll try to start earlier tomorrow though!
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EDIT: JK STREAMING P4 NOW!
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The English voice acting in P4 is so bad compared to the Japanese voices, wow. This is painful to listen to.
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lol, ok
after like 20 games of LoL for some reason I feel like watching this!
oh wait ive already played this game, haha
thought i played 3 but i guess not
go save yukiko bro even tho i liked chie better
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United States1654 Posts
On September 04 2011 15:58 ShadowDrgn wrote:
The English voice acting in P4 is so bad compared to the Japanese voices, wow. This is painful to listen to.
Really? I played through the game first with English voices, then went online to listen to some of the original voice acting. I actually prefer the English voices, probably because I got used to it haha.
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I played the undub, so I was used to the Japanese voices. Aside from a few scenes (Teddie: 'Raaaaawr!'), I find myself okay with the English voices. It's not as bad as some people make it out to be, and I was never dead set on the Japanese voice actors anyways.
In fact, I think Teddies English voice really matches well with the Japanese voice. He's exactly how I imagine him to sound like in English, lol.
Btw, thanks again for streaming Angra, looking forward to more whenever you play again.
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If I pmed a mod and asked to move this to the sports & games forum, as well as change the title to be more fitting, do you think they would? I'd really like to turn this thread into a discussion about the new Persona 3/4 games coming out in the OP, as well as talk a bit about Persona 5 even though there's not much info on it yet, in addition to letting people know when I'm streaming P4.
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Starting to play in a few minutes~!
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On September 04 2011 19:13 dkpl wrote:
In fact, I think Teddies English voice really matches well with the Japanese voice. He's exactly how I imagine him to sound like in English, lol.
I played the undub too. My Japanese is decent, but nowhere near fluent enough to play an RPG easily (I minored in it in college, did study abroad there, passed the JLPT level 3). Hearing Teddie's Japanese voice and the English "translations" of his lines made me feel like the translation virtually gutted his character. None of his jokes worked in English directly translated so they were mostly replaced for the worse, and just the general way he spoke didn't translate either. The best example that I can't forget is when you meet him and ask who he is.
Japanese: "Kuma wa kuma kuma!"
English: "I'm Teddie!"
Totally lost in translation. I'll leave it at that because I already sound like a weeaboo.
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Ah well, I'm not actually comparing the two side by side, so I don't remember most of the jokes. I mean, some of the jokes are probably going to be pretty difficult to translate anyway, so there's not really much to expect right?
I can only imagine what Teddie will say for the Kumada joke :/
But I'm talking about how the voices actually end up sounding like rather than the translations, and I'm okay with them. Except naoto. God that one just sounds so freaking monotone rather than + Show Spoiler +
edit:
This is for Angra, who needs serious help for a better persona line-up:
1) Sarasvati with Invigorate 2
anzu + orobas/pixie + forneus
Do this fusion with Yukiko's link at rank 3 and Sarasvati will level up twice after the fusion, immediately learning Invigorate 2. You'll use this persona to fuse Jack Frost and pass down Invigorate 2, since Sarasvati by itself is kinda like a weaker version of Jack Frost.
You need to follow one rule: Sarasvati must NOT learn bufu. It can learn other elements, but just strictly not bufu.
2) Jack Frost with Invigorate 2 + Resist Fire
ukobach + saravati from above fusion + apsaras
Try to get Yosuke's link to rank 5, so that Jack Frost will learn bufula when you fuse him. If not, you'll need to do a bit of leveling on Jack Frost before it learns a single-target spell. You'll need to level up ukobach until it learns resist fire at level 6. You can probably do it easily by equipping ukobach and having Yosuke or Chie clear a few rounds of enemies in Kanji's dungeon. Lastly, apsaras needs to be below level 7 so it doesn't learn bufu.
Try to redo it until Jack Frost inherits both Invigorate 2 and Resist Fire. It may take a while, but it'll be worth it.
As with all fusions save before fusing anything. And save on a new file in between fusions when doing multi-step fusions like this one.
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^ Thanks for all that. I'll definitely be following it next time I play. :p
I'm gonna start streaming now but probably won't play for a long time tonight. Had some stuff to do tonight so wasn't able to start early.
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Decided to actually stream tonight for a bit. Not sure how long but we shall see!
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I'm watching your recording from last night (you started so late lol, I went to sleep already by then)
I'm face-palming so hard after you fused Oberon away (((
You wanted a better electric persona -> Oberon learns elec boost next level (followed immediately by mazio) -> fuse it away for a higher level persona with lower magic stat -> replace that one with another persona you find later
And then later you find a base Oberon in the dungeon and overwrite your entry in the compendium with it lol. Ahhhhh y u hate Oberon, op.
At least you got that Xiezhai (aka electric sheep), which learns elec boost as well Eventually.
I got to the end of part 1 of your vod, I was going to suggest you fuse Rakshasa for auto-tarukaja, but you actually already did it. Level it up! That one is good
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Yeah I was talked into playing last night from some of the friends that I talk on vent with. :p I was also talked into fusing a million personas by them as well, which is why you saw me do so many dumbs things hahaha. I'M SORRY.
Also I'm streaming right now.
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Just posting the last step of the fusion process we were going through, but never finished:
1) level up Rakshasa once more to learn auto-tarukaja
2) Save your Rakshasa in your compendium (So you can buy it back after. Don't forget this step!)
3) Fuse Rakshasa + Anzu
Rakshasa being the one you just leveled
Anzu being the one you just fused (from last night, if you're reading this on Thursday evening)
The result SHOULD be phoenix. If not, then I failed horribly. I'm just gonna cross my fingers here and assume I got it right:
What should happen is the phoenix can learn a maximum of 4 skills (again, if not, uhh.. crap). Due to inheritance rules (which I'm going to spare you the explanation), two of the four skills are very likely to be Garu and Magaru from Anzu. Garu is redundant because Phoenix already knows Garula, but that's okay, you can just overwrite it the first moment Phoenix learns a 9th skill. For the 3rd skill, Phoenix should inherit auto-tarukaja, and the 4th skill could be whatever. Auto-tarukaja might be a little rare, so keep trying until you get it.
Just to recap, Phoenix should have 4 skill slots and inherit the following 3 skills:
1) Magaru
2) Garu (actually a junk skill, but it's too difficult to not learn it)
3) Auto-tarukaja
The result should be a high agility aoe fire/wind hybrid with auto-tarukaja. To use this persona effectively, switch to it before every battle, then you can use it or switch to another persona if needed when the battle starts. Note that this persona is actually quite brittle, with a glaring ice weakness and very low endurance. Try not to use it for boss fights. In fact, try not to use it unless you're sure you can wipe out all enemies in the first round. :<
You might also notice a serious lack of SP with these new SP-guzzling personas. Get in the habit of using up your main character's SP, then returning to Yukiko's dungeon on floor 1 with that Jack Frost w/ Invigorate 2. Just spam guard a few dozen times to rapidly regain lost SPs. You can even remove everyone else from the party to speed up this process.
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^ k I'll be trying to do some of this tonight :p
Streaming now
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I have your Pyro Jack recipe here, but it's really long Plus I had to do a lot of guess-work due to not knowing exactly how the fusion rules work and not having all the information on your personas. I'm going to hope for the best, but this persona would be quite good if this recipe ends up being successful
There's about 5 fuses in total. Each fusion has some specific rules you need to follow, so be very prebeared to spend a long time on this. Also, save between each step.
+ Show Spoiler +The goal of this recipe is to fuse Pyro Jack and inherit the following 3 skills: - Auto-tarukaja - Fire Boost - Invigorate 2 By itself, Pyro Jack will learn maragion, auto-rakukaja and resist ice, but it may require a bit of leveling after the fuse to learn everything. 1) Get to level 32 on your main character 1a) Optional goal: Get Yosuke's social link as high as possible. 2) Get a level 15 Eligor. There's two ways you can go about this: i) Fuse Orobas + Cu Sith Eligor can inherit absolutely anything here from the fusion. ii) Buy a base Eligor (level 12) and level it up 3 times Depending on your social link rank with Chie, you might need to do 2 anyway. Doing the first step can speed it up a little. Just a reminder that you can do the same thing you did with Ukobach in the Jack Frost fusion for fast leveling (except in Rise's dungeon this time). At level 15, Eligor learns Fire Boost. 3) Fuse Eligor (from above) + Valkyrie The result is Jack Frost, but you already have one. This Jack Frost is a temporary stepping stone for this recipe, don't worry if it sucks ass (which it will). If you're currently carrying another Jack Frost, you need to discard that one first. When you fuse this Jack Frost, do NOT save it to your compendium. Jack Frost must inherit Bufu and Fire Boost, but NOT any physical skills (Poison Skewer and Cleave). Should be pretty easy. 4) Fuse Jack Frost (from above) + Mokoi The result should be King Frost. Once again, King Frost must inherit Bufu and Fire Boost, but NOT any physical skills (Sonic Punch and Hysterical Slap). 5) You now have 3 ingredients to make Pyro Jack with the 3 skills we want: King Frost (Fire Boost) + Rakshasa (Auto-tarukaja) + Ganga (Invigorate 2) But Rakshasa is not a very good persona to make Pyro Jack because it has a tonne of physical skills, which Pyro Jack will favour over the 3 skills we want. Thankfully, Titan of the same arcana as Rakshasa, can give us the same result. Proceed to step 6 if you want an easier time making Pyro Jack. 6) Fuse Rakshasa + Valkyrie The result should be Titan. Titan must inherit auto-tarukaja. Bonus points if it inherits bufu as well. Titan must try not to inherit any physical skills (most of the skills from Rakshasa, unfortunately). This one might be a little difficult. If it ends up taking too much time, 1 physical skill inherited is acceptable. 7) Fuse King Frost (from above) + Titan (from above) + Ganga Pyro Jack must inherit Invigorate 2, Fire Boost, and Auto-tarukaja. It's easier than the method from step 5, but still very very difficult. Keep redoing until you get all 3, it'll be worth it If you successfully made this Pyro Jack, then Phoenix is already obsolete You leveled much faster than I expected, and I didn't account for the low rank Sun link when making the Phoenix, so it actually didn't get very strong in the end. Sorry!
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tytytyty
I'm gonna stream tomorrow probably, other things been going on this weekend :p
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Gonna start streaming now. Sorry I haven't been playing very much this weekend but I've been pretty busy.
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did you post this recently...? lol
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Watched some vods, made me want to play this game.
Could you send me some screenshots of what plugins you use and with which settings ? I don't manage fo have the FMV playing without skips
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
Had fun watching this last night. Hope you stream again soon :o
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Lol, I watched the vod of what I missed when I went to sleep from the Sunday night/Monday morning playthrough. Imagine my surprise when there were another 2.5 hours worth of gameplay after I left.
Anyway, I basically have a new persona recipe (almost) ready (It's gonna fix all your SP problems). I was going to wait until the next time you stream to talk about it, but just in case I miss the start or whatever, what you can do is start doing the devil link (the night hospital job) asap. A good achievable goal would be rank 5, but the higher the better. Try to do it every time the link becomes available (Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I think)
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Technically if you want to bore yourself to tears you can attempt to Fusion Forecast a Skill Changed Victory Cry and it'll solve all of your battling issues ever.
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Skill change abuse does make the game a bit too easy, and I have a feeling that's not something Angra wants
I know I'm probably a minority here, but I actually enjoy piecing together a legitimate recipe for a strong persona from scratch, so I wouldn't advocate doing it either.
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I WANT AS MUCH OF A CHALLENGE AS I CAN although not too hard because I'm actually really bad
I'm streaming now :>
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edit: jk, streaming tomorrow :3
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I'm playing it right now, and have to say I'm addicted
Starting the 3rd dungeon, I'm at June 25th, 2011. I fear it's the moment that you're becoming too powerful and the game starts to be too easy, hope it's only temporary.
1st dungeon was average-hard, 2nd was hard, 3rd is average, I passed the first 4 floors on autoattack, which I wasn't able to do at first in the first 2 dungeons.
Perhaps the fusion forecast of June 21st is the source of my "problem" (Bonus S. Link EXP, Bonus stats and random Bonus Recovery skill), spent a couple hours fusing and got a few of nice personae.
Anyway, will play the 3rd after this one, good game. It's remind me of sengoku rance (with a different fighting part) with the links to make grow.
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I think if you're playing it on Normal difficulty and then put in a lot of effort into grinding levels and making really nice personas it's definitely going to feel a lot easier than it should at some parts. I definitely should have done Hard difficulty when I started this playthrough. Normal is only really challenging when you're playing pretty fast through the game and you aren't really grinding at all. Then again, it's the story and feel of the game in general which made me love it to begin with, so I dunno. :p
Also I saw your post above asking for the plugins and stuff I use, do you mean for the PCSX2 emulator? I can give some screenshots for what I have set up.
I'm going to be streaming in just a few minutes here.
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Actually, many people do notice the extreme drop in difficulty after the first two dungeons. It's extremely noticeable for people who have a little experience in persona games and know a little bit on how to fuse personas.
I think it also has to do with having extra party members join you and alleviating the early SP problems. Angra still has a bit of trouble because he spends his SP like it's water from the tap
P3 should be a little different. Dungeons and shadows are overall harder, due to random floor effects, the Reaper, and hard (red) shadows actually being hard. (P4 hard shadows = shadows from a later floor in the same dungeon, P3 hard shadows = shadows from the next segment of the dungeon, which is like facing a shadow from the next dungeon in P4)
I'll tune into the stream a little later tonight
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On September 17 2011 14:23 Angra wrote:
I think if you're playing it on Normal difficulty and then put in a lot of effort into grinding levels and making really nice personas it's definitely going to feel a lot easier than it should at some parts. I definitely should have done Hard difficulty when I started this playthrough. Normal is only really challenging when you're playing pretty fast through the game and you aren't really grinding at all. Then again, it's the story and feel of the game in general which made me love it to begin with, so I dunno. :p
Also I saw your post above asking for the plugins and stuff I use, do you mean for the PCSX2 emulator? I can give some screenshots for what I have set up.
I'm going to be streaming in just a few minutes here.
yep for PCSX2
edit : well, saved after 4th floor yesterday, 5th floor is way more serious, so it's cool <3
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i've been trying to get pcsx2 working for me as well (not necessarily to play this game), but i'm noticing a severe drop in framerate after the start of some games for no reason and my PC should honestly be able to handle it. did you have any problems like this at first? and if i need to experiment with different video settings or plugins, which ones make a difference? thx when you get around to it
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I hated messing around with PCSX2 because most of the time, I really had no idea what I was doing. But yeah, I think that's really all you could do. Change a setting that you think might make a difference, then load up your game and see if you get any different results. Off the top of my head, the video plugins and speedhacks make a pretty big difference. Do note with the speedhacks, it's possible for them to introduce new problems.
I remember spending a couple hours straight messing with the settings before I finally got FFX to run the opening cutscene without it lagging below 50 fps.
That's why I eventually gave up. Unless you have a good reason to play on an emulator (streaming), just play on your PS2, it'll save you a million headaches.
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There's one tab somewhere in the PCSX2 menus that has checkboxes for a few different games that helps with compatibility. From what I understand each game takes different settings depending on what it is.
There's a PCSX2 wiki here that you can use to look up a lot of games, and it gives guidelines for what settings you should be using in general to have each game run smoothly: http://pcsx2.wikia.com/wiki/PCSX2_Wiki
I messed around with some settings after looking at the Persona 4 page on there and it did help a bit.
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; ; damn, my game isnt listed on here. oh well. may just use the ps2, lol.
are you streaming tonight? your alert came on earlier but i havent seen anything
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I won't be tonight, I have a terrible headache. I was just streaming for some vent friends for a few minutes earlier tonight showing them how to play the flash game QWOP, haha.
I feel bad because I haven't been playing much lately, I've had a pretty busy weekend. Hopefully I'll be playing again soon though. I'll try to stream tomorrow night.
Also the best suggestion I can give you then for the emulator is to either try some settings for a game that is listed that might be similar, or just mess around until something works. :p The majority of settings just makes games worse than better usually, unfortunately, haha.
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Do you farm all the dropped components in each dungeon before leaving ? For instance you need 10 of this for unlocking something at the shop, one of this...;usually I go for the new dongeons as soon as they're unlocked then I time my second visit for a rainy day to get the bonus mobs.
But then you get some quests that change the mobs' loots, and after you get the quest the mob will never drop his components again, right ? So if you haven't dropped enough of his previous drop you'll never be able to drop the item again, right ?
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For instance, quest 2 : Acquire a Demon Statue
Can be obtained from Avenger Knight (Yukiko’s Castle, 6-7/F)
So, normally the Avenger drops this :
Bronze Reins
And you need 6 to unlock Metal Jacket in the shop.
But when you take the quest, the avenger drop change from Bronze Reins to Demon Statue. But I'm not sure if once you finish the quest the Avenger will get his old loot back ? If not I'll be forced to farm TT
Because if he doesn't get his old loot back, the Metal Jacket could be lost forever, and I'm a completionist
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I honestly have no idea about that :p I've never really tried to do all the quests, I just did them when they were convenient.
I am streaming now again finally btw!
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edit: spoke too soon lol
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yeah I guess my computer is being retarded and cannot operate in hot conditions :<
ill try streaming again later this weekend.. sorry about that haha
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Concerning my next recipe, since you mentioned it in the 15 min that you did stream
I don't actually have one available right now. I checked my notes and the only one I have is for a level 37 devil arcana, but you either need rank 7 devil link, or access to the next dungeon to grind it to a suitable level. (It needs level 42, which is a bit much for now)
I also had you down for a level 41 recipe for a pretty good electric persona, but apparently, that's from the emperor arcana, and I think you haven't started kanji's s.link yet, soooo when you get to level 45, I can make a recipe for an almost-as-good electric persona in the hierophant arcana (dojima's link)
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you might need to air out your computer, i thought the same thing this summer as you did because whenever i'd run intensive games or multiple streams and programs it would turn on the super loud third fan but i decided to air it out and it's run without a hitch since
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On September 24 2011 13:28 dkpl wrote:
Concerning my next recipe, since you mentioned it in the 15 min that you did stream
I don't actually have one available right now. I checked my notes and the only one I have is for a level 37 devil arcana, but you either need rank 7 devil link, or access to the next dungeon to grind it to a suitable level. (It needs level 42, which is a bit much for now)
I also had you down for a level 41 recipe for a pretty good electric persona, but apparently, that's from the emperor arcana, and I think you haven't started kanji's s.link yet, soooo when you get to level 45, I can make a recipe for an almost-as-good electric persona in the hierophant arcana (dojima's link)
Do you have any formula for me , I'm 62.
By the way, I found the answer to my question : the loot table of the mobs return to normal after you've cleaned their quest So no panic, you can't miss anything.
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By the way, I kept hearing about persona but didn't really want to play it before watching your stream, which decided me.
And I have to thank you for that, it's a very good game.
Usually I have a very hard time to find myself attached to the characters in RPG games. In FF for instance I find some chars funny, but that's it, they're more a caricature than antyhing.
But I'll miss the P4 characters when I'm done with the game. Not sure if that already happened to me in any game.
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On September 26 2011 23:11 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 13:28 dkpl wrote:
Concerning my next recipe, since you mentioned it in the 15 min that you did stream
I don't actually have one available right now. I checked my notes and the only one I have is for a level 37 devil arcana, but you either need rank 7 devil link, or access to the next dungeon to grind it to a suitable level. (It needs level 42, which is a bit much for now)
I also had you down for a level 41 recipe for a pretty good electric persona, but apparently, that's from the emperor arcana, and I think you haven't started kanji's s.link yet, soooo when you get to level 45, I can make a recipe for an almost-as-good electric persona in the hierophant arcana (dojima's link) Do you have any formula for me , I'm 62. By the way, I found the answer to my question : the loot table of the mobs return to normal after you've cleaned their quest So no panic, you can't miss anything.
Mmm, I can't really output anything as detailed as the recipes I've already posted here without knowing some information beforehand. Obviously I can try, but you can help yourself out a lot if you post what personas you are usually using, what you're specifically looking for (if any), and what high rank or max rank s.links you have. Also, what date it currently is in your game.
Without any information to work with, I can give some basic suggestions:
You can get Skadi at level 52, which is a pretty good ice persona from the Empress arcana. It learns Spell Master at level 60, so if you have a very high Empress rank (Margaret), and fuse it on a bonus link exp day, you can get very close without having to lift a finger. The goal here isn't really Skadi, but Spell Master itself, so you can pass it onto a whole bunch of other personas.
If you fuse Pazuzu (level 37 devil), it learns Cool Breeze at level 42, which you can combine with Spell Master with great results. You can pretty much spam medium and high damage spells every battle and never run out of SP. Of course, the trick is getting both skills onto the same persona An alternate choice here is Yatagarasu (level 40 sun) which also learns Cool Breeze at level 46. It just depends on which s.link is higher, but really, at your current dungeon, you can probably manually level up either one to learn the appropriate skill in a couple battles.
At level 63, you can make Siegfried, which I remember being pretty good. If you wait until level 65, you can create Thor, who learns Arms Master, which you can then pass on to Siegfried. That, combined with the Regenerate 3 makes it a really durable physical attacker.
On September 27 2011 00:55 MrCon wrote:
By the way, I kept hearing about persona but didn't really want to play it before watching your stream, which decided me.
And I have to thank you for that, it's a very good game.
Usually I have a very hard time to find myself attacked to the characters in RPG games. In FF for instance I find some chars funny, but that's it, they're more a caricature than antyhing.
But I'll miss the P4 characters when I'm done with the game. Not sure if that already happened to me in any game.
You might wanna give P3 a try after you're done with P4. I think most people who liked one also liked the other. Story is unrelated, but occurs in the same universe. If you do this, make sure you get P3FES and not the plain P3. FES version basically has a lot of added content.
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Thanks for your answer
I am lvl9 margaret, lvl10 with everyone from school/home except the last member 6,I 'm at November 6.
Level 10 devil, hermit, and level 6 tower, 7 temperance, 4 hanged, 5 fortune.
I have Pazuzu and Yatagaratsu, I think I fused them when I was trying to make the Margaret requests, but I never played them so I never heard of the skill cool breeze, must try it !
But I don't have much SP problem, I have a succubus with invigorate 3 and drain SP., so when I need SP I can go to a floor where I have a easy player advantage and I equip succubus and recover +-70SP in 2 turns. I think I have spell master on someone I fused to make space...Yeah, on Garuda.
I'll try to remake all my fusions from links that take a lot of time to start (like death or devil), guess I missed a good amount of skills.
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Which element personas do you need? Here's what I usually have in my playthrough if you need any ideas:
I aim to have one persona focusing on each element. At your level, these persona usually have both element boost + element amp for their respective element, since they stack together for damage boosting. They should also at least have a high-damage single-target spell and a medium-damage multi-target spell (eg. Agidyne and Maragion). And I'm a sucker for nullifying their weaknesses, so I make sure I slap on a skill to do so (should be null element at this point, but resist element works too)
For light and dark spells, I think making a persona that learns both is okay (like White Rider from Death Arcana). Near the end though, I prefer to make Alice and Daisoujou for their Die for me! and Samsara spells, which cannot be inherited in P4. But actually, in my experience, White Rider is very good, and even saves you one persona slot. I just personally really like Alice and Daisoujou
Just for clarity, White Rider learns Hamaon, Mudoon, Mahamaon, Mamudoon, Hama Boost, and Mudo Boost. It's only weakness is fire, so I usually try to put resist or null fire on him.
I also aim to have a triple auto persona, usually with high agility as well. This way, I switch to this persona before every battle, then my main character should get the first turn in combat if I failed to get a surprise attack on the enemy shadow. I'm not certain, but I think at your level, you can even get all three auto-ma skills.
I usually neglect to make a healing persona, since I leave that to Yukiko or item usage (until the very end, when I made Kohryu). For the most part, any persona in your existing line-up that picks up Mediarama is good enough. Once you get to the 70s or 80s, there are plenty of high-end personas that can fit the role of a dedicated healer if you need one.
And finally, I make a nice physical persona near the end as well. Usually Siegfried, but I hear Yoshitsune gets a lot of heralding for being the strongest persona in the game. I usually slap on Apt Pupil and Armsmaster on whatever I choose. With Apt pupil, you get a pretty good chance to score a critical hit with any physical attack. Which means a lot of "Once More"s and stunned enemies with multi-targeting attacks. Armsmaster just lets you spam physical attacks without killing yourself
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry Angra for hijacking your thread But on the plus side, once you start playing again, I can make some recipes for you based on some of the above ideas
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Thanks !
for now I used a sandra and a sarasvati which both had 2 elements attack all.
Now I'm using a little of everything, but I still have each second level hit all elements.
Fusing specialized personas is interesting, but it seems hard and long, I'll have to make a ton of planning for that.
For now I'm using a triple auto persona to initiate battles, allow me to just press triangle and forget unless enemies are immune physical or better. I just started heaven.
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On September 28 2011 19:05 MrCon wrote:
Thanks !
for now I used a sandra and a sarasvati which both had 2 elements attack all.
Now I'm using a little of everything, but I still have each second level hit all elements.
Fusing specialized personas is interesting, but it seems hard and long, I'll have to make a ton of planning for that.
For now I'm using a triple auto persona to initiate battles, allow me to just press triangle and forget unless enemies are immune physical or better. I just started heaven.
ermm, sarasvati, as in the level 17 persona? And I guess you mean andra, the level 20 persona? :/
If this is what you meant, I can think of a couple things wrong with the picture, lol.
First, you should know that your personas level much slower than your character and your allies, it's almost always worth it to replace your existing line-up with higher base-level personas that learn better spells as well.
Second, I assume your strategy is to either hit everything with normal attacks until they die, or hit enemies with their weaknesses (using low-damage multi-target spells), then kill them with all-out attacks? I'm actually left wondering if this is even a viable way to play, it just seems so inefficient, lol.
I must not be getting the complete picture, so mind posting what skills they use, and any reason you stuck with those two? You must have access to some higher level personas too. At your level, there should be personas that have base skills that blow those two completely out of the water. :/
Meanwhile, I guess I'll come up with some basic element-specialized persona recipes.
edit: I'll get to this on Friday night earliest, sorry :/ But meanwhile post more info please, so it doesn't take me forever to guess everything
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Well the sandra and sara I had were the one you cited yes. Just happened that they had all 4 skills so it was easy to clean the battles very fast.
Now I use personas that are around lvl60, but those 2 were very practical for a long time.
Second, I assume your strategy is to either hit everything with normal attacks until they die, or hit enemies with their weaknesses (using low-damage multi-target spells), then kill them with all-out attacks? I'm actually left wondering if this is even a viable way to play, it just seems so inefficient, lol. yeah I do exactly that. Either the mobs are not physical resistant and I just press triangle and end the battle in 2 turns, or they're resistant and I use a hit all spell that hit their weakness and then an all out attack that kill everything.
Not sure how I could do the battle faster than that, but I'm a beginner so perhaps there is something I didn't get =)
It's true that I used those 2 personas for too long, because it was very easy to end the battles quickly, so now they're like level40 haha :D But I don't use them anymore at all, they aren't even in my inventory anymore.
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Yes, what I need to know is what personas you are using NOW, so if I make you some recipes, they would be an upgrade I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol.
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Hey guys, sorry I haven't been streaming lately, but with all the lag while streaming + being busy I just kind of stopped for a bit.
I just tested out the stream again now however, and the lag seems to be completely gone. So I'll be playing again either tonight or tomorrow most likely.
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On September 30 2011 02:26 dkpl wrote:Yes, what I need to know is what personas you are using NOW, so if I make you some recipes, they would be an upgrade I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol.
I made a big fusion session following your advices and make a persona for each element, a persona with a tri auto for starting fight, a persona with good physical skills (I'll try to make a better one later but it's good enough now) and a trumpeter for debilitate/heat riser/cool breeze, here are the screens :
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Most of those could be perfected, but that means refusing all my low level personas to forget bad skills, I'm not sure I'll have the patience to do that.
The good thing is that with those persona I could solo a little and gain a lot of levels for the hero. I didn't think about that earlier, or I would have a better skill than growth 3 on my Saturnus.
By the way, all those fusions made me short on cash for the first time TT I had 1.5M, ended with 300k...
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Just finished this game yesterday, I'm so hyped to watch this!
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On October 03 2011 18:08 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:26 dkpl wrote:Yes, what I need to know is what personas you are using NOW, so if I make you some recipes, they would be an upgrade I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol. I made a big fusion session following your advices and make a persona for each element, a persona with a tri auto for starting fight, a persona with good physical skills (I'll try to make a better one later but it's good enough now) and a trumpeter for debilitate/heat riser/cool breeze, here are the screens : + Show Spoiler +Most of those could be perfected, but that means refusing all my low level personas to forget bad skills, I'm not sure I'll have the patience to do that. The good thing is that with those persona I could solo a little and gain a lot of levels for the hero. I didn't think about that earlier, or I would have a better skill than growth 3 on my Saturnus. By the way, all those fusions made me short on cash for the first time TT I had 1.5M, ended with 300k...
Yeah, okay. Those are pretty awesome lol. Feels a little moot for me to plan anything "better" since your line-up is pretty much end-game already. The only thing I would've done is nullify weaknesses, but you just have to play a little bit smartly and that shouldn't be a problem either.
Kudos on Trumpeter, Odin, and Loki, all 3 I used quite a bit in my own line-up.
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On October 03 2011 19:52 dkpl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 18:08 MrCon wrote:On September 30 2011 02:26 dkpl wrote:Yes, what I need to know is what personas you are using NOW, so if I make you some recipes, they would be an upgrade I wouldn't wanna create a recipe to find out you have a better persona already, lol. I made a big fusion session following your advices and make a persona for each element, a persona with a tri auto for starting fight, a persona with good physical skills (I'll try to make a better one later but it's good enough now) and a trumpeter for debilitate/heat riser/cool breeze, here are the screens : + Show Spoiler +Most of those could be perfected, but that means refusing all my low level personas to forget bad skills, I'm not sure I'll have the patience to do that. The good thing is that with those persona I could solo a little and gain a lot of levels for the hero. I didn't think about that earlier, or I would have a better skill than growth 3 on my Saturnus. By the way, all those fusions made me short on cash for the first time TT I had 1.5M, ended with 300k... Yeah, okay. Those are pretty awesome lol. Feels a little moot for me to plan anything "better" since your line-up is pretty much end-game already. The only thing I would've done is nullify weaknesses, but you just have to play a little bit smartly and that shouldn't be a problem either. Kudos on Trumpeter, Odin, and Loki, all 3 I used quite a bit in my own line-up.
Yeah, the nullify weakness takes a lot of planning to carry the skill. If I do a new game+ I'll perhaps try that, but I'm too eager to try persona 3, and I noticed that this serie has a lot of games, on PS2, on PSP, on DS...now I want to play them all TT
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I started P3 FES, I like it but I think it's better to begin with the 3, it's hard to play it when you're used to the additions of the 4th imo. The social links are not too touching and the team members are flat imo. Well, I just played one month so we'll see, I still like it.
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I should've made a sign that says "Angra plz start streaming again <3" and made her hold it for the photo
Angra where r uuuu
Btw MrCon, I think P3Fes picks up after you get a few more party members. I can see your point about the social links. I also prefer the P4-style of s.links more than P3. The major differences are, no male party member s.links, less s.links available at night, and the s.links themselves are much more unforgiving (You cannot two-time in P3 :O).
But hang in there. Once the story progresses a bit, I think you'll enjoy it a bit more.
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On October 12 2011 14:33 dkpl wrote:I should've made a sign that says "Angra plz start streaming again <3" and made her hold it for the photo Angra where r uuuu Btw MrCon, I think P3Fes picks up after you get a few more party members. I can see your point about the social links. I also prefer the P4-style of s.links more than P3. The major differences are, no male party member s.links, less s.links available at night, and the s.links themselves are much more unforgiving (You cannot two-time in P3 :O). But hang in there. Once the story progresses a bit, I think you'll enjoy it a bit more.
Ha, thanks, that's reassuring.
I have about 70 playdays in P3, and I still don't know why I'm in the game, there is still no story, no goal.
Had I started with P3, I think I would have stopped the game right now and never played the 4th one haha. The social links have nothing special to say until now, and I have multiple ones at 6-8. At least the dungeon part is way harder, that keeps me hooked.
In P4 I was so hooked that I couldn't sleep and the first thing I wanted to do after waking up was to play it xD I wanted to know who was the culprit and all. I loved the characters. I have 30 played hours on P4 and I still don't know the name of my party members haha :D
And then there are all the gameplays changes (shortcut to equip a persona from the menu in P4, in P3 you have to go all the way to the persona to equip it, and you can't know what the skill are doing TT)
I stop here, I give the feeling that I hate the game, which is not the case. Let's say I like the 3 more for the dungeon crawling and grinding. I play it more like a diablo right now ^^
Ah, and there's the fact you don't control your teammates, that they level up so slooooowly (in 30 hours none of my teammates learned a new skill ><), and that they're tired after 10 battles so I have to solo the whole game.
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HEY YUKARI, I AM POISONED, HELP ME OUT HERE
Yukari: Dia!
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Yeah, the A.I. is known to be absolutely horrendous in this game. I got used to depending only on the MC really quickly, so P4 in that regard is much more forgiving. It's also why I got so obsessed with fusion, because making a solid line-up of personas is really what makes or breaks the game. The nice thing is in P3, there's really no random drop in difficulty like in P4 (unless you somehow make the most overpowered personas as you possibly can, I suppose)
That said, I also like playing P3 for the dungeon crawling. When you beat the regular portion of the game, there's also an epilogue of sorts ("The Answer"), which really tests your ability to dungeon crawl and fight bosses. Which I also enjoyed :>
See, this is where if you had a PSP, you'd have a better time. P3P actually fixes some of the problems you mention (Female MC can have s.links with every single party member, and they start much earlier. And you can control party members in battle :O)
Oh here's a little bug you can take advantage of in P3Fes It's up to you if you want to use it.
When approaching shadows from behind, you know you can get a first strike easily because the shadows can't see directly behind them (unlike in P4 -_-). You can force a shadow to turn its back to you by opening your menu, then closing it. The shadow will pause for a second, then decide which way to face. This works better if the shadow is farther away from where it "spawned", so if you do this a couple times and the shadow refuses to turn away from you, just let it walk towards you a couple steps, then try again.
This is actually important, because you're time limited for every floor in P3, especially if you hit those "special" floors, where you only have a minute or two before you-know-who shows up :<
Of course, you don't actually need to do this for every shadow you encounter. There are two regular methods to force a first strike, which is attack a shadow from an elevated area (shadows can't see you if you're on top of stairs, so you get a first strike even if you strike from the front) or attract a shadow, then run far enough away form it so that it loses interest in you. If you return to the shadow, it'll be walking the other way.
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Hey, I just finished the summer vacation (the beach part) and finally the story start. Thanks for the shadow menu tip, I noticed it a few times but didn't knew it worked 100% of the time.
I have a lot of gems and persona enhancing items right now, but I don't dare to use them, is it wise t owait for higher level persona or not ?
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The summer vacation arc is so awesome :D Aigis ftw~
As for the items, I think you can make new stat-enhancing cards with gems, and you can get gems much more easily in the deeper floors of Tartarus. I would just use a couple on personas you know you'll be sticking with for a while. Your higher-leveled persona (like Surt or Odin) would have no problem being overpowered imo
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I tried to put all my magic cards on a lvl30 persona, has 99 magic now and his mabufu (+ ice amp, had it on a skil lchange and transfered it) one shot every monsters haha :D
I won't use it, but I guess you can make that with strength cards too with any persona that has a physical hit all skill.
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Hey, I have a question : does the movie festival has a purpose in P3 FES ? I have all 3 attribute maxed, so I don't care about that.
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I think those were just some extra scenes for FES. If you have s.links with that person, you'll gain some points for the next rank-up as well.
If your attributes are maxed, you might as well do those, but I don't think you'll miss anything major if you don't. I know this is different in P3P but that's a whole 'nother story.
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Ha thanks. Because for like 15 days you're day is taken by cinema and your night is taken by a walk with the dog, but during all of that I could level up hanged man, tower, devil, sun, hierophant...I saved just before all that, and made all the optional events, and they're not especially interesting.
I think I'll reload, max my slinks and only do the movie/walk when it gain points toward a link that need points before leveling up.
Because I looked left and right and it seems you don't have a lot of free time in persona 3, you have like one day extra if you do everything perfectly (and I don't think I did, I just planned the girls so they don't go reverse).
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I never bothered with max s.link runs in my persona gameplays.
Actually, I somehow managed it on the very last day of P4, but I winged the whole thing. The only part of a guide I used was to check my answers for rank-up events. So I'm sure P4 is a whole lot more lenient than P3.
I think at the end of P3, I maxed every link except Empress, which was at rank 2 or 3. But I think I also attended every single movie date (and the Christmas date as well), which are all optional (I think.. Not actually sure for the Christmas date. I know the P4 Christmas event was optional)
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Alright just finished Persona 3 PES too. P4 took me 120 hours, P3 115. Great game despite a bad scenario and average social links. But the dungeon crawling part is more interesting than in P4 IMO, so it makes up for it.
I went for true ending, maxed all slink (the schedule is really tight and way harder than P4), went for all ultimate equipment and accessories (event got the 1% orb of gg haha :D). Was quite surprised at level 99 when all stats get suddenly maxed (you go from like 500HP/300SP at level 98 to 999/999 at 99 ^^)
A good game, now I'll try Nocturne and I intent to try the whole Shin Megami Tensei serie anyway =)
Btw I finally used the very high end persona (I didn't fused them in P4, I stopped with the one I posted screenshots of), and the high level persona are awesome =) Hellel, Satan, Lucifer, Chi-You, Shiva, Metatron, Asura...very nice. I even made an Orpheus Telos (but did not use it, STR against everything but no skill is not very funny)
Even the optional dongeon is easy with those. But I had a good time fusing all that stuff, even if I used none really.
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i wish they'd make an elizabeth themed p5, on the psvita. /notgonnahappen
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