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Since Huk going to EG is obviously a sellout move and evil and EG is horrible and awful and Huk should have stayed loyal to TL, lets list the players who have switched teams due to their success and moved on to other teams!
 ThorZaIN: Did well in TSL, leaves Praetoriani for Mousesports
 NightEnD: Did well in TSL, leaves Praetoriani for FnaticMSI
Praetoriani later disbands as an organization, in large part due to the loss of these two players
NaNiwa: Went from Empire to Dignitas
 Sheth: Went from FXO to Team Liquid
This only after he had went from ROOT to FXO
qxc: Went from ROOT to FXO
HuK: Went from VT Gaming to Millenium Gaming
HuK: After said success with Millenium and his MLG Raleigh 2010 win, goes from Millenium to Team Liquid.
We can go back even earlier, after the success all around, but just after the Team Liquid Invitational in the early/mid beta stages of Starcraft 2, Team Liquid announces that they signed TLO and Jinro
HayprO too, enjoyed success most notably being one of the only players who captured multiple victories in the grueling Zotac EU Cups early in the beta, joins Team Liquid
Everyones favorite GosiTerran aka Major finds success on ladder, joins ROOT Gaming, finds a bit more success and 2 weeks later he joins Sixjax gaming.
DeMusliM performs well on mTw, EG proceeds to buyout his contract.
The point is, with success comes suitors, or maybe even in this case, according to what Kennigit has stated on Twitter, Huk was given permission to search for other options on other teams, and EG's happened to be the one that peaked Huk's interest.
It's not a bad thing, teams offering more money or other contracts and details in contracts isn't a bad thing. A player has success, especially near the end of a contract, he rides that success and joins a bigger team.
Stop bashing EG for signing Huk, Stop bashing Huk for joining EG. What do you expect TL to do? Nazgul's statement was one of the most professional things you could have heard. He wanted to keep Huk, but finances can't always allow that.
People want to call EG the Yankees of SC2 but they're not realizing that TL are still the Red Sox who have the second largest bankroll in MLB anyways.
We as Starcraft 2 fans should be happy that as an eSport we've entered the stage where Free Agency happens and players can be rewarded for great play. A year ago, there were probably not even 20 players who were salaried Starcraft 2 players, and mind you very small salaries relative to a normal 9-5 working human being. Now we can say that the median now, is making what some of the higher salaried players were making a year ago. We're privileged as a Starcraft community to be in that state, when in other games, being a sponsored player means nothing more than travel expenses and that's it.
Enjoy what we have. We are in a fantastic position in eSports to see Huk rise and be rewarded so greatly for his success.
  
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SHETH IS A SELLOUT TOO OMG
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How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
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4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle
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On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis.
Get used to it, its the blog section.
On August 17 2011 09:59 101toss wrote:
SHETH IS A SELLOUT TOO OMG
srsly like omfg total sellout, so is every single player to ever go from non salaried to salaried, or from salaried to more salary. zomfg
Lets go play some 'gief online. I gotta mash out some SPD's out of frustration
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On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
idk, how many 12 year olds are going to whine about reality and how the world works?
I think this is a great move especially considering all parties are on good terms. Sending idra to play with huk / puma opens up the possibility for even more foreigners to go over to korea and producing skill to back up their hype. More foreigner teams in korea is a good thing
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On August 17 2011 10:06 turdburgler wrote:
4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle
How is it any different though? You go from a situation that you're in and move to a situation that is better financially. Every single player I posted on there had that happen to them. You see it in sports as well, why the fuck did Barry Zito take the 126 million dollars that the SF Giants threw at him? Oh, because its more than anyone else fucking offered.
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On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section.
I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs
Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie?
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There's also Sheth going from ROOT to FXO and Qxc going from ROOT to FXO as well. I'm quite sure they left on good terms, though, and for the ability to get funded for lans and such I think.
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On August 17 2011 10:08 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:06 turdburgler wrote:
4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle How is it any different though? You go from a situation that you're in and move to a situation that is better financially. Every single player I posted on there had that happen to them. You see it in sports as well, why the fuck did Barry Zito take the 126 million dollars that the SF Giants threw at him? Oh, because its more than anyone else fucking offered.
because the support you get from your team is different to your wage.
if huk turns down the chance to go to IGN he doesnt get the money back from the plane ticket instead, supporting your player is different to his wage. the cost of the ticket on top of the cost of their wage is based purely on the roi of the event itself otherwise its not worth it.
not supporting major to go to tourneys at all is completely different from wage debates
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Sheth didn't leave FXO for TL.
Even though your underlying point still holds, most of those cases are in no way comparable - especially natural transfers from small teams to teams who can support players going to live events and/or Korea.
Overall these kind of blogs are really not going to make anyone unhappy more happy, so there's really no need to pretend like that's the point of posting it. It's not like all the arguments are some sort of divine wisdom we weren't already aware of from the beginning. There's no need to be patronising.
Also, anger isn't always rational. Deal with it.
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but its team liquid mannnn
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even you yourself, zlasher, joined mlg earlier this year despite berating them for years for championing console fps over pc fps like your baby quake
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On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie?
I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are.
I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism.
If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there.
I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out.
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On August 17 2011 10:16 Antoine wrote:
even you yourself, zlasher, joined mlg earlier this year despite berating them for years for championing console fps over pc fps like your baby quake
lol
On August 17 2011 10:10 Darathor wrote:
There's also Sheth going from ROOT to FXO and Qxc going from ROOT to FXO as well. I'm quite sure they left on good terms, though, and for the ability to get funded for lans and such I think.
Skipped my mind, let me throw that up on the OP
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boxer left skt1 for ace. SELLOUT? lawlz
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On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out.
So you admit that
1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player
2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money
That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is?
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I haven't seen anyone saying that huk is a sell out, honestly. Two blog posts about this though?
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On August 17 2011 10:24 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out. So you admit that 1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player 2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is?
If your definition of selling out is purely non-moral then why are you trying to make an argument? By your definition of selling out, then it is an absolute FACT that he "sold out"
We know that Huk wanted to stay with Liquid, and was willing to take less money, We know that EG offered a lot that TL couldn't have matched at the time. Why run around trying to argue a term that is strictly defined in your case? You can go around trying to convince others that their definition of selling out is different, then be it as it may but that won't stop the blogs that you don't agree with.
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On August 17 2011 10:29 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:24 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out. So you admit that 1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player 2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is? If your definition of selling out is purely non-moral then why are you trying to make an argument? By your definition of selling out, then it is an absolute FACT that he "sold out" We know that Huk wanted to stay with Liquid, and was willing to take less money, We know that EG offered a lot that TL couldn't have matched at the time. Why run around trying to argue a term that is strictly defined in your case? You can go around trying to convince others that their definition of selling out is different, then be it as it may but that won't stop the blogs that you don't agree with.
Nah, my definition of "sell out" is the same as everyone else's. I wasn't the one who assigned "selling out" a negative connotation, that's just the way our culture perceives people who value money and would choose it over other options. And yes, there's a moral judgment in that, but it's subjective and of course it's pointless to argue whether it is more or less moral to value personal financial standing over competitiveness in a video game. If I were a fan of HuK, though, I would totally prefer that he choose the latter and therefore I can understand why there are many who are upset with his choice.
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