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Since Huk going to EG is obviously a sellout move and evil and EG is horrible and awful and Huk should have stayed loyal to TL, lets list the players who have switched teams due to their success and moved on to other teams!
 ThorZaIN: Did well in TSL, leaves Praetoriani for Mousesports
 NightEnD: Did well in TSL, leaves Praetoriani for FnaticMSI
Praetoriani later disbands as an organization, in large part due to the loss of these two players
NaNiwa: Went from Empire to Dignitas
 Sheth: Went from FXO to Team Liquid
This only after he had went from ROOT to FXO
qxc: Went from ROOT to FXO
HuK: Went from VT Gaming to Millenium Gaming
HuK: After said success with Millenium and his MLG Raleigh 2010 win, goes from Millenium to Team Liquid.
We can go back even earlier, after the success all around, but just after the Team Liquid Invitational in the early/mid beta stages of Starcraft 2, Team Liquid announces that they signed TLO and Jinro
HayprO too, enjoyed success most notably being one of the only players who captured multiple victories in the grueling Zotac EU Cups early in the beta, joins Team Liquid
Everyones favorite GosiTerran aka Major finds success on ladder, joins ROOT Gaming, finds a bit more success and 2 weeks later he joins Sixjax gaming.
DeMusliM performs well on mTw, EG proceeds to buyout his contract.
The point is, with success comes suitors, or maybe even in this case, according to what Kennigit has stated on Twitter, Huk was given permission to search for other options on other teams, and EG's happened to be the one that peaked Huk's interest.
It's not a bad thing, teams offering more money or other contracts and details in contracts isn't a bad thing. A player has success, especially near the end of a contract, he rides that success and joins a bigger team.
Stop bashing EG for signing Huk, Stop bashing Huk for joining EG. What do you expect TL to do? Nazgul's statement was one of the most professional things you could have heard. He wanted to keep Huk, but finances can't always allow that.
People want to call EG the Yankees of SC2 but they're not realizing that TL are still the Red Sox who have the second largest bankroll in MLB anyways.
We as Starcraft 2 fans should be happy that as an eSport we've entered the stage where Free Agency happens and players can be rewarded for great play. A year ago, there were probably not even 20 players who were salaried Starcraft 2 players, and mind you very small salaries relative to a normal 9-5 working human being. Now we can say that the median now, is making what some of the higher salaried players were making a year ago. We're privileged as a Starcraft community to be in that state, when in other games, being a sponsored player means nothing more than travel expenses and that's it.
Enjoy what we have. We are in a fantastic position in eSports to see Huk rise and be rewarded so greatly for his success.
  
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SHETH IS A SELLOUT TOO OMG
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How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
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4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle
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On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis.
Get used to it, its the blog section.
On August 17 2011 09:59 101toss wrote:
SHETH IS A SELLOUT TOO OMG
srsly like omfg total sellout, so is every single player to ever go from non salaried to salaried, or from salaried to more salary. zomfg
Lets go play some 'gief online. I gotta mash out some SPD's out of frustration
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On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have?
idk, how many 12 year olds are going to whine about reality and how the world works?
I think this is a great move especially considering all parties are on good terms. Sending idra to play with huk / puma opens up the possibility for even more foreigners to go over to korea and producing skill to back up their hype. More foreigner teams in korea is a good thing
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On August 17 2011 10:06 turdburgler wrote:
4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle
How is it any different though? You go from a situation that you're in and move to a situation that is better financially. Every single player I posted on there had that happen to them. You see it in sports as well, why the fuck did Barry Zito take the 126 million dollars that the SF Giants threw at him? Oh, because its more than anyone else fucking offered.
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On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section.
I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs
Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie?
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There's also Sheth going from ROOT to FXO and Qxc going from ROOT to FXO as well. I'm quite sure they left on good terms, though, and for the ability to get funded for lans and such I think.
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On August 17 2011 10:08 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:06 turdburgler wrote:
4(?) of your examples dont list previous teams so im not sure what if any team jinro was on pre sc2 so thats not moving teams is it
major is completely different because everyone knows hes an absolute boss yet root was giving him no support to go to lans, so thats not really relevent to HUK.
and then 75% of your other exampls involve HUK
i dont even think huk is a sellout but this attempt at defence made me giggle How is it any different though? You go from a situation that you're in and move to a situation that is better financially. Every single player I posted on there had that happen to them. You see it in sports as well, why the fuck did Barry Zito take the 126 million dollars that the SF Giants threw at him? Oh, because its more than anyone else fucking offered.
because the support you get from your team is different to your wage.
if huk turns down the chance to go to IGN he doesnt get the money back from the plane ticket instead, supporting your player is different to his wage. the cost of the ticket on top of the cost of their wage is based purely on the roi of the event itself otherwise its not worth it.
not supporting major to go to tourneys at all is completely different from wage debates
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Sheth didn't leave FXO for TL.
Even though your underlying point still holds, most of those cases are in no way comparable - especially natural transfers from small teams to teams who can support players going to live events and/or Korea.
Overall these kind of blogs are really not going to make anyone unhappy more happy, so there's really no need to pretend like that's the point of posting it. It's not like all the arguments are some sort of divine wisdom we weren't already aware of from the beginning. There's no need to be patronising.
Also, anger isn't always rational. Deal with it.
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but its team liquid mannnn
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even you yourself, zlasher, joined mlg earlier this year despite berating them for years for championing console fps over pc fps like your baby quake
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On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie?
I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are.
I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism.
If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there.
I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out.
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On August 17 2011 10:16 Antoine wrote:
even you yourself, zlasher, joined mlg earlier this year despite berating them for years for championing console fps over pc fps like your baby quake
lol
On August 17 2011 10:10 Darathor wrote:
There's also Sheth going from ROOT to FXO and Qxc going from ROOT to FXO as well. I'm quite sure they left on good terms, though, and for the ability to get funded for lans and such I think.
Skipped my mind, let me throw that up on the OP
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boxer left skt1 for ace. SELLOUT? lawlz
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On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out.
So you admit that
1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player
2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money
That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is?
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I haven't seen anyone saying that huk is a sell out, honestly. Two blog posts about this though?
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On August 17 2011 10:24 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out. So you admit that 1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player 2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is?
If your definition of selling out is purely non-moral then why are you trying to make an argument? By your definition of selling out, then it is an absolute FACT that he "sold out"
We know that Huk wanted to stay with Liquid, and was willing to take less money, We know that EG offered a lot that TL couldn't have matched at the time. Why run around trying to argue a term that is strictly defined in your case? You can go around trying to convince others that their definition of selling out is different, then be it as it may but that won't stop the blogs that you don't agree with.
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On August 17 2011 10:29 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:24 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:16 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:10 Kraznaya wrote:On August 17 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On August 17 2011 10:03 Kraznaya wrote:
How many blog posts defending EG/HuK with a bunch of strawmen are we going to have? How many negative ass posts are you going to make in the blogs on a day to day basis. Get used to it, its the blog section. I'll keep making negative posts as long as people making terrible blogs Congratulations, you took the most irrational criticisms to the EGHuK signing and made a blog attacking them, while not addressing valid reasons why the signing could possibly be negative for HuK due to flaws in the EG organization (lack of infrastructure in Korea, lack of a full roster of good players to practice in house, lack of a real coach). Do you want a cookie? I never once stated or thought that the move as a player, is a beneficial one for Huk, because I couldn't really care less about the state of SC2's games. I'm not a fanboy of any of the players, I'm a can of competition and esports. Regardless of how Huk performs the highest level of SC2 is still the highest level of SC2 and I will see those games no matter what the name of the players in the games are. I'm attacking exactly what I am aiming to attack, You on the other hand find some need to attack something that you think is a holy grail of esports criticism. If you want my opinion on what YOU think is the most important problem of this signing, then yes I agree, obviously leaving TL might not be the best decision as a player, but guess what, the best players will have a 7 or 8 year long career playing at the highest level. You have 7-8 years to cash in and if you get an offer that, as Nazgul stated is a life-altering amount of money then you take it while its there. I'm not here to argue your arguements Kraznaya, I pointed out what I wanted to point out. So you admit that 1) HuK is going to a situation not as conducive for his development as a player 2) HuK did it mainly because they gave him a fuckton of money That sounds like "selling out" to me. What's wrong with calling something what it is? If your definition of selling out is purely non-moral then why are you trying to make an argument? By your definition of selling out, then it is an absolute FACT that he "sold out" We know that Huk wanted to stay with Liquid, and was willing to take less money, We know that EG offered a lot that TL couldn't have matched at the time. Why run around trying to argue a term that is strictly defined in your case? You can go around trying to convince others that their definition of selling out is different, then be it as it may but that won't stop the blogs that you don't agree with.
Nah, my definition of "sell out" is the same as everyone else's. I wasn't the one who assigned "selling out" a negative connotation, that's just the way our culture perceives people who value money and would choose it over other options. And yes, there's a moral judgment in that, but it's subjective and of course it's pointless to argue whether it is more or less moral to value personal financial standing over competitiveness in a video game. If I were a fan of HuK, though, I would totally prefer that he choose the latter and therefore I can understand why there are many who are upset with his choice.
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I'd really quite appreciate it if people stopped telling me who and what to be mad at. I'm a fan of a team. One of my favorite players on that team left that team for another team.
I'm not happy about it.
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On August 17 2011 10:38 Complete wrote:
I'd really quite appreciate it if people stopped telling me who and what to be mad at. I'm a fan of a team. One of my favorite players on that team left that team for another team.
I'm not happy about it.
Don't worry. Mini-Bisu will step up to the plate.
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inflowMinigun was the carrier of inflow, one of the strongest team on NA sever after the game released. After Root acquired minigun, inflow was left 4 dead. The team disbanded with the manager giving up his will and dumbing himself for month in LoL before come back to just few months ago. Old member of inflow still can be found on GM and high master list of NA sever until today.
By now, not half of teamliquid even remember the name of inflow.
Also to clarify, Sheth is FXO -> free agent -> TL, not FXO -> TL. He left FXO by himself and then personally approached TL as well as other teams for their interest.
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Well all of ROOT moved in the end, long as we're listing.
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I been working on a similar list, but specifically for korean <-> foreigner trades:
PD_TRADE_LIST
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Thanks Prima and Zlasher for compiling all the info. Not too interested in the "debates" that are going on but tracing the lineage of ESPORTS player swaps is pretty interesting. HuK has a very diverse history and I think he moves to what he believes will truly make him the best player.
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Why are there no TLPD entry for any chinese teams like WE, iG, etc? @.@
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well iG isn't really a SC2 team. and WE has never done much other than Loner qualifying in the very earliest parts of the GSL.
And yeah shindigs I mean, if we just want to compile a list of players who have moved from team to team theres plenty to be had from the old beta teams like early ROOT, vT gaming in its early stages was a platform for Painuser and Huk, and other of the smaller teams that have been absorbed by pro orgs like inflow, ONE, whatever checksix's team was named before they went to check six, etc.
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We need to go deeper.
Naniwa was only on Empire for two months. Most of his major accomplishments and development as a player has happen under the dignitas umbrella. If he left dignitas after a year for more money, I think it would be huge news as Huk.
Sheth and FXO mutually parted on amicable terms. Moreover, Sheth approached Team Liquid after he left FXO. Team Liquid didn't approach him at all while he was on FXO.
Huk was with Millenium for only two months. He s also on VT for only a couple months.
Moreover, the players whoyouve listed isn't comparable to Huk when it comes to the time, resources, monetary, emotional investment that Team Liquid has provided. It's a disservice to Team Liquid fans that you are trying to make a false equivalency.
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Ah ZSlasher, so much <3 for you. Most people don't know that HuK started with us during the beta on VT.
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I realize you mean well (or at least hope so), but these threads are devouring the blog section. Is there any reason these threads aren't consolidated (or any reason as to why the people posting them do not just post their thoughts in the other threads)?
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On August 18 2011 03:05 VTArlock wrote:
Ah ZSlasher, so much <3 for you. Most people don't know that HuK started with us during the beta on VT.
Is it that difficult to spell my name lol I still don't see why people write it with ZS
Anyways yeah, HuK and Painuser I vehemently remember on VT, as well as names like moo and others that have since stopped playing.
ROOT VT and EG were pretty much the top 3 NA teams in early beta, ROOT had like Joseki, Kiwikaki, Catz, drewbie, cauthonluck, qxc, sheth (the latter 3 were considered 3 of the best in the world at the time).
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off, as he become our current greatest foreigner, one of few who can compete with every top Korean. In addition, TL is a vastly different team than most others teams, as TL is what this current scene is built upon, a team that belongs to us all and players who can represent our community to everyone, everywhere. I think a lot of us got emotional over the news post, and that just examplifies how different this situation is to what you are posting in the OP.
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Think this was a reddit post, but a good one
Liquid was the rock upon which the foreign SC:BW community has been built. Other sites and other teams have come and gone, but for as long as I can remember, TeamLiquid.net has always been the lifeblood of the SC community - most importantly during a time where foreign SC:BW was not given any money or attention at all.
Fast forward X years later. ESPORTS is making huge headway with SC2 (not to mention the oodles of dollars being thrown around by Riot and Valve for the MOBA genre). Things seem to be really picking up with GSL, GTSL, MLG, IEM, Assembly, Dreamhack - the list of major tournaments goes on. Team Liquid is still the team championed by the community and old-school players in general.
Now, all of a sudden, a team with more money than TL can possibly hope to have swoops in and offers a TL player a deal they can't pass up. Both teams have agreed that the proceedings have been fair and forthright (though TL doesn't like the fact that they can't match the offer). Why is there such a huge backlash?
Because it means that the scene is growing faster than the community can keep up with. ESPORTS is cyclical - look up EdwardStarcraft's great interview with Jason Lake from Complexity and listen to his story about CPL and the fallout from the collapse of a huge league. Whenever a lot of money gets dumped into the industry, it attracts businessmen who don't necessarily respect the community and who care more about ROI than the game.
This is not to say that EG are these businessmen. Clearly, SirScoots is one of the most passionate ESPORTS fans you'll ever meet. But the idea that TL, the living embodiment of the BW/SC2 community, no longer has a firm grip on their top talent...it's scary.
It means it's time for ESPORTS to sink or swim, and we have no control over it.
Now I also messaged huk to tell him that he made the right choice, because he did. But I'm also happy that people have very strong opinions about this, that people get upset by it and that he can lose fans. Which is why we were tolerant with our moderation. Because THAT shows how the scene is progressing: fans being emotional because they care, fans showing irrationality. If we all just looked at this in a rational way, if everyone could do that, then we'd have a crap scene which noone cared about.
Nothing really compares to this, not even Grubby and Moon moving to MYM. The only thing that seems similar to me is the original SK-gaming CS squad who built SK gaming. But they left for damn good reasons, because SK is a shit company. TL is an AWESOME company and an awesome community.
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You gotta substantiate how this "risk" is significantly greater to differentiate this from the risk taken on by any team that acquires a player.
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_-
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Beyonder
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Because TL's team is something totally different, its a selection of the best members in the community, not only playwise, but also regarding behaviour and presentation. TL is the community's team to a large extent, approachable, likeable. And I particularly like the first few sentences of that post.
Huk was a risk, both in skill and in personality. He was an ex 4 gater with a bad reputation... And by recruiting him in TL and sending him to Korea, it could either work very well or lead to utter destruction and many problems. Problems with the TL team do not only reflect on the team, but also on the site and on its community. Nazgul has a keen eye for talent and he was right. And the OP's comparisons are totally silly.
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o.o I don't think I was necessarily arguing against what you've stated Beyonder, my point was just that people need to stop bitching about how EG is fucking evil or that Huk is a sellout due to a business decision. EG entering the bidding for a top player is a good thing, and huk joining a team that offers him more in one sense, in everything having to do with the move OTHER than starcraft 2, it is a good thing that is growing the game.
In a business sense it is a good thing, and players move from team to team all the time.
I'm not saying Huk going from TL to EG is the exact same as any of the other moves, they're not comparisons, they're points that players move from team to team and it needs to be accepted. If you read the actual words of the post you'll see that my point is
1) With success comes suitors
2) It's not a bad thing
3) EG is not evil for doing this
4) We should be happy that OUR community within esports is having free agency reaching THIS stage.
5) The final sentence "Enjoy what we have. We are in a fantastic position in eSports to see Huk rise and be rewarded so greatly for his success"
I'm not denying that Nazgul has a keen eye for talent, although lets be honest he's not perfect either in that regards. But you're bashing my post due to something that was not my intent.
It's not meant to compare Huk directly with the others, its meant to just show point #1, with success comes suitors, and that in turn, becomes point #2, its not a bad thing, which leads to point #4, we should be happy about free agency reaching THIS state and NOT having everyone permanently sticking with one team (some players doing this is always going to happen, look at baseball football basketball whatever you want, free agency is SUPPOSED to look like this)
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What teams were TLO and Jinro even on? TLO was ipsRadio or something afaik, and Jinro was just That Moderator Guy.
And it's not like waves of dislike are anything new, before it was NASL and now it's SC2con. With a 600+ page hype thread it was only to be expected.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Because you said that to incite rational reactions from people. My point. although poorly explained, was to try to show you why the better ESPORTS thing here is people not acting rational.
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On August 18 2011 18:40 Beyonder wrote:
Because you said that to incite rational reactions from people. My point. although poorly explained, was to try to show you why the better ESPORTS thing here is people not acting rational.
Touche good sir 
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On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote:
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off.
i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too.
On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote:
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_-
are you saying they arent? 
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On August 18 2011 21:15 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote:
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off. i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote:
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_- are you saying they arent?
I didn't realise TL got money out of the deal as well? I know EG bought up the remainder of Huk's contract but seeing as it was only a month left it couldn't have been that much. Are you saying they paid more on top of that as well?
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On August 18 2011 22:00 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 21:15 turdburgler wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote:
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off. i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too. On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote:
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_- are you saying they arent? I didn't realise TL got money out of the deal as well? I know EG bought up the remainder of Huk's contract but seeing as it was only a month left it couldn't have been that much. Are you saying they paid more on top of that as well?
from what ive read it sounds as if Huk wanted to move before his contract finished to EG would be forced to pay liquid for the contract rather than just becoming a free agent and moving teams
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On August 18 2011 22:03 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 22:00 deconduo wrote:On August 18 2011 21:15 turdburgler wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote:
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off. i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too. On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote:
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_- are you saying they arent? I didn't realise TL got money out of the deal as well? I know EG bought up the remainder of Huk's contract but seeing as it was only a month left it couldn't have been that much. Are you saying they paid more on top of that as well? from what ive read it sounds as if Huk wanted to move before his contract finished to EG would be forced to pay liquid for the contract rather than just becoming a free agent and moving teams
It seems quite a leap to go from 'EG bought up the remainder of the contract' to 'TL made a huge profit on what they spent on HuK' if you don't have a source with accurate figures. Keep in mind that TL would have spent quite a large amount of money on flights, accommodation, food and many other things in the last year.
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