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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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babylon
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On August 17 2011 10:38 Complete wrote: I'd really quite appreciate it if people stopped telling me who and what to be mad at. I'm a fan of a team. One of my favorite players on that team left that team for another team. I'm not happy about it. Don't worry. Mini-Bisu will step up to the plate. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
By now, not half of teamliquid even remember the name of inflow. Also to clarify, Sheth is FXO -> free agent -> TL, not FXO -> TL. He left FXO by himself and then personally approached TL as well as other teams for their interest. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
Individual Players  CheckPrime to eSahara ZeniooGs to Team Liquid  YongZeNEX to Vile Gaming Sickness ZeNEX to Team AZK InoriFXO to ReIGN  LynFOX to Pandarea FenixFnaticMSI to IM VioletMVP to AZK HwangSinMVP to GoSu ArtistfOu to Reign Tandongho ZeNEX to Dignitas HerOoGs to Team Liquid Rain TSL to FnaticMSI AugustStarTale to FnaticMSI PuMa TSL to Evil Geniuses NaDa, MCoGs sharing with SK Full Team
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
And yeah shindigs I mean, if we just want to compile a list of players who have moved from team to team theres plenty to be had from the old beta teams like early ROOT, vT gaming in its early stages was a platform for Painuser and Huk, and other of the smaller teams that have been absorbed by pro orgs like inflow, ONE, whatever checksix's team was named before they went to check six, etc. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
Naniwa was only on Empire for two months. Most of his major accomplishments and development as a player has happen under the dignitas umbrella. If he left dignitas after a year for more money, I think it would be huge news as Huk. Sheth and FXO mutually parted on amicable terms. Moreover, Sheth approached Team Liquid after he left FXO. Team Liquid didn't approach him at all while he was on FXO. Huk was with Millenium for only two months. He s also on VT for only a couple months. Moreover, the players whoyouve listed isn't comparable to Huk when it comes to the time, resources, monetary, emotional investment that Team Liquid has provided. It's a disservice to Team Liquid fans that you are trying to make a false equivalency. | ||
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VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On August 18 2011 03:05 VTArlock wrote: Ah ZSlasher, so much <3 for you. Most people don't know that HuK started with us during the beta on VT. Is it that difficult to spell my name lol I still don't see why people write it with ZS Anyways yeah, HuK and Painuser I vehemently remember on VT, as well as names like moo and others that have since stopped playing. ROOT VT and EG were pretty much the top 3 NA teams in early beta, ROOT had like Joseki, Kiwikaki, Catz, drewbie, cauthonluck, qxc, sheth (the latter 3 were considered 3 of the best in the world at the time). | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Think this was a reddit post, but a good one Liquid was the rock upon which the foreign SC:BW community has been built. Other sites and other teams have come and gone, but for as long as I can remember, TeamLiquid.net has always been the lifeblood of the SC community - most importantly during a time where foreign SC:BW was not given any money or attention at all. Fast forward X years later. ESPORTS is making huge headway with SC2 (not to mention the oodles of dollars being thrown around by Riot and Valve for the MOBA genre). Things seem to be really picking up with GSL, GTSL, MLG, IEM, Assembly, Dreamhack - the list of major tournaments goes on. Team Liquid is still the team championed by the community and old-school players in general. Now, all of a sudden, a team with more money than TL can possibly hope to have swoops in and offers a TL player a deal they can't pass up. Both teams have agreed that the proceedings have been fair and forthright (though TL doesn't like the fact that they can't match the offer). Why is there such a huge backlash? Because it means that the scene is growing faster than the community can keep up with. ESPORTS is cyclical - look up EdwardStarcraft's great interview with Jason Lake from Complexity and listen to his story about CPL and the fallout from the collapse of a huge league. Whenever a lot of money gets dumped into the industry, it attracts businessmen who don't necessarily respect the community and who care more about ROI than the game. This is not to say that EG are these businessmen. Clearly, SirScoots is one of the most passionate ESPORTS fans you'll ever meet. But the idea that TL, the living embodiment of the BW/SC2 community, no longer has a firm grip on their top talent...it's scary. It means it's time for ESPORTS to sink or swim, and we have no control over it. Now I also messaged huk to tell him that he made the right choice, because he did. But I'm also happy that people have very strong opinions about this, that people get upset by it and that he can lose fans. Which is why we were tolerant with our moderation. Because THAT shows how the scene is progressing: fans being emotional because they care, fans showing irrationality. If we all just looked at this in a rational way, if everyone could do that, then we'd have a crap scene which noone cared about. Nothing really compares to this, not even Grubby and Moon moving to MYM. The only thing that seems similar to me is the original SK-gaming CS squad who built SK gaming. But they left for damn good reasons, because SK is a shit company. TL is an AWESOME company and an awesome community. | ||
Waxangel
United States33707 Posts
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_- | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Huk was a risk, both in skill and in personality. He was an ex 4 gater with a bad reputation... And by recruiting him in TL and sending him to Korea, it could either work very well or lead to utter destruction and many problems. Problems with the TL team do not only reflect on the team, but also on the site and on its community. Nazgul has a keen eye for talent and he was right. And the OP's comparisons are totally silly. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
In a business sense it is a good thing, and players move from team to team all the time. I'm not saying Huk going from TL to EG is the exact same as any of the other moves, they're not comparisons, they're points that players move from team to team and it needs to be accepted. If you read the actual words of the post you'll see that my point is 1) With success comes suitors 2) It's not a bad thing 3) EG is not evil for doing this 4) We should be happy that OUR community within esports is having free agency reaching THIS stage. 5) The final sentence "Enjoy what we have. We are in a fantastic position in eSports to see Huk rise and be rewarded so greatly for his success" I'm not denying that Nazgul has a keen eye for talent, although lets be honest he's not perfect either in that regards. But you're bashing my post due to something that was not my intent. It's not meant to compare Huk directly with the others, its meant to just show point #1, with success comes suitors, and that in turn, becomes point #2, its not a bad thing, which leads to point #4, we should be happy about free agency reaching THIS state and NOT having everyone permanently sticking with one team (some players doing this is always going to happen, look at baseball football basketball whatever you want, free agency is SUPPOSED to look like this) | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
And it's not like waves of dislike are anything new, before it was NASL and now it's SC2con. With a 600+ page hype thread it was only to be expected. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On August 18 2011 18:40 Beyonder wrote: Because you said that to incite rational reactions from people. My point. although poorly explained, was to try to show you why the better ESPORTS thing here is people not acting rational. Touche good sir  | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote: Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off. i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too. On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote: And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_- are you saying they arent?  | ||
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