• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:29
CEST 12:29
KST 19:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Unyielding3Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)17[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Rejuvenation8
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025)2$1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]4Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #66Weekly Cups (April 28-May 4): ByuN & Astrea break through1Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game29
StarCraft 2
General
5Technique Use to Coinbase Customer Service Number Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025) How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group A INu's Battles#12 < ByuN vs herO > [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B GSL 2025 details announced - 2 seasons pre-EWC 2025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)
Strategy
[G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise Mutation # 469 Frostbite
Brood War
General
OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator Does Sage Have 24 hour Support [G] GenAI subtitles for Korean BW content BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] $1000 Spring is Here! [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey Surprisingly good films/Hidden Gems
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Logitech mx518 cleaning.
TL Community
BLinD-RawR 50K Post Watch Party The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
What High-Performing Teams (…
TrAiDoS
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Test Entry for subject
xumakis
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10602 users

Pronouncing "XiGua"

Blogs > Kraznaya
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 08:28:39
August 16 2011 08:14 GMT
#1
I'M NOT A LINGUIST IF ANYONE CAN SUM THIS UP BETTER PLEASE DO SO AND I WILL EDIT TO OP

So, ever since winning G-League, XiGua's name has been popping up a lot in discussions and casts, and he's widely known as China's best Zerg player in SC2. Of course, being a Chinese name, XiGua can be pretty fucking hard for westerners to pronounce, and I really don't enjoy it when his name is mutilated by people attempting to talk about "Zeegoah." This is a quick and dirty pronunciation guide.

Obviously, it's pretty fucking hard to approximate tones foreign to English on text for readers attempting to read words in anglicized tones, so for most people I advise just using the simplest pronunciation for his name possible, Watermelon. Yep, that's what his name means in Chinese. Wasn't that easy? :p

DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS: LISTEN THIS INSTEAD:

http://translate.google.com/#en|zh-CN|watermelon

For those who actually want to attempt the Chinese pronunciation, it's something approximately close to the "shee" in "banshee," rising in tone, and "gwah."

But wait, why don't the Chinese just write it as Sheegwah and save English speakers a lot of trouble? Well, Pinyin is an Romanization, not an Anglicization. Its rules don't conform at all with English pronunciation, because English is only one of many languages using the Roman alphabet.

[image loading]

****
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 16 2011 08:19 GMT
#2
what a bad blog

you pronounce it 西瓜, not "xigua" or "shee gwah"
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
August 16 2011 08:19 GMT
#3
Reading this blog reminds me of how curious I was about the correct pronunciation of "XiaOzl". How would that be pronounced anyway ?
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 16 2011 08:21 GMT
#4
On August 16 2011 17:19 SarR wrote:
Reading this blog reminds me of how curious I was about the correct pronunciation of "XiaOzl". How would that be pronounced anyway ?


its pronounced 小子
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 16 2011 08:25 GMT
#5
Alright so, I've been informed that Google translate will actually read words out loud for you. This makes things a lot easier.

Xigua: http://translate.google.com/#en|zh-CN|watermelon
Xiaozi: http://translate.google.com/#zh-CN|en|小子
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 16 2011 08:37 GMT
#6
I'm Chinese. It's pronounced See (monotone) - Guu-ah (monotone)
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 16 2011 08:40 GMT
#7
On August 16 2011 17:37 saritenite wrote:
I'm Chinese. It's pronounced See (monotone) - Guu-ah (monotone)


Sh sounds -> s tends to be a Southern Chinese variation from what I've heard, and isn't standard Mandarin.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
The_LiNk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada863 Posts
August 16 2011 08:41 GMT
#8
Foreigners will still pronounce it wrong because they don't know tones.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 16 2011 08:54 GMT
#9
It's see guu-wah. All chinese characters are 1 syllable mind you
im deaf
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
August 16 2011 08:59 GMT
#10
I find it mostly being Americans acting as ignorant as they usually are who can not pronounce Asian names/words. If you would all move to Sweden instead of US you would be able to keep your Chinese names instead of changing to something Western just because people can't pronounce your real name. :-D
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 16 2011 09:07 GMT
#11
On August 16 2011 17:40 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 17:37 saritenite wrote:
I'm Chinese. It's pronounced See (monotone) - Guu-ah (monotone)


Sh sounds -> s tends to be a Southern Chinese variation from what I've heard, and isn't standard Mandarin.


Both work and both are standard. Different accents from different dialect backgrounds, but both are accepted as standard. But foreigners will have an easier time saying "see" rather than "shee".
MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
August 16 2011 09:09 GMT
#12
How about English speakers writing stuff like it is pronounced? We wouldn't have all those threads if you used the latin alphabet properly like (almost) everyone else
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 16 2011 09:17 GMT
#13
OP is wrong, neither the xi nor the gua in xigua is rising in tone, they're both pronounced with a high, flat tone.

On August 16 2011 18:09 MaGariShun wrote:
How about English speakers writing stuff like it is pronounced? We wouldn't have all those threads if you used the latin alphabet properly like (almost) everyone else

even disregarding the fact that xigua is about as proper a spelling as it gets (minus the tones), you can't write out how they're pronounced using the latin alphabet because the latin alphabet doesn't contain all the sounds a person is able to make.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 16 2011 09:19 GMT
#14
5/5 for DISREGARD THIS I SUCK COCKS. Either you've reached the acceptance stage or your funny.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Giwoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 09:22:14
August 16 2011 09:21 GMT
#15
best blog
its like a 2/10 thread though on /b/ -.-

+2 if you put in butthurt in every sentence
BUTTHURT?
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
August 16 2011 09:28 GMT
#16
OP is right, its a romanization, we swedes never have any trouble pronouncing it like its written. Seeing the anglified version of hangul makes me wanna puke since it is so off
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
August 16 2011 09:43 GMT
#17
5/5 for admitting to sucking phallic groin growth :3
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
August 16 2011 11:29 GMT
#18
On August 16 2011 18:09 MaGariShun wrote:
How about English speakers writing stuff like it is pronounced? We wouldn't have all those threads if you used the latin alphabet properly like (almost) everyone else


The latin alphabet? You don't really know how languages work, do you... Posting everything in the international phonetic alphabet, sure, that might work, but almost nobody knows it, and I'm not sure your average internet forum can handle all the diacritics needed for a tonal language.
conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 11:49:22
August 16 2011 11:48 GMT
#19
On August 16 2011 17:19 rauk wrote:
what a bad blog

you pronounce it 西瓜, not "xigua" or "shee gwah"

Saying that something is pronounced "西瓜" makes no sense, since the characters don't denote anything about pronunciation. In fact, there are several different correct pronunciations of 西瓜, as all Chinese dialects (really they are different enough to be separate languages) use the same characters. Romanization systems work by assigning a Roman letter or letters to each sound in the Romanized language. Therefore xīguā is a perfectly correct representation of how watermelon is pronounced in Mandarin Chinese, if you understand pinyin.

On August 16 2011 18:09 MaGariShun wrote:
How about English speakers writing stuff like it is pronounced? We wouldn't have all those threads if you used the latin alphabet properly like (almost) everyone else

Ignoring the implication that there is a proper way to use the Roman alphabet, the eccentricities of English spelling have nothing to do with why people don't intuitively understand how XiGua should be pronounced. The issue is that Romanization systems require some degree of training to fully understand. This is because, as I stated above, Roman letters are assigned sounds from the language being Romanized that don't necessarily correspond perfectly to their usual pronunciation. For example,"c" in pinyin sounds more like "ts," and I believe in other Romanization systems that sound is Romanized as "ts." Pinyin is by far the most common Romanization system for Mandarin though.

On August 16 2011 17:59 Sorkoas wrote:
I find it mostly being Americans acting as ignorant as they usually are who can not pronounce Asian names/words. If you would all move to Sweden instead of US you would be able to keep your Chinese names instead of changing to something Western just because people can't pronounce your real name. :-D

Don't be hatin on Americans. People of any nationality will have difficulty pronouncing names from languages they don't speak that use a very different set of sounds. A lot of people I know from China do use their Chinese name in the US. Of course that's just personal experience; I don't have the statistical information to make any broader generalizations about what proportion of Chinese don't use their Chinese names in the US or what their reasons are.
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
August 16 2011 12:26 GMT
#20
On August 16 2011 18:07 saritenite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 17:40 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 16 2011 17:37 saritenite wrote:
I'm Chinese. It's pronounced See (monotone) - Guu-ah (monotone)


Sh sounds -> s tends to be a Southern Chinese variation from what I've heard, and isn't standard Mandarin.


Both work and both are standard. Different accents from different dialect backgrounds, but both are accepted as standard. But foreigners will have an easier time saying "see" rather than "shee".


What? Mandarin is the official dialect for mainland China and even Taiwan uses a variation of Mandarin (they call it Taiwanese). The "X" letter is pronounced "sh" in Mandarin. This is the standard and correct pronunciation, period.

Maybe it's pronounced "s" in Singapore but that doesn't make it standard; it's simply a deviation used by a geographically isolated population. To compare to the English language, you wouldn't call pronouncing the word "nine" in the southern drawl as "naaahhne" as standard, it's a deviation.
Logic is Overrated
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 46
CranKy Ducklings42
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 21379
Bisu 2463
Shuttle 848
Pusan 608
Flash 591
actioN 372
BeSt 359
PianO 355
TY 259
Mini 234
[ Show more ]
Snow 155
Leta 105
ToSsGirL 58
NotJumperer 58
Shinee 56
sSak 44
Backho 41
Liquid`Ret 39
Mind 36
Aegong 27
Sharp 26
sorry 20
Barracks 17
Shine 16
yabsab 12
Sacsri 7
Movie 4
soO 3
Dota 2
XcaliburYe839
XaKoH 665
420jenkins573
League of Legends
JimRising 423
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2869
shoxiejesuss818
byalli278
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King121
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor210
Other Games
gofns24226
singsing941
ceh9851
crisheroes223
DeMusliM156
SortOf123
Lowko44
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv160
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 23
• Dystopia_ 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2215
League of Legends
• Stunt716
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
32m
herO vs ByuN
Online Event
17h 32m
ShoWTimE vs MaxPax
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs Cure
SHIN vs Clem
ShoWTimE vs SHIN
SOOP
22h 32m
DongRaeGu vs sOs
CranKy Ducklings
23h 32m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
SC Evo League
1d 1h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
Chat StarLeague
1d 5h
PassionCraft
1d 6h
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 7h
[ Show More ]
Online Event
1d 17h
MaxPax vs herO
SHIN vs Cure
Clem vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs herO
ShoWTimE vs Clem
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Chat StarLeague
2 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Light
Wardi Open
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Soulkey
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
4 days
ByuN vs Rogue
herO vs Cure
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Classic vs Reynor
GuMiho vs Maru
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

FGSL Season 1
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
StarCastTV Star League 4
JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSLPRO Spring 2025
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.