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Fish in a Pond, Fish in a Lake, Fish in the Ocean

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Shiverfish
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada95 Posts
July 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#1
First I want to say to the number of posters demeaning, trivializing and dismissing the girl blogs that have been popping up in this forum: please stop. Let the bloggers express whatever they wish to – it is the blog subforum after all. People will be prone to discuss things that are important to them, and it very naturally happens that relationships are an important part of many peoples lives. In many cases it is less convenient to discuss these matters in person because they may wish to hide their inclinations towards familiar parties, so they do it on the internet. Think of it as gossip and discussion. We may laugh and tease at the petty girly activities, but it is the male stereotype that prevents men from talking about their emotions when there really should be no shame in doing so. People sharing advice and insight to others seeking it and perhaps instilling confidence is a worthwhile cause. As commonly stated, if you are still against girl blogs, simply don’t click and don’t read. There does seem to be an influx of girl blogs recently here (for whatever reason), and I for one enjoy reading them.

With that out of the way I move on.

Some time ago I came across this very interesting paper, “Searching for the Next Best Mate”, available as a pdf here: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.72.7159&rep=rep1&type=pdf or you can Google the title and look at a quick view or something if you don’t want to download it, it’s a small file anyway. I found it very intriguing – an academic article that mixes relationships, research, math riddles, and optimization. As a quick summary to its content, the paper talks about the optimal number of people one should “date” or become familiar with before settling on a long term relationship. I recommend you take a look if you are interested.

Regardless of that paper, I had always noticed the very limited exposure to girls (from this point on I will assume my audience is a straight male) that we get before we settle for a long term relationship. With the norms of modern society, getting to know people is not a simple task. Typical places to meet new people are limited to things such as school, hobbies, clubs, shared activities, and work. The listed examples are not instances where the other people are even necessarily interested in meeting you. They have a primary purpose to serve and becoming acquianted with others is just a convenient bonus.

That said there are platforms where meeting people is in fact the primary objective. I once read someone’s observation that “it had become unfortunate that bars were one of the only places where it was acceptable to start up a conversation witha stranger”. That was a good point. In most cases, unsolicited attention is not a welcome or advisable practice in many everyday walks of life, in scenarios such as taking public transit, walking down the street, working out at the gym, or buying groceries. Unusual directed attention at an attractive stranger can hardly be disguised from its blatant attempt to “get somewhere further”. Distractions such as walking a dog can thus become convenient segue to starting a conversation with another dog walker by commenting on their dog. Bars have become recognized locations for singles to meet and taking initiative does not look so out of place as elsewhere. The problem is that its patrons are only one particular subset of the population. Other platforms offering this kind of interaction are matchmaking and speed dating services where people sign up with an obvious, declared intention.

So not considering these cheap street tactics, I can easily say almost everyone meets a signficant other in of the “social living” environments I described previously. School is probably the primary source, and for those in the working world, social activities and networks through friends are probably the best way to meet new people. When you consider the expanse of population untouched by these small spheres of interaction, you realize the small pond most people are trapped in. This has always been this way. In olden times social networks were even more restrictive and people generally knew less people, diminishing their pool of potential partners.

Thus enter the world of internet dating. I have personally not ventured into this realm, but in theory it should be a fantastic tool. It really expands the pond into a lake. One big problem is that there is some stigma attached with it, enough to again filter only a certain subset of the population who regard it as a valid platform. There are also the dangers of false representation.

Yet despite all these factors, people fall in love astoundingly easily. People fall in love with their classmates in a class of 20, 30, 100, 1000. These are still very small populations. The ocean is still untapped. One of the most important goals in people’s lives, the source of such immense value and meaning, is fixed by two things: proximity and circumstance. People simply fall in love with people they spend a lot of time with. There is not much choice because there is simply less chance to become attracted to someone you don’t know. However, proximity is purely a function of circumstance. Only by a very specific set of circumstances do you got to be around the people around you. If one seeks to truly understand what could have easily been, had only a minor change in circumstance occurred, you could be exposed to some amazingly compatible people. People in general also tend to be rather foolish in selecting their mates, what with the divorce and break up rates in recent times. Love and compatibility are clearly two very different elements that people need to distinguish.

Having said all this it seems so inadvisable to fall in love ever knowing that there is someone better waiting out there. But of course people are not perfectly rational. Pheromones do their job very well. I myself am hardly immune to the pulls of attraction. In fact I consider myself to “fall in love” so easily with so many pretty girls I encounter who show me any attention, and even those who do not. I concede I am a timid recluse which does not help my case. I hardly have a game nor do I wish to learn it (though I learn from practice). Perhaps this has all culminated to my current state: 23, never had a girlfriend, never touched a girl meaningfully.

There is one girl I have liked above all others. But my circumstances and proximity near her will very soon draw to a close. We will move on to different things and I do not expect to see her much again. Quite honestly, from my (admittedly limited) experience, she was the best I’ve known. Before you pull out your tired old line, I did ask already and was turned down. That was a while back, and I’m thinking of giving it one more shot before (or perhaps after) we part.

Otherwise, how easy it is to move on depends on the quality of the fish in my next pond. Sadly, I won’t be able to see the ocean, but how I long to.

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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 23 2011 06:03 GMT
#2
As a quick summary to its content, the paper talks about the optimal number of people one should “date” or become familiar with before settling on a long term relationship.


Isn't there a bit too much variance from hidden variables and random chance to make this research even remotely useful?

Walls of text drive readers away but I found the read enjoyable. Here's a picture
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Here's a contribution: I've tried online dating, guys hit on girls 10-100x more than girls hit on guys even in a students only even distribution setting. Most people don't give too much information to work with.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 23 2011 06:20 GMT
#3
The article is interesting but it quickly becomes too theoretical.

It's probably a decent idea just to test stuff. And not waste too much time having one night flings.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Shiverfish
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada95 Posts
July 23 2011 14:17 GMT
#4
Well yeah the article isn't meant to be taken too seriously or have really practical applications, but it does draw some interesting conclusions as food for thought.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
July 23 2011 15:15 GMT
#5
@shiverfish
Thus enter the world of internet dating. I have personally not ventured into this realm, but in theory it should be a fantastic tool. It really expands the pond into a lake. One big problem is that there is some stigma attached with it, enough to again filter only a certain subset of the population who regard it as a valid platform. There are also the dangers of false representation.

False representation isn't that big of a deal, you'll notice that she's different as soon as you see her. At worst you'll have wasted a bit of time. I wouldn't go as far to say there's a stigma attached to it. It's a pretty normal thing these days.

@obesechicken13
Here's a contribution: I've tried online dating, guys hit on girls 10-100x more than girls hit on guys even in a students only even distribution setting. Most people don't give too much information to work with.

If you're a guy, you have to hit on girls irl too so I don't see what the issue is. It's probably way faster and more efficient to just send a hundred messages than to wait for responses from others. The purpose of internet dating is to just get you a date, you have to pick it up from there. You don't need to write biography in your profile.

As for the paper, I don't have the time or patience to read the whole thing. So what's the tl;dr answer to the question of how many people one should meet?
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 18:52:10
July 23 2011 18:48 GMT
#6
all I can think about when someone talks about longing for someone is Severus Snape's story

that man was a hero

btw

Having said all this it seems so inadvisable to fall in love ever knowing that there is someone better waiting out there. But of course people are not perfectly rational.


this is an absolutely horrible conclusion. accept people for who they are. either learn to love them for their faults and positives or at the very least, be able to tolerate their faults.

waiting for the perfect partner will result in never having a meaningful relationship with a significant other
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 26 2011 00:31 GMT
#7
On July 24 2011 00:15 Sotamursu wrote:


@obesechicken13
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Here's a contribution: I've tried online dating, guys hit on girls 10-100x more than girls hit on guys even in a students only even distribution setting. Most people don't give too much information to work with.

If you're a guy, you have to hit on girls irl too so I don't see what the issue is. It's probably way faster and more efficient to just send a hundred messages than to wait for responses from others. The purpose of internet dating is to just get you a date, you have to pick it up from there. You don't need to write biography in your profile.

As for the paper, I don't have the time or patience to read the whole thing. So what's the tl;dr answer to the question of how many people one should meet?

I don't want those girls... but they seem to be the only kind on the online sites. The only guy who got lots of views and comments was someone who said he had a big cock.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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