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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 19 2011 22:38 GMT
#41


Maybe you'll argue that even if a game has only 100 ratings, it's because it's newer or isn't as popular. Do you realize that to be one of the "greatest of all time" a game doesn't just need favorable reviews? That it needs to revolutionize, to blaze a new path? If a game manages to please 38 K people, it's more general. If you make a very specific kind of game, it might get a 100% approval by the few hundred who play it, but if you make a general kind of game that around 40,000 people both play and like, it means that you
Again, this claim ignores my central premise of low standard deviation, suggesting the concept you are attempting to present, Cannot exist. Your a) and b) optiions ignore it, as well. The choice of Gamespot is a choice of reasonable conditions, im sure you are able to comprehend the thought path. While it is so that the satistical significance is less certain in smaller samples like the Space games, this very argument assumes my framework to be true and hence does nothing but prove my point. hell its still one helluva game.
Aah thats the stuff..
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 19 2011 22:40 GMT
#42
Also, Deus ex ( http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/deusex/index.html ) Scores a respectable 9.1, which by itself can be considered in the very top of PC games (top 50 i guess, though i havent quite counted all the games), but the question at hand is the very best.
Aah thats the stuff..
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
July 19 2011 22:53 GMT
#43
The problem with user ratings is you always have two large groups of people who will vote 0/10 for any game not on their platform of choice, and then those who rate every game on their platform of choice 10/10. They have a tendency to really skew the result.

Also, if a game has some missing feature that everyone makes a big deal about, that could lead to massive low score voting as a result regardless of the quality of the actual game (see Starcraft 2 on Amazon).
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 19 2011 22:57 GMT
#44
I wouldn't put Oblivion so high, the vanilla game is decent but nothing special.

With mods it's easily a top 10 PC game, but so is Morrowind and I don't see that.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 19 2011 23:15 GMT
#45
Oh my god this thread cracked me up

djbhINDI, it utilizes the misesian framework of praxeology to describe actions. Note that this concept is a synthetic a priori in Kantian epistemology, and hence necessarily true. I only elaborated it further through the substitution of action axiom as a teleological premise for behaviorism as a root of action, due to justifications of panphysicalism and machinism that Mises himself touches upon, too.


THIS IS AMAZING
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
July 19 2011 23:18 GMT
#46
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The dots have small standard deviation, therefore they objectively hit the center.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 19 2011 23:26 GMT
#47
This thread is worse than the coin flipping thread.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 19 2011 23:26 GMT
#48
Get outta here with your simplicity, peon. It's the goddamn misesian framekwork of praxeology, a fuckin synethic a priori in Kantian episemology you fuckin cro magnon. PANPHYSYICALISM MAN.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 19 2011 23:28 GMT
#49
On July 20 2011 08:18 okum wrote:
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The dots have small standard deviation, therefore they objectively hit the center.


Wow. Well done.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 19 2011 23:32 GMT
#50
I can see why every game is up there, except for oblivion... that game haunts me to this day with it's fucking über ratings and TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE gameplay, most disgusting game ever made it's so fucking bad.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
July 19 2011 23:35 GMT
#51
WTF is all this pretense of objectivity bullshit? All you are proving (and not even just that, since the conclusion is rendered faulty via the volunteer-bias factor and tons of lurking variables, along with a statistically indeterminate hypothesis/goal) is that they are the highest rated, not necessarily "the best." The best =/= most popular (this problem overlaps with the indeterminate nature of a "best" game).
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 19 2011 23:40 GMT
#52
Lots of games get low user scores due to things unrelated to gameplay like DRM. Also a lot of games are different now than on release due to patches. If you play Fallout: New Vegas or Vampire: Bloodlines (both excellent games marred by bugs) now you'll have a much less buggy experience than if you played them at release.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 19 2011 23:59 GMT
#53
Obscurantism is the post-modernist's best friend. Xarthaz apparently caught the drift, and somehow wanted to apply that to video game rankings. Unfortunately, it was still too easy to cut through the crap.

The OP sounded like some noobs I would run into from the philosophy department, having just read Being and Time, and wanted to apply "hermeneutical phenomenology" to some random bullshit while stringing up non-related concepts together. Not saying I'm necessarily more knowledgeable or intelligent, but this is just too hilarious.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 00:09:34
July 20 2011 00:07 GMT
#54
In the darts game example the middle or correct rating is defined seperately from darts. In the case of game rating the location of the rating itself is the rating by definition. There exists no dichotomy between measured rating and assumptions made about correct rating that the darts example attempts to show. Osama, the low deviation of scores implies your hypotheses being incorrect.
Aah thats the stuff..
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 20 2011 00:08 GMT
#55
I think he just wants us to acknowledge that he's read Hayek and Menger.

Also, in the OP, he states that the methodology is "purely a stable, non-feedback system." But then, proceeds to ask how this objective truth acts as "feedback to consumer preference at the individual level." The data is already consumer preference at an individual level. There is no reason to ask any questions, the answer is already presented. Many individual's who gave reviews on the site you cited prefer the games you listed. This does not require deconstruction.

I've been trolled into responding in this thread 4 times.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 20 2011 00:09 GMT
#56
Well OP, your methodology for objectiveness made the scientific method shoot itself in the head.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
July 20 2011 00:10 GMT
#57
This video reminds me of the discussion in this thread.



koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 20 2011 00:12 GMT
#58
On July 20 2011 08:59 Qaatar wrote:
Obscurantism is the post-modernist's best friend. Xarthaz apparently caught the drift, and somehow wanted to apply that to video game rankings. Unfortunately, it was still too easy to cut through the crap.

The OP sounded like some noobs I would run into from the philosophy department, having just read Being and Time, and wanted to apply "hermeneutical phenomenology" to some random bullshit while stringing up non-related concepts together. Not saying I'm necessarily more knowledgeable or intelligent, but this is just too hilarious.

Hey everyone, Austrian economics is post-modernist now.
IronMonocle
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
July 20 2011 00:19 GMT
#59
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 20 2011 00:27 GMT
#60
On July 20 2011 09:12 koreasilver wrote:
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On July 20 2011 08:59 Qaatar wrote:
Obscurantism is the post-modernist's best friend. Xarthaz apparently caught the drift, and somehow wanted to apply that to video game rankings. Unfortunately, it was still too easy to cut through the crap.

The OP sounded like some noobs I would run into from the philosophy department, having just read Being and Time, and wanted to apply "hermeneutical phenomenology" to some random bullshit while stringing up non-related concepts together. Not saying I'm necessarily more knowledgeable or intelligent, but this is just too hilarious.

Hey everyone, Austrian economics is post-modernist now.


You would actually find many people who would argue as such. Google around.

I'm not one of them. I was merely stating that the OP, in trying to combine wholly disparate ideas into this "objectivity framework", IS post-modernist in nature. You would disagree?
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