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TOP 10 PC games, objectively
Using Gamespot user ratings, it is possible to determine the games with highest interpersonal valuation indeces, in other words, the best games of the PC platform.
The methodology of this process is consistent with the conditions necessary to establish objective truth. That is, the claims made regarding the subject at hand are arrived at through strict
The process view of the procedure of rating is purely a stable, non-feedback system. This must be the case because of the lack of alternative ends of actions whose subject the process is, due to no stable entry cost, excessive uptime and total length of process.
Omitting games below 100 votes, compilations(Baldur's Gate: 4 in 1 Boxset notably had 9.5 rating and Orange Box 9.4) the results are as follows:
Ranks 1-8:
Grim Fandango, User Score 9.4 3509 votes
Cave Story, User Score 9.4 229 votes
Master of Magic, User Score 9.4 261 votes
EVE Online: Dominion, User Score 9.4 107 votes
Half-Life 2, User Score 9.4 39650 votes
Twinsen's Odyssey, User Score 9.4 500 votes
UT 2004: Editor's Choice (PC), User Score 9.4 776 votes
X-COM: UFO Defense (PC), User score 9.4 1832 votes
Rank 9-10 tiebreakers:
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, User Score 9.3 32524 votes
Starcraft, User Score 9.3 14060 votes
Rome: Total War User Score 9.3 15090 votes
Fallout 2 User Score 9.3 6060 votes
Planescape:Torment User Score 9.3 3105 votes
The Curse of Monkey Island, User Score 9.3 2764 votes
FreeSpace 2 User Score 9.3 2107 votes
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn User Score 9.3 6509 votes
Star Wars TIE Fighter: Collector's CD-ROM, User Score 9.3 917 votes
Transport Tycoon Deluxe User Score 9.3 579 votes
Starcraft: Brood War User Score 9.3 9878 votes
Unreal Tournament User Score 9.3 5715 votes
Half-Life User Score 9.3 14278 votes
Minecraft User Score 9.3 691 votes
The question remains, how does the interpersonal aggregation of data, being objectively true, act as a feedback to consumer preference at the individual level, perhaps among TeamLiquid users?
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what? I don't even. Pretty bad list, IMO. My real top 10 list:
1) Super Mario Bros
2) Tetris
3) Starcraft: Brood War
4) Doom
5) Final Fantasy VII
6) Counter Strike: Source
7) The Sims
8) Shadow of the Collosus
9) Minecraft
10) DotA
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On July 20 2011 04:42 xarthaz wrote:
TOP 10 PC games, objectively
Using Gamespot user ratings, it is possible to determine the games with highest interpersonal valuation indeces, in other words, the best games of the PC platform.
The methodology of this process is consistent with the conditions necessary to establish objective truth. That is, the claims made regarding the subject at hand are arrived at through strict
The process view of the procedure of rating is purely a stable, non-feedback system. This must be the case because of the lack of alternative ends of actions whose subject the process is, due to no stable entry cost, excessive uptime and total length of process.
TRANSLATION: I looked at gamer site review rankings and because there is no subjective driving force we can pretend it's objective
The question remains, how does the interpersonal aggregation of data, being objectively true, act as a feedback to consumer preference at the individual level, perhaps among TeamLiquid users?
TRANSLATION: Does TL agree?
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On July 20 2011 04:48 Jonas  wrote:what? I don't even. Pretty bad list, IMO. My real top 10 list: 1) Super Mario Bros 2) Tetris 3) Starcraft: Brood War 4) Doom 5) Final Fantasy VII 6) Counter Strike: Source 7) The Sims 8) Shadow of the Collosus 9) Minecraft 10) DotA
I think you need to read the op again.
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I usually don't have much faith in such ratings but that seems like a pretty good list.
Civ 2 and Master of Orion 2 are too sick to not be in there though
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On July 20 2011 04:48 Jonas wrote:what? I don't even. Pretty bad list, IMO. My real top 10 list: 1) Super Mario Bros 2) Tetris 3) Starcraft: Brood War 4) Doom 5) Final Fantasy VII 6) Counter Strike: Source 7) The Sims 8) Shadow of the Collosus 9) Minecraft 10) DotA
Mario.. for computer games??
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United States22883 Posts
The methodology of this process is consistent with the conditions necessary to establish objective truth. Lol?
I don't see how this is any different from a thread like this. Your epistemological backing for the term "objective truth" is uh... non-existent and there is no rigorous methodology. It's just a list of people's favorites games based on Gamespot voting. It's purely subjective and completely inconsistent.
You can PM me with how you think your thread differentiates itself from that other thread, or all the other "What's your favorite game...?" threads.
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One of the top 7 games has less than 10 times the amount of votes of one of the lower ranked tie breakers...
Not only that, but a game review site like gamespot is (lol) spotty at best. There's so many different sites to choose from, how does this in any way make an objective standpoint?
Also, man...OP...you're trying way too hard with all the flowery language here. It's video games and all...it just comes off haughty as all hell. Besides, the Smithsonian's exhibit on video games already would make a much better case for "objective" top games, if that's what you're looking to do.
Personally, even after you said everything, I wouldn't even begin to fathom what would prompt you to make this...it's nowhere near anything close to being objective
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The point is, when i look at the list. I cant help but agree with it. I dont like some of the choices it has, but i cannot help but acknowledge that they are objectively better. when you play the games that are top ranked in high sample size user ratings, as opposed to "expert" rating and whatnot, you can feel how every game is completely polished, developed to the fullest in its genre, has orgasmic beauty from start to finish.
The sensation is so strong, and has not once given false signals (same case with music user ratings, fwiw), that it must be true. The common argument against it is the appeal to praxeology and its offshoots like subjective value theory etc. But it must be remembered that at the very bottom of things, valuation is an implication of behaviorist concepts, like panphysicalism and human machinism. As such, it is necessarily true that indeed the sensation is objectively true, and must be cherished.
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I'll vouch for Twinsen's Odyssey / Little Big Adventure.
And for Starcraft of course ^_^
Edit: On the whole the list looks good, but entirely my taste but yeah. There's no such thing as an objective opinion in the end.
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On July 20 2011 05:41 xarthaz wrote:
The point is, when i look at the list. I cant help but agree with it. I dont like some of the choices it has, but i cannot help but acknowledge that they are objectively better. when you play the games that are top ranked in high sample size user ratings, as opposed to "expert" rating and whatnot, you can feel how every game is completely polished, developed to the fullest in its genre, has orgasmic beauty from start to finish.
The sensation is so strong, and has not once given false signals (same case with music user ratings, fwiw), that it must be true. The common argument against it is the appeal to praxeology and its offshoots like subjective value theory etc. But it must be remembered that at the very bottom of things, valuation is an implication of behaviorist concepts, like panphysicalism and human machinism. As such, it is necessarily true that indeed the sensation is objectively true, and must be cherished.
Passing the smell test does not mean objective truth. It could just be confirmation bias. Besides, you're saying it "feels" right and correlating that with objectivity. You mean something else.
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The OP is full of 'big words' which add nothing to the meaning and stuffy sentences. This is not intelligent/good writing. It just leaves me with a strong desire to 'TL;DR'.
If we take Gamespot user ratings as objective, should we also take IMDB's movie user rankings (which were notoriously manipulated by 4chan)?
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On July 20 2011 04:56 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +The methodology of this process is consistent with the conditions necessary to establish objective truth. Lol? I don't see how this is any different from a thread like this. Your epistemological backing for the term "objective truth" is uh... non-existent and there is no rigorous methodology. It's just a list of people's favorites games based on Gamespot voting. It's purely subjective and completely inconsistent. You can PM me with how you think your thread differentiates itself from that other thread, or all the other "What's your favorite game...?" threads.
Exactly what I was about to say. This is far from objective. This is merely a bunch of subjective viewpoints averaged together. You might want to relook at the definition of objective again.
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Wow, so many games I haven't played yet... >__<'' Gotta look them up before I start school... Been way too long since I played Grim Fandango.
However, based solely on what I've heard others mention about the games listed, it seems like a fair list to make.
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Hmmm, I've heard of most of these games, but have never actually played most of them. Thanks for reminding me to try them!
Also, is it even possible to "objectively" rate video games for the most part? I don't think so, at least. =/
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The problem with the list is that the game's skewed by niche games that have under 1000 votes, I think if we removed those games, we'd have a list that's much closer to the average idea of "best PC games"
Grim Fandango, User Score 9.4 3509 votes
Half-Life 2, User Score 9.4 39650 votes
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, User Score 9.3 32524 votes
Starcraft, User Score 9.3 14060 votes
Rome: Total War User Score 9.3 15090 votes
Fallout 2 User Score 9.3 6060 votes
Planescape:Torment User Score 9.3 3105 votes
The Curse of Monkey Island, User Score 9.3 2764 votes
FreeSpace 2 User Score 9.3 2107 votes
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn User Score 9.3 6509 votes
Starcraft: Brood War User Score 9.3 9878 votes
Unreal Tournament User Score 9.3 5715 votes
Half-Life User Score 9.3 14278 votes
seems pretty reasonable for a PC top 10 now to me (never heard of grim fandango tho)
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Dominion for EVE? It ruined nullsec. T_T
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Calgary25996 Posts
I replaced 'objectively' with 'statistically' in the title.
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On July 20 2011 06:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the list is that the game's skewed by niche games that have under 1000 votes, I think if we removed those games, we'd have a list that's much closer to the average idea of "best PC games"
Grim Fandango, User Score 9.4 3509 votes
Half-Life 2, User Score 9.4 39650 votes
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, User Score 9.3 32524 votes
Starcraft, User Score 9.3 14060 votes
Rome: Total War User Score 9.3 15090 votes
Fallout 2 User Score 9.3 6060 votes
Planescape:Torment User Score 9.3 3105 votes
The Curse of Monkey Island, User Score 9.3 2764 votes
FreeSpace 2 User Score 9.3 2107 votes
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn User Score 9.3 6509 votes
Starcraft: Brood War User Score 9.3 9878 votes
Unreal Tournament User Score 9.3 5715 votes
Half-Life User Score 9.3 14278 votes
seems pretty reasonable for a PC top 10 now to me (never heard of grim fandango tho)
pretty sweet! add doom and system shock 2 and we are done.
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