TOP 10 PC games, statistically - Page 2

On July 20 2011 06:23 xarthaz wrote:
So close but no cigar, not quite the top class of games that when you play, you know its the best. Because as i elaborated, the behaviorist premise is the real root of valuation, not the teleological concept of preference as elaborated by the misesians. That too invalidates free will and choice however, hence it being somewhat of a dark horse which people dont want to accept.

Nevertheless, the universality, low standard deviation of rating which is necessary for such high ratings to exist in the first place, also implies that the causal factor between people and top game ratings exists, and hence is direct evidence of objective top game existing. This is a fork of the original argument, however it is a clever and self sufficient argument, wholly contained within the data set that is being investigated, hence its complete relevance to the matter which concerns the debate.

On July 20 2011 06:13 Mortality wrote:
About half the top 7 there is LOLWUT?! Some of them I am okay with (although the only I consider arguably top 7 is HL-2), but others are not even top 100.

I have to say also, I'm surprised that the ratings are not weighted. 107 votes is enough to 0.1 lower with 35000 votes? Really? :/ Wut a crappy ranking system.

Also, the words "objective" and "feeling" do not belong in the same sentence unless they are related by a word of negation.

The question remains, how does the interpersonal aggregation of data, being objectively true, act as a feedback to consumer preference at the individual level, perhaps among TeamLiquid users?

On July 20 2011 06:05 Chill wrote:
I replaced 'objectively' with 'statistically' in the title.

On July 20 2011 06:27 xarthaz wrote:
I challenge you to show how the games in the list are such that they dont deserve to be what they are. Remember, it is behaviorist premise that is the root of rating, and the causal link between rating and game in interpersonal game is strong, as otherwise ratings as high as are visible could not exist due to standard deviation of rating being significant. Which it isnt.

On July 20 2011 06:33 slyboogie wrote:
Wait, you don't present enough data points to say that game ratings have low standard deviations. You'd have to pull up enough reviews of each game and show us that, for the most part, they fall within two standard devs. That isn't on us. That's on you.

Also, you give this gem in the OP:


My God, who are WE to question the interpersonal aggregation of data? Especially since it is objectively true? I'd like the sun to rise in the west but the universe doesn't care, it's an objective truth that it rises in the east.

EDIT: I'm thinking Sokal too.

interpersonal aggregation of data, being objectively true

On July 20 2011 06:55 xarthaz wrote:
djbhINDI, it utilizes the misesian framework of praxeology to describe actions. Note that this concept is a synthetic a priori in Kantian epistemology, and hence necessarily true. I only elaborated it further through the substitution of action axiom as a teleological premise for behaviorism as a root of action, due to justifications of panphysicalism and machinism that Mises himself touches upon, too.

"Praxeology rejects the empirical methods of the natural sciences."

"substitution of an action axiom as a teleological premise for behaviorism"

On July 20 2011 06:55 xarthaz wrote:
By the way, I challenge you to play through Cave Story and still call it a bad game, or worse than HL2 at least. You see, from the premises i elaborated it follows that you will most likely be lying when making such a statement unless indeed - you are a statistical anomaly, something outside the tight grouping of data suggesting low standard deviation.

On July 20 2011 07:01 xarthaz wrote:
djbhINDI, the logic is sound. Your application of it to Bieber isnt, however. It is a tangent though, but the implications of the concepts are visible from ratings site. My favourite in music is RateYourMusic due to massive sample size, but Pick your poison. Indeed, it is hard to imagine one not agreeing with the ratings in the music site given knowledge of genre, as mathematical nature of music closely relates it to the behaviorist justification of objective values - the algorithms in that case being more straight forward due to lack of asymmetries of consumption of the content.

On July 20 2011 07:14 xarthaz wrote:
You have succeeded in straw-manning praxeology. But that is common, hardly any of its "critics" make it through the 1000 pages of obsfuscated austro-english vocabulary of mises. The man is a genius though, and the argument is sound. Though it is not so important to this debate as the conclusions are made from the behaviorist substitution which rejects the conclusions, though the acceptance of its framework is necessary per Mises' criticism.

On July 20 2011 07:29 viletomato wrote:
No Deus Ex? The game has flaws but still is one of the best PC games ever made.