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Is Marine + Some Medivacs cheese?

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Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
June 18 2011 22:07 GMT
#1
This didn't warrant a thread elsewhere, so I decided to put it here.

So, in my latest game on the ladder, I used a mass marine strat (via mass Barracks with reactors) to win against my opponent. My opponent said that this was a cheese strat and that I was bad, which launched a long argument about it. Here is the transcript if you want it (I edited out my opponent's name for privacy's sake) :


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You: 3-base 7 rax is a cheese now?
Opponent: yes
You: So is 3-base Zergling/Baneling a cheese now?
Please, enlighten me.
Opponent: if you spam t1 you're fucking bad
thats all I have to say lol
You: Ok, then. No point in talking to you then.
――――――――――――――――
Opponent: Well, you disagree?
Opponent has reconnected.
You: With what?
Opponent: that t1 spam in late game is baddie?
You: Yes, just T1 is bad, but T1 makes up most of most armies. In high-end play, you see a lot of Zealots, Stalkers, Zerglings, Banelings, Marines, and Marauders.
Higher Tiers are for support
Such as Medivacs
Opponent: lol, but they shouldn't make up your whole army
like yours did
You: I used Medivacs for healing, for one. Second, I was getting upgrades for my marines to increase their effectiveness. Third, I only used Marines because those are the only unit I needed. I didn't need much else, so I didn't get it.
Opponent: so, you cheesed
You: Getting a third base is not cheese
Pressure is not cheese
Opponent: do you really think marine spam with 4 LATE medi is a legit strat?
You: 7-rax is not cheese
Opponent: lol k you're too stubborn to realize
peaec
peace*
you ruin this game
You: See ya
Opponent: fuckin scrounging for wins
You: And having fun at the same time
Opponent: oh
thats really fuckin' pathetic that you are missing out fo 90% of this game
you're bad go read some liquid and watch day9
You: I do, all the time
The player is ignoring you.


I was just wondering, was he right? To me, it does not seem like cheese, since I was expanding, but I'm not entirely sure, as I am still a newb. Is massing just one unit cheese?

Also, here is the replay, if you care to take a look at the game:

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salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
June 18 2011 22:09 GMT
#2
No. Ignore him.
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 18 2011 22:12 GMT
#3
If your army (off 3 bases) is able to be made of only marines with medivac and he could not stop that, then i would not worry about what he is saying. It is obviously not a very common strat, but in no way cheesy, i think.
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awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
June 18 2011 22:23 GMT
#4
Do you even know the definition of cheese? He was just mad that he couldn't handle the strategy, just ignore him
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
June 18 2011 22:25 GMT
#5
Anything that has you on 3 bases is not cheese, plain and simple
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
June 18 2011 22:26 GMT
#6
Marine heavy armies are some of the most mechanically demanding ones to control in late game--the Zerg has probably never played terran. I've gotten a lot of "terran is broken win with just marines" too on bnet.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
June 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#7
Lol, definitely NOT cheese if you're on 3 bases. He was just angry that he lost and wanted to rile you up. Ignore him, and keep owning rude bastards like him.
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#8
...no?
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:33:32
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#9
You are not breaking the game by using marines off 3 base (not cheese), if anything it's the game that is broken. But given that he couldn't hold (in his own words) "marine spam with 4 LATE medi" he can't be that good. However, I would still agree if he called you out on cheese if you did some 1 base cheesy push and "transitioned" into 3 base marines.

Also why would you edit out his name and then post the replay?
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
June 18 2011 22:31 GMT
#10
Ignore the haters.
hot fuh days
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
June 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#11
If you do indeed watch Day9 as your opponent tells you, he tells us that nothing is cheese. So essentially, he's just raging because you're so much better than he is. Good work.
There is but one truth.
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
June 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#12
he's at fault for being a scrub and not being able to hold pure marine (lol)
@nowSimon
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 18 2011 22:34 GMT
#13
On June 19 2011 07:25 xxpack09 wrote:
Anything that has you on 3 bases is not cheese, plain and simple

Getting 2 hidden expansions and somehow trying to trick your opponent into not attacking you does seem kinda cheesy to me.

Cheese: strategy that has a very high chance of winning the game if unscouted but also has a very high chance of losing if it is scouted and countered properly.

So in a way mass marine might be cheesy because it should be quite easy to counter that. However if you get 3 bases and 7 raxes and your opponent still doesn't scout it or doesn't counter it then that opponent is just plain bad.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
simansh
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
257 Posts
June 18 2011 22:45 GMT
#14
Cheese = relying on hiding stuff

In my opinion that is.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
June 18 2011 22:52 GMT
#15
Your opponent raged because he lost (common) OP, keep doing what you're doing.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 18 2011 23:01 GMT
#16
Unless you pull off all your SCVs or kill your buildings or something, it is definitely not cheese. Many players have a lack of self-esteem and would make any excuse to call something to cheese or imbalanced when they lose, it is just a characteristic of many unexperienced people in the StarCraft community.

I will admit that if he does manage to get Hive Tech out you are in somewhat trouble, but not to the point where your play is cheese as you still have StarPorts for Vikings and such.
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Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
June 18 2011 23:25 GMT
#17
I wouln't see it as cheese. And by the way why would you care? everyone cheeses once in a while
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45181 Posts
June 19 2011 00:13 GMT
#18
It's cheese only if it's hidden tech that you're banking on doing a lot of damage with (because your opponent is not ready for it), yet if it's scouted in time, it can be easily defended.

Because, ya know, that's the definition of cheese

Why would you need to ask us if it is?
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10253 Posts
June 19 2011 01:06 GMT
#19
awww... another cry baby who can't beat mass rines when all he needs is a couple of well placed burrowed banelings or a mass muta/bling surround and boom, bye bye mass rines

to me cheese is when you pretty much go all-in, and if you succeed, you pretty much won the game. if you don't you're screwed.
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sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
June 19 2011 01:52 GMT
#20
He's just raging, don't take him seriously.
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
June 19 2011 01:53 GMT
#21
On June 19 2011 09:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Because, ya know, that's the definition of cheese


Is there really a definition of cheese?

Enlighten me.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45181 Posts
June 19 2011 02:42 GMT
#22
On June 19 2011 10:53 Completley wrote:
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On June 19 2011 09:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Because, ya know, that's the definition of cheese


Is there really a definition of cheese?

Enlighten me.


Of course there is. Why didn't you just read the rest of my post?

Also: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Cheese
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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