• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:13
CET 01:13
KST 09:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool30Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87 [GSL CK] #2: Team Classic vs. Team Solar
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea JaeDong's form before ASL BSL Season 22
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Mexico's Drug War
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4222 users

Is Marine + Some Medivacs cheese?

Blogs > Omegalisk
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
June 18 2011 22:07 GMT
#1
This didn't warrant a thread elsewhere, so I decided to put it here.

So, in my latest game on the ladder, I used a mass marine strat (via mass Barracks with reactors) to win against my opponent. My opponent said that this was a cheese strat and that I was bad, which launched a long argument about it. Here is the transcript if you want it (I edited out my opponent's name for privacy's sake) :


+ Show Spoiler +
You: 3-base 7 rax is a cheese now?
Opponent: yes
You: So is 3-base Zergling/Baneling a cheese now?
Please, enlighten me.
Opponent: if you spam t1 you're fucking bad
thats all I have to say lol
You: Ok, then. No point in talking to you then.
――――――――――――――――
Opponent: Well, you disagree?
Opponent has reconnected.
You: With what?
Opponent: that t1 spam in late game is baddie?
You: Yes, just T1 is bad, but T1 makes up most of most armies. In high-end play, you see a lot of Zealots, Stalkers, Zerglings, Banelings, Marines, and Marauders.
Higher Tiers are for support
Such as Medivacs
Opponent: lol, but they shouldn't make up your whole army
like yours did
You: I used Medivacs for healing, for one. Second, I was getting upgrades for my marines to increase their effectiveness. Third, I only used Marines because those are the only unit I needed. I didn't need much else, so I didn't get it.
Opponent: so, you cheesed
You: Getting a third base is not cheese
Pressure is not cheese
Opponent: do you really think marine spam with 4 LATE medi is a legit strat?
You: 7-rax is not cheese
Opponent: lol k you're too stubborn to realize
peaec
peace*
you ruin this game
You: See ya
Opponent: fuckin scrounging for wins
You: And having fun at the same time
Opponent: oh
thats really fuckin' pathetic that you are missing out fo 90% of this game
you're bad go read some liquid and watch day9
You: I do, all the time
The player is ignoring you.


I was just wondering, was he right? To me, it does not seem like cheese, since I was expanding, but I'm not entirely sure, as I am still a newb. Is massing just one unit cheese?

Also, here is the replay, if you care to take a look at the game:

*
salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
June 18 2011 22:09 GMT
#2
No. Ignore him.
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 18 2011 22:12 GMT
#3
If your army (off 3 bases) is able to be made of only marines with medivac and he could not stop that, then i would not worry about what he is saying. It is obviously not a very common strat, but in no way cheesy, i think.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
June 18 2011 22:23 GMT
#4
Do you even know the definition of cheese? He was just mad that he couldn't handle the strategy, just ignore him
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
June 18 2011 22:25 GMT
#5
Anything that has you on 3 bases is not cheese, plain and simple
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
June 18 2011 22:26 GMT
#6
Marine heavy armies are some of the most mechanically demanding ones to control in late game--the Zerg has probably never played terran. I've gotten a lot of "terran is broken win with just marines" too on bnet.
6581
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
June 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#7
Lol, definitely NOT cheese if you're on 3 bases. He was just angry that he lost and wanted to rile you up. Ignore him, and keep owning rude bastards like him.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#8
...no?
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:33:32
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#9
You are not breaking the game by using marines off 3 base (not cheese), if anything it's the game that is broken. But given that he couldn't hold (in his own words) "marine spam with 4 LATE medi" he can't be that good. However, I would still agree if he called you out on cheese if you did some 1 base cheesy push and "transitioned" into 3 base marines.

Also why would you edit out his name and then post the replay?
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
June 18 2011 22:31 GMT
#10
Ignore the haters.
hot fuh days
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
June 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#11
If you do indeed watch Day9 as your opponent tells you, he tells us that nothing is cheese. So essentially, he's just raging because you're so much better than he is. Good work.
There is but one truth.
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
June 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#12
he's at fault for being a scrub and not being able to hold pure marine (lol)
@nowSimon
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 18 2011 22:34 GMT
#13
On June 19 2011 07:25 xxpack09 wrote:
Anything that has you on 3 bases is not cheese, plain and simple

Getting 2 hidden expansions and somehow trying to trick your opponent into not attacking you does seem kinda cheesy to me.

Cheese: strategy that has a very high chance of winning the game if unscouted but also has a very high chance of losing if it is scouted and countered properly.

So in a way mass marine might be cheesy because it should be quite easy to counter that. However if you get 3 bases and 7 raxes and your opponent still doesn't scout it or doesn't counter it then that opponent is just plain bad.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
simansh
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
257 Posts
June 18 2011 22:45 GMT
#14
Cheese = relying on hiding stuff

In my opinion that is.
#1 Zenex Line fan!
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
June 18 2011 22:52 GMT
#15
Your opponent raged because he lost (common) OP, keep doing what you're doing.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 18 2011 23:01 GMT
#16
Unless you pull off all your SCVs or kill your buildings or something, it is definitely not cheese. Many players have a lack of self-esteem and would make any excuse to call something to cheese or imbalanced when they lose, it is just a characteristic of many unexperienced people in the StarCraft community.

I will admit that if he does manage to get Hive Tech out you are in somewhat trouble, but not to the point where your play is cheese as you still have StarPorts for Vikings and such.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
June 18 2011 23:25 GMT
#17
I wouln't see it as cheese. And by the way why would you care? everyone cheeses once in a while
Battle.net 2.0 is a waiter and he's a dick
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45365 Posts
June 19 2011 00:13 GMT
#18
It's cheese only if it's hidden tech that you're banking on doing a lot of damage with (because your opponent is not ready for it), yet if it's scouted in time, it can be easily defended.

Because, ya know, that's the definition of cheese

Why would you need to ask us if it is?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10341 Posts
June 19 2011 01:06 GMT
#19
awww... another cry baby who can't beat mass rines when all he needs is a couple of well placed burrowed banelings or a mass muta/bling surround and boom, bye bye mass rines

to me cheese is when you pretty much go all-in, and if you succeed, you pretty much won the game. if you don't you're screwed.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
June 19 2011 01:52 GMT
#20
He's just raging, don't take him seriously.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
Solar vs ByuN
MaxPax vs Solar
Rogue vs Percival
Cure vs Solar
herO vs Solar
PiGStarcraft510
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL
20:00
S22 - Ladder Tour #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
LAN Event
16:30
StarCraft Madness
Airneanach40
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft510
elazer 182
SpeCial 156
Nina 84
Ketroc 53
Codebar 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 485
Dota 2
monkeys_forever487
League of Legends
JimRising 524
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe205
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor225
Other Games
Grubby4136
ceh9570
byalli467
ViBE90
Mew2King73
Trikslyr59
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1090
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream116
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 15
• mYiSmile19
• davetesta2
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21936
League of Legends
• Doublelift3085
Other Games
• imaqtpie1157
• WagamamaTV438
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 48m
herO vs MaxPax
Rogue vs TriGGeR
BSL
19h 48m
Replay Cast
23h 48m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
1d 11h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 16h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
WardiTV Team League
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.