• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:00
CEST 23:00
KST 06:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies18Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !18Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 (Spoiler) ASL21 Winner's Interview vespene.gg — BW replays in browser [ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies UA StarCraft: Mawin (T) vs hanniGan (P) Showmatch
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Organizations: Raisi…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1341 users

[L] Wins you feel like a slug after

Blogs > Danglars
Post a Reply
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#1
I tag this [L] for "Low Level" since that's the level of play I'm at right now, averaging around 12 ladder games per week. I'm too much a fan -- averaging roughly 30 hours of TL.net Featured Live User Streams + 12 hours of GSL per week. I guess that's the sports analogy of sitting home in front of the TV watching sports rather than throwing the pigskin for myself. Maybe there's something there and I need to get out from in front of the TV and go.

So, on a whim, I do my maybe 4th ladder game this week and nab a PvZ, Danglars vs Jairo.SC2Replay. With lack of practice comes lack of consistancy ... now I'm a master league player fighting diamonds more often than master league opponents. Testament to my skill and consistancy at this point. But hey, 3:00 am in the morning, I'd like a less skilled opponent, right on.

So I spend my PvZ doing the good old 3gate sentry expand. Last 15 games, 13 of them have been 3gate sentry expand opening, 1 was a 6pool defense, and 1 was this TalDarim altar game I speak of now. Last 2 times I've played PvZ on this map (800 pt Zerg, 650 pt Zerg) I've been dejected at the lack of pressure I can apply with 3gate sentry against a Zerg that wants fast 3 bases. I commit to pressure -- get overrun by hidden speedlings and roaches, I don't pressure and its 3 saturated bases worth of Zerg army as I try to take my third. So my mindset had become a behavior of Protoss in his ForceField bunker waiting for hallucinate to take a peak at the Zerg brain .. Tech, Third Base, or Insane-Aggression-Glad-I-Stayed put.

But not tonight. I watch Live Streams TV; I see Protoss doing a Forge Fast Expand on this map. I like my gas geysers, I like the timings I feel comfortable with on a 3gate expand. I abandon all of it and drop a ~15 forge. I scout, sigh of relief no 6-10 pool. Then I get all bold as I miss blocking his expo, and attempt a BUFF BUFF cannon wallin on his natural. And ... I miss an opening that dies.

Then I double stargate (Yeah *spoiler* a certain GSL Protoss wow'd me with his 2stargate play). I kinda feel I have a macro advantage getting my expo down earlier and *ahem* pooling gas I had forgotten to start spending because I failed to place the ever-important cybernetics core. Soon after, I head to his crossmap spawn with a meaty force of void rays and phoenix and ...

"SWEET! Just Roaches, couple queens, spore crawlers that aren't done! Okay, kill this and that and ... wait those are hydras over there. And there. RETREAT!"

Hardly any damage done I return, trying my best to get my roach counter underway (Colossus) and gateway infrastructure and promising not to noob it up so much in rest of the game. Few skirmishes as I try to take a 4th I can't really defend, manage to catch some overlords with phoenix ... fight in a pretty good area and take out some corruptors roach hydra. I have nothing that can stop him from mass expanding, but I've had some favorable fights.

I move out get whomped. Kill some stuff, get whomped again. I have a great economy but am slightly behind in upgrades and repeatedly engage out in the open against roach/hydra/corruptor and later broodlords. Lose everything as I remember that in the past with 3gate sentry -> colossus, I've experienced success with DTs.

So I warp in a bunch from my nearest expansion and ... no detection ... still no detection ... wow I'm killing a lot here. Lot of damage done, I get cleaned up and I feel he is in a great lead. I have nearly no army and type to him that I think I've run out of steam. I have unharassed bases, tons of infrastructure and decent upgrades so I'm limping along as long as I have some good mining bases. He takes out an expansion I have no prayer of defending.

And woah ... I start scouting around and realize ... he hasn't been mass expanding as much as he could've. And the expansions he has aren't saturated and mining gas. Hmmm, might he not be able to sustain production with prolonged harass and good tech choices? He attacks with roach-heavy + corruptor into my main, relatively unopposed. I have maybe 4 void rays 1 carrier as my attention is drawn to his lack of hydralisks. It's just broodlords roaches and a handful of hydralisks. My air force tears through his army as he tries to do as much damage as possible. WOAH. I'm still in this! I start building up a ball I can challenge him with, and I take another base and send DTs everywhere. I get another army win and can approach his main to snipe buildings with a stalker contingent.


I feel like I just climbed out of the sewer. I did not deserve that win from my atrocious playstyle. I've done better PvZ back in Platinum league the first week I got the game. And the luck of DTs, Air, and his slow speed of taking safe bases and getting spread detection lets me eke out a win. I don't think I've ever had a win where I did quite this many things wrong.

[[Replay link is meant to be watched at a high speed. It is 44 minutes long.The level of play is definately face-in-palm so be warned. On the upside, it involves DTs and Carriers.]]

Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
May 07 2011 13:11 GMT
#2
You shouldn't blame yourself for the fact your opponent didn't know how to make overseers ^^
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 07 2011 16:47 GMT
#3
Haha, I've hada couple; Including one where I was down like around 80 supply, but I build up like 200/200 tank viking, and he amoved in. Then he bmed a ton, but that was jsut ridiculous.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 08 2011 07:04 GMT
#4
On May 08 2011 01:47 Froadac wrote:
Haha, I've hada couple; Including one where I was down like around 80 supply, but I build up like 200/200 tank viking, and he amoved in. Then he bmed a ton, but that was jsut ridiculous.



Yeah I like the BM after they show many flaws in their play from a winning position. Late LATE overseers and not scouting my hidden expansions.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
19:30
Patches' Patch Clash #7
RotterdaM416
Liquipedia
BSL
19:00
RO8 - Day 4
DragOn vs Dewalt
TerrOr vs OyAji
ZZZero.O333
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 416
JuggernautJason101
ProTech86
EmSc Tv 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30147
ZZZero.O 333
Dewaltoss 79
Zeus 57
NaDa 14
League of Legends
JimRising 434
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu437
Other Games
summit1g7183
tarik_tv5069
FrodaN4726
Grubby3829
gofns2616
Liquid`RaSZi2411
shahzam423
KnowMe330
QueenE83
kaitlyn21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1012
BasetradeTV76
StarCraft 2
angryscii 29
EmSc Tv 22
EmSc2Tv 22
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 49
• Reevou 10
• musti20045 2
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1951
• masondota21003
Other Games
• imaqtpie1166
• WagamamaTV410
• Shiphtur168
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h
Universe Titan Cup
14h
Rogue vs Percival
Wardi Open
15h
Monday Night Weeklies
19h
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 14h
GSL
2 days
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs Rogue
IPSL
5 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W8
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.