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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On April 11 2011 13:32 JWD wrote: yeah and demolish should go too. for the construction workers! You joke, but "owning" someone does relate to slavery. If you think rape should go, anything that could offend should go too. | ||
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mathemagician1986
Germany549 Posts
thanks man, I always love your blogs! | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:06 goiflin wrote: You joke, but "owning" someone does relate to slavery. If you think rape should go, anything that could offend should go too. This argument doesn't make any sense. Literally anything could offend. Instead, we should be removing things that actually offend; I think we'll have a hard enough time with that. And certainly there are more people offended by the word "rape" on this forum than the word "own", (as demonstrated by this thread and the previous thread on the use of "rape") and we should start by removing the more offensive features of our society before moving on to the lesser ones, right? Also when rape is used on the internet as in video game culture, there's no reason to assume it's referring to a man raping a woman. I'd bet it's about a man raping another man. I don't have any real reason to believe that except when a man tells another man he's going to rape you, it seems weird to assume he'd mean it in any other way. | ||
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fnaticNoname
India858 Posts
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potatoedoughnut
United States334 Posts
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Breadloaf
United States15 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:34 huameng wrote: This argument doesn't make any sense. Literally anything could offend. Instead, we should be removing things that actually offend; I think we'll have a hard enough time with that. And certainly there are more people offended by the word "rape" on this forum than the word "own", (as demonstrated by this thread and the previous thread on the use of "rape") and we should start by removing the more offensive features of our society before moving on to the lesser ones, right? Also when rape is used on the internet as in video game culture, there's no reason to assume it's referring to a man raping a woman. I'd bet it's about a man raping another man. I don't have any real reason to believe that except when a man tells another man he's going to rape you, it seems weird to assume he'd mean it in any other way. The argument is a counter-appeal to ridicule, showing that him ridiculing that idea, is ridiculous in itself. I personally don't use the word rape in this way, because I do feel like it may offend someone, but I don't want to push my judgements on other people, since I can't accurately say that they mean it in a mysoginistic way. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:36 Aberu wrote: The argument is a counter-appeal to ridicule, showing that him ridiculing that idea, is ridiculous in itself. I personally don't use the word rape in this way, because I do feel like it may offend someone, but I don't want to push my judgements on other people, since I can't accurately say that they mean it in a mysoginistic way. There is a difference between the argument "people are being offended by this, so you should stop saying it" and "people could be offended by this, so you should stop saying it" JWD is making the former argument, with regard to "rape", and the appeal to absurdity wrt "own" was of the form of the latter, so JWD's ridicule is not ridiculous. Well, it might be, but it being ridiculous doesn't mean the argument against "rape" is. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:45 huameng wrote: There is a difference between the argument "people are being offended by this, so you should stop saying it" and "people could be offended by this, so you should stop saying it" JWD is making the former argument, with regard to "rape", and the appeal to absurdity wrt "own" was of the form of the latter, so JWD's ridicule is not ridiculous. Well, it might be, but it being ridiculous doesn't mean the argument against "rape" is. The point is that JWD may influence some about the word, and that's good, but the name-calling, the obvious attempt to say that he isn't part of the problem that keeps women out of Teamliquid, and yet he is. There are just so many things wrong with him posting publicly about this, decrying so many people. He even posted an argument that he sorely lost against one of the "insensitively lazy" people. He basically said he had a right to be condescending, which is wrong, and he did say some presumptuous things about the person in question. Just the overall attitude, is bad. I feel by exposing the logical fallacies in his debate tactics, and his hypocritical actions (due to past postings of very potentially offensive videos and pictures), maybe he will settle down on the self-righteousness a bit. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Always interesting stuff to find in your blogs though  | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Glaven
Canada554 Posts
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:06 goiflin wrote: You joke, but "owning" someone does relate to slavery. If you think rape should go, anything that could offend should go too. Except here the etymology of the slang "owning" is that of hackers taking possession or control of someone's computer, which was very close to that of the traditional meaning of ownership. It gradually morphed from the hacker slang usages, such as writing "Owned" on a hacked and defaced website, into what is now its common slang usage in gaming and so on as a taunt for humiliation. The etymology of "rape" though would be exactly that of a fourteen year old internet thug trying to find a word to describe the greatness of that last headshot he landed on you, and the only parallel he can draw to your powerlessness is to that of brutal prison sodomy. And no, "rape" as gamer slang isn't entirely or harmlessly divorced from its meaning. You'll frequently see it in live reports or comments on other websites. "Oh man, he just got bent over and raped" or "He just had his way with him" and worse. The parallel to physical rape is almost always present. | ||
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duckett
United States589 Posts
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
nice post JWD! looking foward to more! | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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