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tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
March 28 2011 09:32 GMT
#41
For those of you who never saw rek's epic post on the subject:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342#1
Betrayed by EG.BuK
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 09:56:32
March 28 2011 09:55 GMT
#42
Idra isn't anymore like the undisputed, hands down best foreigner in the world. There are so many great guys out there right now, with far more momentum. What fuels Idra's attitude, even back in his BW days, is that he is brightly regarded as THE best. Ofc its all part of his character as I'm sure last night, ppl that tuned in to cheer for him were just as many as those who watched the TSL because they wanted to see Idra lose.
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HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
March 28 2011 11:01 GMT
#43
On March 28 2011 18:32 tyCe wrote:
For those of you who never saw rek's epic post on the subject:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342#1

To be fair, you should read Manifesto's epic post on the subject as well.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342&currentpage=31#611
If it were not so, I would have told you.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
March 28 2011 12:44 GMT
#44
Pretty sure EG.IdrA got what he had coming. Practice, shut your mouth, and play the game like CrunCher did. Don't make excuses for yourself just admit you weren't the better player and move on. I'm sick of all the BM and all the BM his fanboys bring. Start becoming a STARCRAFT fan and just enjoy the free, high end, amazing content that TL provides for us.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Wfat
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia108 Posts
March 28 2011 12:48 GMT
#45
This happens in every sport. Spectators blame the referees etc because they're rooting for their favourite team. It's just natural man, I love IdrA but you just gotta chill. MorroW, nony and qxc FIGHTING!!!
Zaxby
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
March 28 2011 18:57 GMT
#46
I for one was pleased the tournament is highly competitive between Koreans and Non Koreans. It adds interest to the tournament when the "underdogs" do well. Its good for E-Sports generally and its good for the TSL 3. Would Crunchers have lost 3-2 in a 5 game series or 4-3 in a 7 game series? Maybe. But, as someone pointed out, it was a three game series and won fair an square.

One thing I think the TSL has showed is that there are different styles of play which when put into the same game produce results that are"unexpected." But don't think even the biggest "lag influenced the game" believer could deny that Adellscott having 2/2 and eventually 2/3 upgrades against MVP's 1/1(maybe) upgrades was a major contributor to the victory. Similarly, QXC out upgraded and out expanded Genius(in the first game).

Maybe this is an example of stylistic differences in Korean v. Non Korean play. But it seems like it emphasis that strong fundamentals(upgrades and expanding properly) exhibited in at least the QXC/Adell games was a primary difference in the games along with what I would describe as some very innovate approaches to the match up by QXC and Adell.

TL:DR- Its good for the game to have diversity and for the results to be unpredictable.QXC and Adell didn't do anything other than play their own brand of macro game and won. Its not as if they 6 pooled or 4 gated.
well... the general rule is “don’t be an idiot.”
DoubleZee
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada556 Posts
March 28 2011 19:05 GMT
#47
Watching idra get stomped has been a top 5 SC2 moment for me. There's nothing like the big mouth favourite getting destroyed by the modest underdog.

Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
March 28 2011 19:51 GMT
#48
On March 28 2011 20:01 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 18:32 tyCe wrote:
For those of you who never saw rek's epic post on the subject:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342#1

To be fair, you should read Manifesto's epic post on the subject as well.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342&currentpage=31#611


Its almost like history repeats itself... the game may change but the player doesn't.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
March 28 2011 20:01 GMT
#49
On March 29 2011 04:51 ZeaL. wrote:
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On March 28 2011 20:01 HULKAMANIA wrote:
On March 28 2011 18:32 tyCe wrote:
For those of you who never saw rek's epic post on the subject:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342#1

To be fair, you should read Manifesto's epic post on the subject as well.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342&currentpage=31#611


Its almost like history repeats itself... the game may change but the player doesn't.


I cannot wait for the Day 4 recap and interview post to come out. It should be an amusing read.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
March 28 2011 20:23 GMT
#50
omg rekrul. you speak my mind!
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:10:41
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#51
It's not the people that hate on the winners, it's the overall hating and judging and reading to much into online BO3's. If player A wins over player B it doesn't mean that he is better, it definately does not mean that player A's nation is better than player B's nation, it doesn't mean that OMG LAG IS SO TERRIBLE or what have you. He won, and thats it.

Oh, and "If you're a better player, you win"? Sorry dude, thats ridiculous. That would mean that if two people playing each other, one of them wins 100%. There are a lot of factors that decide game of starcraft, and being the better player is only one of them.
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