On March 12 2011 18:18 Xstatic wrote: No offense OP, interesting post and I appreciate that it's under blogs, not under the general forum or news forum, but this is still a ridiculous story.
I'll consider the other side for a moment. "sunog"? Fire, in Filipino? If so, she doesn't need to say anything, she can just point at something and use her "powers" to set it on fire.
What really makes this look unrealistic is the camera shots; it's not like they had her stand on one side of a room, point at something and set it on fire. Things were on fire and they zoomed in on these things.
I'll provide an alternate possibility/explanation. It's called "magic," the deception of the senses using illusions.
I won't believe it but I won't discount it entirely. All I can trust is my gut feeling, and my gut feeling tells me you are one of TL's infamous trolls.
I'm happy that you don't "discount it entirely". However, calling me a troll is unwarranted. Apparently, me being a "probe-rank" is sufficient enough to call me "an infamous troll."
Ah yes, the prejudiced assumptions of forum veterans.
On March 12 2011 18:18 Raii wrote: Wow, then I guess it sucks to be you. Go ahead, be skeptical. Cute little attempt at being racist though.
You, my friend, are being an obnoxious OP. What knee-jerk reactions you have—people that disagree with me are idiots; people that mention a language by name are racists. Grow up, man.
On March 12 2011 18:13 Raii wrote: Yes. How closed-minded can you get? What, you think I'm not skeptical?
So, since you seem to think that this story is plausible, what sort of method do you think the child is using to set things on fire? What sort of forces are involved? Perhaps you think it has a religious significance?
That is exactly why I'm interested in this. It would be interesting to find out whether this is a hoax or not. No, I could care less about religion. Every supernatural occurrence in history that has been proven "true" always had a scientific explanation. Now if this kid can actually create fire, the best question would be, how? If not, what possible environmental factors can possibly contribute to a logical explanation to the "coincidence"?
if it was "proven true" then it wouldn't be supernatural...
"Being close-minded does not necessarily mean that you automatically BELIEVE everything you see/are told."
I think you mean being open-minded does not entail believing everything. OP, I've googled it repeatedly. No results. Send us a news article instead of a video that looks like it could have been staged and we can discuss something. Otherwise, without anything to discuss, you're only going to get skeptics and you'll spend your next 10 posts repeating "don't be skeptical until we get more evidence, it might be possible!"
You being probe-rank has nothing to do with how I view you as a poster. Only your words and actions do, and I find nothing wrong with either, so far.
In defense of us skeptics, though, 99.999999% of people on TL have been brought up to believe that fire is started with a match or a spark. So naturally we demand some kind of explanation or some more "data" to convince us. Until then, interesting article, enjoyed watching it and I'm glad the girl gets some media attention and that the news corporation is making more money, but the story itself has nothing to flesh it out.
Finally, like most skeptics and critics have said, the video quality + camera shots are all we have to go on. That, and the words of these people. Other than that it doesn't say much.
On March 12 2011 18:18 Raii wrote: Wow, then I guess it sucks to be you. Go ahead, be skeptical. Cute little attempt at being racist though.
You, my friend, are being an obnoxious OP. What knee-jerk reactions you have—people that disagree with me are idiots; people that mention a language by name are racists. Grow up, man.
Okay, I guess I'm just an obnoxious dude. Seriously though, I don't think I called anyone who disagreed "idiot". Re-read my posts please.
Since this thread is turning into a flame war, let's tone down here, shall we?
On March 12 2011 18:33 Xstatic wrote: "Being close-minded does not necessarily mean that you automatically BELIEVE everything you see/are told."
I think you mean being open-minded does not entail believing everything. OP, I've googled it repeatedly. No results. Send us a news article instead of a video that looks like it could have been staged and we can discuss something. Otherwise, without anything to discuss, you're only going to get skeptics and you'll spend your next 10 posts repeating "don't be skeptical until we get more evidence, it might be possible!"
You being probe-rank has nothing to do with how I view you as a poster. Only your words and actions do, and I find nothing wrong with either, so far.
In defense of us skeptics, though, 99.999999% of people on TL have been brought up to believe that fire is started with a match or a spark. So naturally we demand some kind of explanation or some more "data" to convince us. Until then, interesting article, enjoyed watching it and I'm glad the girl gets some media attention and that the news corporation is making more money, but the story itself has nothing to flesh it out.
Finally, like most skeptics and critics have said, the video quality + camera shots are all we have to go on. That, and the words of these people. Other than that it doesn't say much.
Agreed, being open-minded does not entail believe everything; but, it does entail considering possible sides to a subject.
Yes, I am aware that google does not yield results. All the articles pertaining to this are in Filipino, so English queries do not work.
The data is to follow, after scientific research/experiments have been conducted.
It's good to know that some people are able to dissect their stand. Majority of the skeptics just posted in a way synonymous to "LOL WEIRD STORY. HOAX LOLOLOL".
if it was "proven true" then it wouldn't be supernatural...
Correction: Supernatural, in a manner pertaining to the views people held towards the subject BEFORE scientific research has been conducted. You interpreted incorrectly.
On March 12 2011 18:40 prototype. wrote: If the fire casting process is as simple as pointing and saying a word, why do we only get video of it after something is set on fire?
Not to mention how odd that the family would own a video camera in such poor living conditions.
The video featuring the burning cloth was taken when the media came to the child's home. The video of the child's baptism in the church wasn't taken by the child's parents.
On March 12 2011 18:18 Raii wrote: Wow, then I guess it sucks to be you. Go ahead, be skeptical. Cute little attempt at being racist though.
You, my friend, are being an obnoxious OP. What knee-jerk reactions you have—people that disagree with me are idiots; people that mention a language by name are racists. Grow up, man.
Okay, I guess I'm just an obnoxious dude. Seriously though, I don't think I called anyone who disagreed "idiot". Re-read my posts please.
Since this thread is turning into a flame war, let's tone down here, shall we?
Here you are:
On March 12 2011 18:04 Raii wrote: I'm okay with people telling me that they are skeptical, however I find it extremely idiotic for people of your "intelligence level" to immediately dismiss this as a hoax.
You are the reason that this thread is "turning into a flame war." You responded negatively to anyone who doubts your extremely dubious story, and guess what? That's pretty much everyone. The tone in here is your doing.
it does entail considering possible sides to a subject.
Indeed, I've considered the following aspects in descending order:
1. Creative video editing 2.
The results yielded surprising results: the cloth Em-em had burned did not have any trace of fuel (Nitrogen, Oil, Methane etc)
?????? Someone's clueless. 3. Insight into tabloid marketing
The data is to follow, after scientific research/experiments have been conducted.
It's good to know that some people are able to dissect their stand. Majority of the skeptics just posted in a way synonymous to "LOL WEIRD STORY. HOAX LOLOLOL".
So...would you like to buy my perpetual motion machine?
Data/research to follow. Please don't call me a crackpot.
I wish she were here right now to "ignite" this flame war.
On March 12 2011 18:00 Xstatic wrote: I agree; I'm more worried about Japan at the moment, which is reeling from the earthquake+tsunami, and Libya, which is no longer the focus of international attention. The world is changing and I have no time for hoax videos 8]
This triggered the tone. I believe I called dismissing the videos as hoaxes as idiotic, not the poster.
I don't think I posted in an aggressive manner towards anyone until you had to point it out.
On March 12 2011 18:00 Xstatic wrote: I agree; I'm more worried about Japan at the moment, which is reeling from the earthquake+tsunami, and Libya, which is no longer the focus of international attention. The world is changing and I have no time for hoax videos 8]
This triggered the tone. I believe I called dismissing the videos as hoaxes as idiotic, not the poster.
I don't think I posted in an aggressive manner towards anyone until you had to point it out.
Just allow me to say that it's been a real pleasure talking with you. I hope that this thread continues to produce quality discussion, and I hope the attention that this event will inevitably draw from the international scientific community satisfies you with both its academic rigor and open-mindedness.
Well, in any case--besides X-Men, I do believe that JK Rowling wrote some quality work about telepathically induced firestarting (and explosions), perhaps that lends some precedence in the literature for Mr. Em-Em's "abilities"?
You should look into it. I heard it was a big hit and millions of people read her publications.
Just allow me to say that it's been a real pleasure talking with you. I hope that this thread continues to produce quality discussion, and I hope the attention that this event will inevitably draw from the international scientific community satisfies you with both its academic rigor and open-mindedness.
Same here.
Well, in any case--besides X-Men, I do believe that JK Rowling wrote some quality work about telepathically induced firestarting (and explosions), perhaps that lends some precedence in the literature for Mr. Em-Em's "abilities"?
You should look into it. I heard it was a big hit and millions of people read her publication.
Miss, not Mister. And indeed, I see you are highly knowledgeable about the topic. Thank you for your very insightful contribution.
I would love for this to be true, but are we looking at the same videos? o_o'' This is a cruel joke of a publicity stunt lol if this were real they wouldn't be doing these crappy camera angles and hiding the cloth while it's being "lit" and stuff.
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