• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:04
CET 02:04
KST 10:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest4
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review Ladder Map Matchup Stats BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
KPDH "Golden" as Squid Game…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1751 users

Least used observing tricks

Blogs > sztanpet
Post a Reply
sztanpet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hungary44 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 23:47:55
January 18 2011 23:18 GMT
#1
When watching streams, sometimes the thought "you could do that better" comes to mind,
here are the things I'm thinking of:

when following a unit, don't click on the portrait, hit ctrl-shift-f and now the unit is both on follow and you can click around, this auto-disengages when you move the camera by yourself, so its quite seemless.

If you're an observer, observing another observer, your are following his/her camera, thats given, but if you hit escape a few times to clear your current selection, the game will show you what your target has currently selected.
When watching replays I love to switch between the two players, just watching their persective and looking at what they're actually doing.

Things about the info tabs is subjective in the sense, that Day[9] doesn't use them very much, and that is a conscious decision according to himself.
What do you think?

Edit: the default keybind for follow was wrong, its not ctrl-alt-f, its ctrl-shift-f

*
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
January 18 2011 23:54 GMT
#2
What ? I thought it was ctrl + f only. >_< They changed it on the new version ?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
101TFP
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
420 Posts
January 18 2011 23:57 GMT
#3
There still are some people who push the mouse to the edges of the screen to move around, which is super annoying as a viewer.
Holding middle mouse button + moving the mouse around is so much smoother, which also applies for playing the game.
People get what they get, this has nothing to do with what they deserve.
god deezy yo
Profile Joined November 2010
49 Posts
January 19 2011 00:19 GMT
#4
you actually can't see what another observer is selecting, only the players, unless they've changed it.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
January 19 2011 01:06 GMT
#5
On January 19 2011 08:57 101TFP wrote:
There still are some people who push the mouse to the edges of the screen to move around, which is super annoying as a viewer.
Holding middle mouse button + moving the mouse around is so much smoother, which also applies for playing the game.

The arrow keys do the exact same thing right?
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
January 19 2011 01:10 GMT
#6
I'd love to see first-person cameras from time to time, even if its during macro moments I'd love it even more if it was from their actual computer and not from the observer follow screen, so that you can see the mouse cursor, but either would be fine.
beep beep boop
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
January 19 2011 01:20 GMT
#7
I really wish artosis and tasteless would use the "units lost" tab more early game
Special Tactics
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
January 19 2011 01:45 GMT
#8
On January 19 2011 10:20 Glaven wrote:
I really wish artosis and tasteless would use the "units lost" tab more early game


Tastosis doesn't control the camera anymore; the observer does.

The observer does use Follow quite a bit on scouting workers etc; I like that.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 19 2011 02:51 GMT
#9
On January 19 2011 08:18 sztanpet wrote:
When watching streams, sometimes the thought "you could do that better" comes to mind,
here are the things I'm thinking of:

when following a unit, don't click on the portrait, hit ctrl-shift-f and now the unit is both on follow and you can click around, this auto-disengages when you move the camera by yourself, so its quite seemless.

If you're an observer, observing another observer, your are following his/her camera, thats given, but if you hit escape a few times to clear your current selection, the game will show you what your target has currently selected.
When watching replays I love to switch between the two players, just watching their persective and looking at what they're actually doing.

Things about the info tabs is subjective in the sense, that Day[9] doesn't use them very much, and that is a conscious decision according to himself.
What do you think?

Edit: the default keybind for follow was wrong, its not ctrl-alt-f, its ctrl-shift-f


I want to write a huge rant on the info tabs, especially the Production tab. In short however, I believe that the Production tab is a bad thing, and should very rarely be used in televised games (it's great for learning purposes though). All the other tabs are of very limited use, and quite situational- for the most part I think they are just a distraction from the game.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
January 19 2011 03:13 GMT
#10
I want to know why there isn't a hotkey for the unit-follow camera yet :|
starleague forever
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
January 20 2011 20:27 GMT
#11
On January 19 2011 11:51 emperorchampion wrote:

I want to write a huge rant on the info tabs, especially the Production tab. In short however, I believe that the Production tab is a bad thing, and should very rarely be used in televised games (it's great for learning purposes though). All the other tabs are of very limited use, and quite situational- for the most part I think they are just a distraction from the game.


can you please elaborate? because i do not agree at all. the production tab is a great tool to observe transitioning that is going on (for example). army tab shows supply and corresponding army value at once. income tab shows current worker count and gained minerals per whatever unit, probably ingame minute.



@follow-camera discussion:

ctrl+f follow the unit while as long as you hold down the keys (=click on portrait).
ctrl+shift+f toggles unit follow.

mhk?
@nowSimon
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
January 20 2011 22:57 GMT
#12
Hmm interesting tip, hope more people use it.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
PiGosaur Cup #54
CranKy Ducklings91
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft447
Nathanias 90
RuFF_SC2 73
Vindicta 27
Dota 2
monkeys_forever385
capcasts240
PGG 145
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear3
Counter-Strike
adren_tv168
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor110
Other Games
summit1g10130
Grubby2521
C9.Mang0253
WinterStarcraft181
Skadoodle91
ArmadaUGS52
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1490
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta27
• musti20045 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21923
League of Legends
• Doublelift5102
• Stunt71
• Hupsaiya61
Other Games
• tFFMrPink 9
Upcoming Events
Epic.LAN
10h 57m
BSL Team A[vengers]
12h 57m
Dewalt vs ZeLoT
UltrA vs ZeLoT
LAN Event
12h 57m
BSL 21
17h 57m
BSL Team A[vengers]
1d 12h
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
LAN Event
1d 13h
BSL 21
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.