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Once someone told me that if there was something irritating me and there was nobody to talk to then I should write it down. I have done that before and it seems to work. My most notable work of this kind is a letter I wrote to me ex-girlfriend. It was written to her but I never meant to give it to her. I never did give it to her and that's a good thing because it probably would have made her cry. This is me writing out my slowly calming frustration and an invitation for anyone else to do the same. But I couldn't care less your opinion about whether Idra should or should not be on some poll that will be forgotten about in a week or so.
ANYWAY, the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=181427 was about how GosuGamers had a poll for the best Starcraft II person of the year but they did not want to include Idra because they had this thing and then he did the other thing and then people k kl fh hasdjkghsjakgnasdglasdjhg...
It was a crazy thread where Zelniq changed the title for kicks and everyone was jumping in to support Idra and rage against the Gosu people and make logical arguments and other shit.
This brings back the memory of the first thread I ever created here on Team Liquid. I called it "Writing Over Reading." It wasn't the best original post ever made and it wasn't a very popular thread. However, I still believe I made a good point about how people read something and even if they read the entire post they still usually throw down whatever the first emotion they felt as they read. People do this when they speak too. It's the old "Do you listen, or wait to speak" thing.
This thread was a great example of emotional posting. When I first read the post I wanted to correct an error that the original poster made saying there was only one North American (Huk) on the list for GosuGamers player of the year. I just wanted to point out that qxc was an American. Then people started to discuss the Idra ordeal and the bad blood between him and GosuGamers. I had pretty much brushed that whole issue aside when I first read the post. So second post in the thread was already the 62nd reply on the fourth page saying, "I just want to know why GosuGamers took this issue the way they did? What is THEIR point of view?" I'm pretty sure my question was completely ignored by dozens of Idra supporters and newly turned GosuGamer haters. I don't really care if you love Idra, hate Idra, love GosuGamers, or hate Gosu Gamers. I just wanted to find out the other side of the story.
Holy shit, it was a prime example of fast, emotionally fueled posting. I posted again later on just saying that the whole thing was not really a big deal but people were still trash talking the GosuGamers poll around then. Shortly after my last post, the thread was closed by Nazgul after saying, "Unbelievable none of you guys have bothered to look for an explanation from gosugamers and judge them so easily nonetheless. Get a clue."
Maybe he was talking about people asking GosuGamers directly. But damn that's when my frustration kicked in. I was trying to figure out why they would feel that way and not want Idra in their poll. My mom always told me there were two sides to every story and I was just curious. I had no emotional outburst until the thread was closed and I felt like I was trying to be sensible and most other people were not. Then the worst part of this entire situation is that I feel like a 13 year old girl writing in her journal after a rough day at school where one of the popular girls made a hurtful joke about my new haircut. Is that even what girls make fun of each other for?
Well, shit. I have rambled enough. There is a good chance I could have organized this and made it somewhat readable, but that would not align with my goal of writing it. I wanted to not care about that stuff and just get down my thoughts before I go to bed. And now I will go to bed without having to worry about the threat of having demented dreams of Idra, GosuGamers, and the legion of Team Liquid crazies.
P.S. I still love you TL. At least for now.
 
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Gosugamers:
IdrA signed up for the Holiday special, qualified for final 8 but then in pure calculated spite against GG.net, he showed up to let us know he was not going to play. We´re not saying he´s not a good player, or maybe even the greatest, but if you´re here to spoil the hard work that we´re putting in for free for you guys (in fact spending €500 on in addition to hard work) then you do not deserve to be on the list.
He was banned from the site as a User and was given a second chance after 2 years and that's how it went.
So he's disqualified from all considerations and its just as simple as that, please accept it and either vote on the other guys and write it off as the non-idra awards or dont, its your free choice as human beings.
Idra:
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.
Bottom line there are always two sides to every story. I think it is impossible for us to know exactly what happened so we'll just have to accept that the truth is somewhere in the middle. That means, to protect your blog from becoming another shitfest, if people are going to speculate on whichever side was right about the original incident without any good reasoning they are going to be warned or banned.
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Gosugamers banned idra so they should have declined his signing from the beginning. Instead, idra realised in the midst of it all that he was banned before gosugamers could realise which is rather incompetent on gosugamers' behalf.
Also, Idra being that the person that he is (charging $150/hr lessons), it seems rather suspicious that he would throw away potential prize money like that. Idra does seem like the type of person to act on impulse, but he never lets it get in the way of his practical success (which is why you don't see him BMing in real life).
Unless i am missing something, this is just gosugamers are the one who are at fault.
User was temp banned for this post and a history of warnings and bans.
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Holy shit, it was a prime example of fast, emotionally fueled posting. I posted again later on just saying that the whole thing was not really a big deal but people were still trash talking the GosuGamers poll around then. Shortly after my last post, the thread was closed by Nazgul after saying, "Unbelievable none of you guys have bothered to look for an explanation from gosugamers and judge them so easily nonetheless. Get a clue."
Maybe he was talking about people asking GosuGamers directly. But damn that's when my frustration kicked in. I was trying to figure out why they would feel that way and not want Idra in their poll. My mom always told me there were two sides to every story and I was just curious. I had no emotional outburst until the thread was closed and I felt like I was trying to be sensible and most other people were not. Then the worst part of this entire situation is that I feel like a 13 year old girl writing in her journal after a rough day at school where one of the popular girls made a hurtful joke about my new haircut. Is that even what girls make fun of each other for?
First of all, Gosugamers posted their side of the story several times in their thread. You could have read any of the number of posts in which they delve into the situation. That info was out there, don't know why you had so much trouble finding it. I agree with Nazgul about the original "incident" between GG and IdrA, and regardless of who was right or wrong (truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as Nazgul said) this entire situation could have been avoided by including him in the poll. No one would have been up in arms about why he was included in a poll of the best foreign players in the world. In fact, it's expected that he'd be there. In fact, NOT having him there is such a glaring omission that it was SURE to be discussed. And GG.net knew this, which is why their first post after the poll was a preemptive answer to the "Where is IdrA?" question. Him not being there appears to be a purposeful stirring of the pot to either increase views or put a spotlight on the entire situation, and this kind of decision making is what many people took issue with.
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From everlast (GG), this might fill in some of the holes.
#115 - I think that anytime you assume or presume something, you should be a bit more humble and include "I think" or "I guess" or something like that.
You are making a statement without facts. IdrA did a random sign-up for one of our events, and then proceeded to qualify for the top 8. On the day of top 8 he decided to turn an old childish vendetta into "oh I guess since I am banned from GG as a member I cant play the tournament"
Well guess what? It´s two different things, and I would think that´d be obvious on its own since we allowed him to play the qualification.
It just comes down to childish sentiments that go back 2-3 years as I understand it. But pulling that stunt in one of our events, intentionally, he did earn him himself a ban indefinitely, to compete in our events.
We´re trying to build up eSports here, having ego-maniacs come in and spoil it for everyone is not aiding our efforts. We run a pro-bono organisation and our admins dedicate their time to provide everyone who comes here (whether for content or tournaments) with things to enjoy. Are we perfect? No, but please keep your accusations straight. If in doubt, ask.
Assumption is the mother of all f-ups
It seems Idra was indeed "banned" around 2 years ago which coincides with the updated explanation. There seems to be some miscommunication here however.
Personal Harrassment @ 3 years ago
Insulting member. @ 3 years ago
Insulting staff. @ 3 years ago
2nd time insulting staff - 2 weeks lock @ 3 years ago
2 accounts - extended to 1 month lock @ 3 years ago
trolling news. perm lock. @ 2 years ago
If what everlast says is true, I respect his decision.
Why?
1) It is titled "GosuGamers Awards 2010: Best Non-Korean of the Year". It's their award, they can decide who to nominate. If you don't like it, make your own poll or just don't vote (and they have stated this in the comments). No one is enforcing/claiming that the results of this poll are absolute about who was the best sc player this year.
2) Let's say I create my own "starcraft of the year award" and one of the potential nominees calls me a useless piece of shit. Am I going to nominate this guy even if he is definitely worthy of nomination skill wise? I think it's quite obvious. This is my award, why would I hand it to some guy who just insulted me? GG clearly felt they were disrespected in this situation.
Anyways I think people are being deliberately controversial about this for no good reason.
Heck people are going crazy over this when I doubt even Idra cares he's on some GG "player of the year" award or w/e
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Its their award. 'GOSUGAMERS Best Non-Kr Player'
They can in/exclude anyone they want.
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I can't see gosugamers trying to promote esports if they are actually so petty that idra just screwed a tournament then decided that they would remove him cause he did that.
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There are still voices of reason, sometimes, faintly... Thanks AirbladeOrange, Liquid`Nazgul, JoeSchmoe.
Didn't know about the poll or the thread, but reading it now it's a pretty sad sight and that even TL representatives/staff have no shame and happily fall to that same level and join the 'fun' is disillusioning. But it's good to know the people around you. Thankfully Nazgul saved the day. Twice.
5 star blog for honesty and prudence, although I won't hold a candle to the army of emotional apes.
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Im glad they excluded IdrA. Just throughing that out there
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Those awards include more than just skills/results. There's also a sportsmanship side to those awards. They've always been there.
Quoting from 2006 awards: "Is awarded to an individual who has superior gaming technique, good manners and displays great sportsmanship."
Now I like IdrA, but that doesn't exactly sound like him, hehe.
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"gosugamers hosting a foreign player of the year award, everyone should go vote for ret! http://bit.ly/hBRAlb 17 minutes ago via web "
-Idrajit
Ironical stab at gg
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Post #9 on GG:
As I said, the voting will be fixed soon, sorry about that. This is a note to all of you; please don't ask "why isn't this guy here?" and stuff like that, picking the nominees hasn't been easy, but after a long consideration, these are the players we decided to go with, for the reasons stated in the article  So instead of asking for your favorite player if he isn't there, praise the nominees instead!
In my mind, this pretty much summarizes it all. They nominated the players for whatever reason, and those are the players you get to vote for. Even if Idra wasn't included in the poll for the reason given, he could've been NOT nominated for any other number of reasons.
This is like watching the final contestants of American Idol and saying, "Where is so and so?" The judges pick who gets to be in the finals, and America votes for who actually wins (if I'm not mistaken, I don't follow American Idol much). If you're not happy with that, don't vote. Not trying to be rude, but I think that's pretty plain and simple.
On a side note: They didn't include Brat_OK so I almost didn't vote, but went with Huk instead.
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Ignoring the poll and GG for now and focusing on the OP i think you bring up an interesting point.
Quite often when you read something you get stuck at one tine part of the whole that you feel you just have to comment on, grammar-nazis (er... hope that term not taken as offensive here) are the most obvious example. One of my IRL-friends is a self-proclaimed grammar-nazi and he sees it as a big problem, when reading a long nice OP if there is a small error in the second sentence that overrules the rest of the content, like a big neon sign in his head flashing "ITS YOU'RE".
So instead of replying to the point of the post, even if it is a really nice insightful post he ends up replying with a one-liner that adds absolutely nothing the the thread. He is well aware of this and is actively trying to ignore his brains first instict and focus on the overlying point of the post. Same thing for plenty of Americans and "QXC" in that thread.
Actually, you see it pretty much all over the place, i bet i could find examples of it in every single thread here at TL.net. That is part of the reason i like it when the mods crack down on posters who only post one-liners, since one-liners quite often is a prime example of this.
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I don't think it really matters anymore. The news got out and ran it's course; few people are going to take this poll as anything more than a European popularity contest.
It's negative publicity for putting personal opinion above objectivity.
What this does is start to cement GosuGamers as *not* being a Starcraft "authority" or hub like Team Liquid, at least in my mind. GosuGamers is being shown more and more to be unprofessional both as its members and as an organization.
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I think I may have a had a little part in Idra getting banned from there so now I feel terrible.
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On January 03 2011 23:34 Zerokaiser wrote:
I don't think it really matters anymore. The news got out and ran it's course; few people are going to take this poll as anything more than a European popularity contest.
It's negative publicity for putting personal opinion above objectivity.
What this does is start to cement GosuGamers as *not* being a Starcraft "authority" or hub like Team Liquid, at least in my mind. GosuGamers is being shown more and more to be unprofessional both as its members and as an organization.
This is an example of why TL.net is going down hill.......actually that whole thread the OP was talking about and a lot of responses in this thread really...really have disappointed me about TL.
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On January 03 2011 23:34 Zerokaiser wrote:
I don't think it really matters anymore. The news got out and ran it's course; few people are going to take this poll as anything more than a European popularity contest.
It's negative publicity for putting personal opinion above objectivity.
What this does is start to cement GosuGamers as *not* being a Starcraft "authority" or hub like Team Liquid, at least in my mind. GosuGamers is being shown more and more to be unprofessional both as its members and as an organization.
I read the replies of teamliquid staffers in the related thread and came to the opposite conclusion. Teamliquid is pretty much uncontested, but that makes it even more despicable to kick the one that is already weaker than you, especially without considering the reasons for his "misbehaviour" fairly. Really only Nazgul hitting the breaks there.
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On January 04 2011 00:18 Trowabarton756 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 23:34 Zerokaiser wrote:
I don't think it really matters anymore. The news got out and ran it's course; few people are going to take this poll as anything more than a European popularity contest.
It's negative publicity for putting personal opinion above objectivity.
What this does is start to cement GosuGamers as *not* being a Starcraft "authority" or hub like Team Liquid, at least in my mind. GosuGamers is being shown more and more to be unprofessional both as its members and as an organization.
This is an example of why TL.net is gone down hill.......actually that whole thread the OP was talking about and a lot of responses in this thread really...really have disappointed me about TL.
Comments like this make me wonder if people even know the history between the two sites
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There's always 2 sides of the story.
Lets face it, IdrA is a big name.
People love to hate him.
He will draw a crowd.
No wonder GG got a little butthurt after he forfeited his spot, but ALL THIS DRAMA?
What are we in fuckin high school?
Come on people, grow the fuck up. Shit happens, time to move on.
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Because being a dick makes you less of a good player.
This proves in my opinion that GG.net is biased instead of setting aside their own feelings for players and actually let the voters decide who is the best player. Tho it's their decision and I think people should care less considering we all know what IdrA achieved and an award from a site that doesn't nominate people they don't like isn't worth anything anyways.
Imagine the TL Power Rank without Jaedong because the admins don't like him, should say enough about the credibility of such ranking.
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