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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
I favor wildstyle and tags but occasionally I'll venture into wheatpaste and stenciling. I had a serious spurt of inspiration with my StarCraft friends here and decided to take a knife to a paper plate. Here's the result on a pizza box! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m183/theroninexe/1212101744.jpg)   | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Now start vandalizing your school! | ||
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Celestii
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
On December 13 2010 08:42 Celestii wrote: Graffti is nothing but vandalism. Graffiti is the art of rebellion - check out guys like above or d-face. I fucking love Street Art, its a great form of expressing your thoughts on society, of being creative and addressing pop culture problems. Simply put, you are just out there - ppl see you. Graffiti is very influential, if it has the right message presented in the most creative, but easy for the guy on the street to understand, way possible. DivinO, thats really really cool. Keep it up | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On December 13 2010 08:52 disciple wrote: Graffiti is the art of rebellion - check out guys like above or d-face. I fucking love Street Art, its a great form of expressing your thoughts on society, of being creative and addressing pop culture problems. Simply put, you are just out there - ppl see you. Graffiti is very influential, if it has the right message presented in the most creative, but easy for the guy on the street to understand, way possible. DivinO, thats really really cool. Keep it up Unless the OP is getting permission before spray-painting people's walls, it is vandalism, and calling it "Street Art" is not going to change that. | ||
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disciple
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
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disciple
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![[image loading]](http://api.ning.com/files/Ku5TphpPMPcNye8bRO9uPSOHCpvW-vlswol5Uujia94LGSZl411od-0Uk3kSBCi1LD9ZigL4oN-JLofPGTguHPNAuU4ukHdO/RobinHoodPrint.jpg) 2. Made against the will of the property owner and without the support of the state - vandalism is that what you are trying to say ? | ||
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TheHatterisMad
Canada20 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On December 13 2010 09:12 disciple wrote: 1. Made with the support of the local police and the owner of the property - Street art 2. Made against the will of the property owner and without the support of the state - vandalism is that what you are trying to say ? OK I don't know what your deal is but you need to read my post. Doing something that's prohibited by law as an act of rebellion does not entitle the result to be called "Art." I'm gonna stand by that because in my eyes rebellion does not make something artful. Lighting a car on fire is not artful. At least not when it's someone else's car.Nowhere did I say that Street Art can't exist. Now, in regards to the image above I would say that one is vandalism and the other is not. That much is obvious. Whether or not either of them is art is up to the individual on the street to decide, but if you are implying that the illegal one is more art than the legal one, i'm worried for you. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
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OpRaider
United States307 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On December 13 2010 09:07 gogogadgetflow wrote: Destroying or defacing private or public property is against the law, yes. It's also vandalism. I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. Doing something that's prohibited by law as an act of rebellion does not entitle the result to be called "Art." .... Illegal = Not art? | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
... Wrong and not what I said at all. Maybe you don't have top notch english comprehension but give me a break. On December 13 2010 09:29 disciple wrote: so then you see vandalism purely as act of behavior. I mean if the picture explicitly said "made with the support of the owner and the local police" you were going to look at it in an entirely different way. am I right? I didn't post in this thread to be an art critic. I'm here to point out that altering people's property without their permission is vandalism. Not only is it against reasonable laws in most countries but most level-headed people will agree that vandalism is not a cool thing to do to your fellow man. The most direct answer I can give to your question is that I'm actually going to look at the "artist" in an entirely different way, and the "art" perhaps slightly differently. I'm not really interested in continuing with this interrogation either. | ||
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canucks12
Canada812 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
keep it up! would love to see some extended work on other races/units | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On December 13 2010 09:41 gogogadgetflow wrote: ... Wrong and not what I said at all. Give me a break. dont worry, I really see where are you coming from, I really do, but that was not my point saying graffiti is the art of rebellion. If you look at graffiti as an act of behavior, then you are absolutely right - just like making a sculpture is nothing more than shaping up a stone or another material. But in both cases I see graffiti and making sculptures as a way to express artistic thought, not as an activity. Vandalism is an activity and I dont see graffiti as an activity, its a tool, its means of saying something. Thats the way street artists see their work, thats the way ppl who enjoy it, look at it. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On December 13 2010 09:12 disciple wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1. Made with the support of the local police and the owner of the property - Street art 2. Made against the will of the property owner and without the support of the state - vandalism is that what you are trying to say ? you can almost replicate your analogy with euthansia killed with the support law = mercy? killed without the support law = murder? | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
I dont see graffiti as an activity, its a tool, its means of saying something Perhaps this dissociation alleviates the guilt you would otherwise feel from being a public burden. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On December 13 2010 10:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Disciple, please read my last post because I edited in some more. Perhaps this dissociation alleviates the guilt you would otherwise feel from being a public burden. most of the great graffiti artists are pretty damn good with simple pen and paper, they are using the color sprays because with them, they can reach a brighter audience. is it illegal ? yes ? should that devalue the art itself ? I think not. Many of the top street artists are already on the "other side of the fence", not only they are not chased by the law as ppl who violated public property and as criminals, but they are actually getting paid by different organizations and encouraged to put their work in the public. The end product is absolutely the same as before. And btw how can you tell apart blowing up a building as an act of terrorism and as act of social revolution? I thought about the ending of Fight Club for some reason. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
Infamy (2005) is a good documentary that follows a few different kinds of writers in different parts of the US to give you some what of an idea. Graffiti is illegal and the majority of it is damage and crime but there is always bad that comes with the good in anything. Skateboarding/biking/blading are some other examples. PS- Here is a 200 foot piece in the LA River (which is basically a disgusting ugly place), is this work bothering anyone? I honestly think the crime is the city paying 600$ for each can of paint to buff it. http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/seanbonner/3887856511/ | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
On December 13 2010 14:48 SpoR wrote: I've watched a lot of graffiti documentaries and movies and there is a lot of illegal that has to be done in order to get to the level where you can move onto legal. You can't just all the sudden come out and be notarized and recognized and sell your work if you haven't made a name for yourself in the streets. Infamy (2005) is a good documentary that follows a few different kinds of writers in different parts of the US to give you some what of an idea. Graffiti is illegal and the majority of it is damage and crime but there is always bad that comes with the good in anything. Skateboarding/biking/blading are some other examples. PS- Here is a 200 foot piece in the LA River (which is basically a disgusting ugly place), is this work bothering anyone? I honestly think the crime is the city paying 600$ for each can of paint to buff it. http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/seanbonner/3887856511/ Ur back? | ||
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WOBbit
21 Posts
On December 13 2010 08:44 jamesr12 wrote: google banksy it is hard to call what he does vandalism, this on the other hand would be 100% vandalism spray painting is just a medium, it's unfair to immediately associate that medium with vandalism. This is not 100% vandalism, it was done on a pizza box we bought from a pizzeria; the stencil was made from a paper plate Divino bought and the image was created with spray paint he legally bought. Nothing about this is vandalism. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
Sick stencil yo ^_^. | ||
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
*TL manages to derail it into an arguement* Oh TL, you really can turn anything into a debate. | ||
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