So I'm a graffiti enthusiast, and I'm not the best there is.

I favor wildstyle and tags but occasionally I'll venture into wheatpaste and stenciling.

I had a serious spurt of inspiration with my StarCraft friends here and decided to take a knife to a paper plate.

Here's the result on a pizza box!
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Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

December 12 2010 23:04 GMT

that's awesome!

Now start vandalizing your school!

Celestii

18 Posts

December 12 2010 23:42 GMT

Graffti is nothing but vandalism.

jamesr12

United States1549 Posts

December 12 2010 23:44 GMT

google banksy it is hard to call what he does vandalism, this on the other hand would be 100% vandalism

disciple

9071 Posts

December 12 2010 23:52 GMT

On December 13 2010 08:42 Celestii wrote:
Graffti is nothing but vandalism.

Graffiti is the art of rebellion - check out guys like above or d-face. I fucking love Street Art, its a great form of expressing your thoughts on society, of being creative and addressing pop culture problems. Simply put, you are just out there - ppl see you. Graffiti is very influential, if it has the right message presented in the most creative, but easy for the guy on the street to understand, way possible.

DivinO, thats really really cool. Keep it up

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

December 13 2010 00:01 GMT

On December 13 2010 08:52 disciple wrote:

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Unless the OP is getting permission before spray-painting people's walls, it is vandalism, and calling it "Street Art" is not going to change that.

disciple

9071 Posts

December 13 2010 00:04 GMT

why? because you are doing smth thats prohibited by the law ?

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

December 13 2010 00:07 GMT

Destroying or defacing private or public property is against the law, yes. It's also vandalism. I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. Doing something that's prohibited by law as an act of rebellion does not entitle the result to be called "Art."

disciple

9071 Posts

December 13 2010 00:12 GMT

1. Made with the support of the local police and the owner of the property - Street art
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2. Made against the will of the property owner and without the support of the state - vandalism
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is that what you are trying to say ?

TheHatterisMad

Canada20 Posts

December 13 2010 00:19 GMT

#10

I think you're drawing a false dichotomy there, its not either street art or vandalism. Street art made against the will of the property owner is definitely filed under vandalism as well. Sure it can look nice and display powerful meaning, but what of the owner of the property? they now have a defaced wall and depending on whether they want to keep it or not they may have to pay for the cleanup and restoration cost. Graffiti can be beautiful but its oftentimes at the expense of an innocent individual who had no say in the matter.

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

December 13 2010 00:22 GMT

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On December 13 2010 09:12 disciple wrote:
1. Made with the support of the local police and the owner of the property - Street art
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2. Made against the will of the property owner and without the support of the state - vandalism
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is that what you are trying to say ?

OK I don't know what your deal is but you need to read my post.

Doing something that's prohibited by law as an act of rebellion does not entitle the result to be called "Art."

I'm gonna stand by that because in my eyes rebellion does not make something artful. Lighting a car on fire is not artful. At least not when it's someone else's car.

Nowhere did I say that Street Art can't exist. Now, in regards to the image above I would say that one is vandalism and the other is not. That much is obvious. Whether or not either of them is art is up to the individual on the street to decide, but if you are implying that the illegal one is more art than the legal one, i'm worried for you.

disciple

9071 Posts

December 13 2010 00:29 GMT

#12

so then you see vandalism purely as act of behavior. I mean if the picture explicitly said "made with the support of the owner and the local police" you were going to look at it in an entirely different way. am I right?

OpRaider

United States307 Posts

December 13 2010 00:35 GMT

#13

It's on a pizza box guys, chill.

OmgIRok

Taiwan2699 Posts

December 13 2010 00:39 GMT

#14

On December 13 2010 09:07 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Destroying or defacing private or public property is against the law, yes. It's also vandalism. I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. Doing something that's prohibited by law as an act of rebellion does not entitle the result to be called "Art."

.... Illegal = Not art?

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

December 13 2010 00:41 GMT

#15

On December 13 2010 09:39 OmgIRok wrote:

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.... Illegal = Not art?

... Wrong and not what I said at all. Maybe you don't have top notch english comprehension but give me a break.

On December 13 2010 09:29 disciple wrote:
so then you see vandalism purely as act of behavior. I mean if the picture explicitly said "made with the support of the owner and the local police" you were going to look at it in an entirely different way. am I right?

I didn't post in this thread to be an art critic. I'm here to point out that altering people's property without their permission is vandalism. Not only is it against reasonable laws in most countries but most level-headed people will agree that vandalism is not a cool thing to do to your fellow man.

The most direct answer I can give to your question is that I'm actually going to look at the "artist" in an entirely different way, and the "art" perhaps slightly differently. I'm not really interested in continuing with this interrogation either.

canucks12

Canada812 Posts

December 13 2010 00:42 GMT

#16

That's pretty neat. Would be cool to see. Hopefully somewhere discreet or acceptable - like at a skate park

Doraemon

Australia14949 Posts

December 13 2010 00:47 GMT

#17

great stencil

keep it up! would love to see some extended work on other races/units

disciple

9071 Posts

December 13 2010 00:48 GMT

#18

On December 13 2010 09:41 gogogadgetflow wrote:

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... Wrong and not what I said at all. Give me a break.

dont worry, I really see where are you coming from, I really do, but that was not my point saying graffiti is the art of rebellion. If you look at graffiti as an act of behavior, then you are absolutely right - just like making a sculpture is nothing more than shaping up a stone or another material. But in both cases I see graffiti and making sculptures as a way to express artistic thought, not as an activity. Vandalism is an activity and I dont see graffiti as an activity, its a tool, its means of saying something. Thats the way street artists see their work, thats the way ppl who enjoy it, look at it.