• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:37
CEST 04:37
KST 11:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL54Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Korean Starcraft League Week 77 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Unit and Spell Similarities Help: rep cant save
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 690 users

[DoB] Enter the BabyToss version!

Blogs > Baby Protoss
Post a Reply
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
December 12 2010 15:35 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

It's a little over a week since my very first entry of my own version of 'Diamond or Bust' blog. I was hoping to write it a bit earlier, although being slightly busy kind of prevented me from doing so. On plus side, at least I got some nifty PC upgrades. Enough of that though. I'll try to write up a small summary of the ladder games I played.

Baby steps first

In my last post, I kind of touched how hard for me was to even try ladder games in the first place. The reason being, was my strong fear of failing yet again, the fact that I get very tense and nervous during these games and thus, it makes it hard to play them, win them or even to learn anything. But, after I made conscious decision to change myself not only as a StarCraft2 player, but also as a person, trying to go through with my dreams and plans without giving up because of failures and lack of self-confidence.

This is why I promised to myself to play 3 ladder games/day for now. Now, I know some of you would say it's way too little, but I have to start somehow. So far, I have very little to no confidence about my gameplay at all. I mostly spent playing against people in my friendlist; and they all are already quite advanced. They range from Gold to Diamond level so no wonder I suck when I play against them.

Summary

My W/L ratio & Rank week ago:

5 wins
8 loses
Total 13 games

These games were played prior to my wish to actually go ahead and play 3 games/day. Also, 5 of them were my placement matches, from which I lost 3 and won just two, placing at the very bottom of the Bronze league. Games beyond placement matches were played like a month ago and I got beaten mostly by cheese. It made me to throw the laddering away for a while again. I felt tired and discouraged, because despite of efforts to try and learn the fundamentals of the game, I could be beaten easily by cheesers, who usually don't need to put much effort into their games. I felt like I wasted my time, unhappy with myself and seemingly lack of any progress.

New beginning!

I started my laddering games on Tuesday; 7th December. Originally wanted to start on Monday, but EU Bnet was down so I couldn't really play. Well, I could, but only on my US account but that'd obviously wouldn't count towards my EU stuff, so I just dropped it that day and didn't play at all, because my US account lacks friends to play with/against.

Games Summary

Tuesday; 7th December
Games played: 3
2 wins
1 loss

Wednesday; 8th December
Games played: 3
2 wins
1 loss

Thursday; 9th December
Games played: 3
2 wins
1 loss

Friday; 10th December
Games played: 3
1 win
2 losses

Match-up statistics

vs Protoss:
3 games
1 win
2 losses

vs Zerg:
2 games

2 wins

vs Terran:
7 games

4 wins
3 lossses

I haven't played any games on Saturday at all, because I upgraded my PC on that day and had to completelly reinstall my system.

Maps:

Jungle Basin - 3 games
Metalopolis - 3 games
Scrap Station - 2 games
Xel'Naga Caverns - 3 games
Blistering sands - 1 game

Note: Maps voted against for my ladder games:

Lost Temple
Shakuras Plateau
Delta Quadrant

My overall W/L after first 12 ladder matches

12 wins
13 losses

My W/L ratio from this week only:

7 wins
5 losses

Yes, overally speaking, I'm still at negative ratio but I'm trying hard to stay positive while doing this. I somehow managed to fix the W/L at least a bit, compared to what it looked like a week ago, so I'll take that for small success.

General Observations

The way I feel during my ladder matches highly affects how well or how bad I perform. My first ladder game this week was terrible to the point when I was trembling, my heart was pounding and I even managed to misclick when sending my probes to mine in the very first moment in the game, telling myself I'm basically defeated already. My first ladder game was actually against Terran and I believe that my huge tension was big factor as to why I lost that game. I need to work on not feeling nervous. What helped me to some degree, was to simply spam in the beginning of the game. So if anyone sees me spamming, it's not to get some APM or whatever up. It's simply to bind my mind into game's mindset. So I focus on the game rather than focusing on the fact how tense and nervous I am.

Also, having a good music; I find good trance or even meditation music as good, while I'm playing. It depends on my mood as to which of these two I pick. Meditation music is good for relaxing myself tad more. It may seem as a bit of contrast, because the game itself is fast-paced and some people might prefer some metal or aggressive music. I actually like metal, but in this case, it would probably only distract my mind which is why I chose the relaxation/meditation music mostly over anything even a bit aggressive.

Generally, it only proves how challenging the game is, not only when it comes to wits but also, the mental self-control. I believe this is one of my biggest weaknesses and it needs to be adjusted in order to get further. Thing is, it's somehow hard to not focusing on 'want to win' mindset. I have a goal ahead of myself and if I lose too much, how hard it'll be to reach it? Will I even be able to, if I just don't focus on the winning?

Game observations

I am very weak against early rushes. Two games against P I lost, they both rushed me and I failed to identify that when doing my initial scouting after 9Pylon. That third P player I beat did try to rush me as well, but I kinda assumed he wasn't as effecient when it comes to rushing at all, because I managed to fend it off and win the match. Generally speaking, it seems that Protoss players in Bronze usually just either rush or cheese, which made me to somehow dislike the matchup because in the end, what can I improve on my game if the games last 5-10 minutes max, where I have to rush to get the defence up, instead of playing longer game, focusing on macro and all the important stuff. These games are nearly like a waste of time; I don't learn anything, the opponent doesn't learn anything and at the top of all, these games are not even fun.

Terran players are not as cheesy, at least so far. Only one of 7 games were, when the guy tried to get proxy barracks with bunker up, to his bad luck, I managed to find that rather early, maintaining somewhat healthy economy and army production. So far, most PvT's were actually enjotable games. I have yet to learn to analyze my own games to take the most from them, although, I am in belief that sometimes I lose just because I fail to make correct estimation of what my army can take on and what it can't beat. Simply put, estimating my own strenght against strenght of my opponent. That, and crappy micro. I don't have enough precision here, as I also try to macro during battles. Most people here would probably facepalm at how much units I'm able to 'suicide' even though the odds were that I was at advantage. Sometimes, I have no idea why I lost the battle either, when I had more stuff than my opponent.

I only had two PvZ during this week's run. although, both of them tried to zergling rush me. To my surprise, they failed it and I managed to macro up, taking both games for win. I somehow considered my PvZ to be the worst matchup, so either I was lucky or who knows. Also, one of my Z opponents game me first bad manners. I kinda laughed it off and made an album on Facebook called 'StarCraft 2 Bad Manners' where I'll happily upload all bad manners screenies, for my own amusement.

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=310486&id=722731418&l=354f251975


Scouting is another big weakness of mine. When I lose my first scouting probe, I don't send another, instead, I end up sending a scout once I get robo and observer out. And even then, in the middle of trying to not forget to keep macroing up, I sometimes forget to actually use my scout. So I end up playing in the dark.

Build orders. Having one for each matchup helped me tons. Not knowing what to do is the worst thing which could happen to me. In the end, part of why I panic is, when I have no idea what to actually do. And, in early game it seems that it's crucial. One little screw up can cost me game. One supply block can cost me the game. All these small things just fall in together.

Things to work on

Mindset


I have a way ahead of me, to get more comfortable with laddering. I believe I made some progress in this area this week. It may be good, but it needs to get better. I need to drop that fear of losing, failing and whatever may hinder me from reaching my goal. The sooner I am able to be calm during my ladder games, the better and more efficient I'll be during these. That'd mean I would play more ladder games as well.

Scouting

Obvious. I do scout, but I'm not as effective as I should. I often just wing it after my first initial scout being killed, until I send my observer out. The reason being, I struggle with multitasking here a bit. When I overcommit to scouting or even microing my units, my macro suffers.

Macro

That's also obvious. I'm Bronze, my macro sucks. Wrking on that every game more than anything else.

Game sense

Knowing when to attack, knowing when to expand, knowing when to pull back. Guess that comes down to experience and the more games played the better.

Food for thought?

Before I actually finish this write-up, there are some things I've been thinking about. One of them is; I have an US account next to my regular EU one I use for playing most of the time, because I am from EU. So, except few occassions, I rarely even touch my US account. Not having friends here is a huge factor in that as well, I believe. My list here consists of like 5-6 people, one of them being my dear friend from another game we played together (not WoW, don't even ask), other one being Geoff and the rest are people from Facebok who added me, but these Facebok people, I never see them online whenever I check my US account.

But, to get to the point; I've been thinking of using my US account to simply 'practice' laddering. Above my so far 3 games/day on EU ladder, to help myself to be at ease while laddering, it may be good to use the other account. But, there's also another factor to consider - wouldn't it be just different, because I basically don't care about my W/L on US account, so the whole mindset thing during these games would be different from the one I have on my EU account? But, the other side is; I'd get to play more diversity more often, and thus, it might help me with my game sense and overall improvement. I have yet to come to some conclusion with myself in this regard.

Last thing - Games casting?!

I actually hoped my dear friend on EU server, who's been my good 2v2 teammate (now 2,5k Protoss) would end up commenting and analyzing my games (he did it with one of my game and seemed open to do it), as he does commentary on his own games and I'd upload these casted games on my youtube channel, posting my links here, to make this whole blog more lively, sadly he got lured into WoW, so I cannot really provide anything more than this huge wall of text. I would comment my own games but I never really tried it and my comments wouldn't be very helpful nor interesting for anyone who'd end up reading this blog.

That's all what was on my mind so far... I'll keep on fighting on. Wish me luck!

****
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
December 12 2010 18:06 GMT
#2
Good blog and good luck.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
0nega
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany29 Posts
December 12 2010 18:29 GMT
#3
Nice blog. A lot of effort.

Something that helped me a lot was playing vs Very Hard AI.
I know it doesn't help you with timings, but you can practice your macro and your BOs since the AI won't cheese you and you can see whether it's really the nervousity during ladder games which lets you make mistakes.
I' m just plat so I suck too, but it really improved my play at the beginning when I as even worse.
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
December 12 2010 18:36 GMT
#4
On December 13 2010 03:29 0nega wrote:
Nice blog. A lot of effort.

Something that helped me a lot was playing vs Very Hard AI.
I know it doesn't help you with timings, but you can practice your macro and your BOs since the AI won't cheese you and you can see whether it's really the nervousity during ladder games which lets you make mistakes.
I' m just plat so I suck too, but it really improved my play at the beginning when I as even worse.

Thank you for response.

I actually use YABOT maps (these are designed to train build orders) from time to time, not only to get my builds into my mind, but also, they have improved 'Green Tea AI', which is less silly than Blizzard's original AI. I find this to be helpful and I'm not nervous when doing this kind of practice. Medium Green Tea AI can make me run for my money quite often and imo more reasonably than V. Hard AI would. (it's the 'normal AI', so it doesn't cheat or something) So sadly, my tension and nervosity only happens during laddering... :-)
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 248
RuFF_SC2 141
Livibee 109
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 7103
NaDa 72
Sharp 27
Icarus 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever305
capcasts167
NeuroSwarm114
febbydoto21
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 758
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K763
Other Games
summit1g11378
WinterStarcraft11
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV59
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH265
• Hupsaiya 96
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift6112
• masondota2966
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
24m
CranKy Ducklings
7h 24m
RSL Revival
7h 24m
ByuN vs Cham
herO vs Reynor
FEL
13h 24m
RSL Revival
1d 7h
Clem vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
FEL
1d 9h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 15h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.