• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:05
CEST 23:05
KST 06:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies18Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !18Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 (Spoiler) ASL21 Winner's Interview vespene.gg — BW replays in browser [ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies UA StarCraft: Mawin (T) vs hanniGan (P) Showmatch
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Organizations: Raisi…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1351 users

TvT blog

Blogs > OutlaW-
Post a Reply
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 23:25:26
December 05 2010 23:21 GMT
#1
So. Before I start this off, I will say that I played 19 games today, 13 of them which were TvP. God, what the fuck is that? Anyway, so, after playing so much TvP, where my win ratio is probably around 80% (most protosses at my level just straight up don't understand the match up at all + I have a really strong economic build that involes a 1 rax FE while outright killing a 4 gate / 1 gate expand) and extracting some zerg tears, bunker rushing every TvZ, my 18th and 19th games, TvTs. Now the only reason I'm not 2800~ diamond is that my TvT sucks. I open some sort of weird 1 rax with fast stim to defend against tanks, but I just never defend against banshees, and I always get killed by good terrans in the mid game. (I always go straight up bio with no tanks) So anyway, I was fed up with my TvT, so I just said fuck it, I'm gonna try tank/viking and see how it goes.
Holy fuck. Everything melted. I almost cried at how good it suddenly felt. It was like if I had just understood the universe. I suddenly realized why I was sucking in TvT, and how I should get better. Everything just felt so right.. So, still feeling dizzy, I click on find match again. Another terran. I wanted to test my new found experience of the match up and go for a cloak banshee expo that I prepared but never really used. I won so easily, too, and there were some tears involving me having no skill involved as well.

I feel new born. 3000 points, here I come.
edit: forgot to say I was 2600 points

**
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
December 05 2010 23:23 GMT
#2
I felt the same way in my ZvP i then went up like 400 points and now i'm stuck again
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
December 06 2010 00:43 GMT
#3
lmao, sounds exactly like when I decided to click the unholy marauder icon in TvP after the patches killed mech...it was like....WOW THIS IS EASY LMAO.

seems like you had the opposite revelation for TvT...BUILD TANKS :p
Sup
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
December 06 2010 00:47 GMT
#4
Everyone around here seems to hate tank/viking TvT for some reason, but I've always felt most comfortable playing it over anything else in the matchup. I really dislike how terran is forced into marine/marauder in basically every matchup in the game, it's so stale, so at least there's a bit of a change in TvT (even though you still need a lot of bio even with tank/viking for it to be most effective).
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
December 06 2010 01:00 GMT
#5
On December 06 2010 09:47 Angra wrote:
Everyone around here seems to hate tank/viking TvT for some reason, but I've always felt most comfortable playing it over anything else in the matchup. I really dislike how terran is forced into marine/marauder in basically every matchup in the game, it's so stale, so at least there's a bit of a change in TvT (even though you still need a lot of bio even with tank/viking for it to be most effective).



tank viking is so stale it burns in my mouth...

two big immobile sieged tank lines staring at each other doing nothing. SO FUN RIGHT
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 01:22:31
December 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#6
TvT is so fucking boring as hell to play.
Jesus christ, it takes so much effort to inch siege lines that I don't even do it anymore and just set up a contain early and pump out vikings so the other guy is basically fucked and expand and go battlecruiser with my high viking count.

Tank Viking is seriously the most boring crap ever and you can't really use anything against it.

And god damn, I hate it when I have a huge ass advantage and it takes me 5 minutes to take advantage of it. >.>
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#7
yeah, I feel you man. I f*cking hate tvt myself. Everytime I play like i was dreaming, it is totally up to luck or how dumb my opponent is that I can win or not.
I do viking tank only with some marauder, I dont know any other build.
Congrat on the 3000 points.
Terran
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 06 2010 01:30 GMT
#8
I only produce tanks out of one factory, => double reactor vikings & try to get a contain.
after that it's always bcs :D
Pure tank viking is boring IMO & loses to so many things.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
December 06 2010 02:17 GMT
#9
tanks suck. especially on large open maps like Xelnaga. You'll only get raped.
Marines > everything
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
December 06 2010 02:38 GMT
#10
Personally, I love TvT. I always open 1 fact seige expand basically leaving me completely defended. See a tech lab going up anywhere near a starport, build one turret at both bases and one above your tech structures and you've got banshees defended, then I play with lots of siege tanks and lots of M&M (for added mobility) and just expand everywhere at once, take my side of whatever map and just try and be as annoying as possible, like little drops with your MMM, and just slowly edge forward with your tanks until you get a good position.

People always say falling behind on the viking count is bad, it's not. I'd say the best way of dealing with it is just add more MM, I mean, yeah he can have AtA, but if you don't get any he can't use it. Also one thing I love doing is every so often getting one banshee with cloak and going to his mineral lines.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
19:30
Patches' Patch Clash #7
RotterdaM432
Liquipedia
BSL
19:00
RO8 - Day 4
DragOn vs Dewalt
TerrOr vs OyAji
ZZZero.O324
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 416
JuggernautJason109
ProTech86
EmSc Tv 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30147
ZZZero.O 333
Dewaltoss 85
Zeus 57
NaDa 14
League of Legends
JimRising 434
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu437
Other Games
summit1g7183
tarik_tv5069
FrodaN4726
Grubby3829
gofns2616
Liquid`RaSZi2436
shahzam423
KnowMe341
QueenE83
kaitlyn42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1012
BasetradeTV76
StarCraft 2
angryscii 29
EmSc Tv 24
EmSc2Tv 24
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 49
• Reevou 10
• musti20045 3
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1886
• masondota21059
Other Games
• imaqtpie918
• WagamamaTV410
• Shiphtur168
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 55m
Universe Titan Cup
13h 55m
Rogue vs Percival
Wardi Open
14h 55m
Monday Night Weeklies
18h 55m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 13h
GSL
2 days
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs Rogue
IPSL
5 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W8
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.