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On November 20 2010 06:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Hi TL, so I was supposed to go to university in England in September, however due to some problems that was impossible.
So this answers my first question because I vividly remember you raving about going to some university in London. Why didn't you get in btw? You were quite positive about that one.
Anyways, my dad got fed up of my constant talking of Korea, Japan and China (SC, Anime and Kung Fu) so he said to me 'why don't you go to university in Shanghai?'
You sound like a dreamer, like you don't know what you want whatsoever. Do you really plan on going to China because you like Bruce Li? Sounds a bit insane.
My first reaction was 'china? hell no, too far away!' but after a lot of thought I've warmed up to the idea, I mean how many oppurtinities do you have to go live in China in a life? This is a unique oppurtinity!
So do you know any Chinese? Do you realize how hard you will have to study there? I mean if you weren't able to get into a uni in England you probably wouldn't fare well at a decent Chinese school.
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On November 20 2010 08:07 News wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 06:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Hi TL, so I was supposed to go to university in England in September, however due to some problems that was impossible.
So this answers my first question because I vividly remember you raving about going to some university in London. Why didn't you get in btw? You were quite positive about that one. Show nested quote +
Anyways, my dad got fed up of my constant talking of Korea, Japan and China (SC, Anime and Kung Fu) so he said to me 'why don't you go to university in Shanghai?'
You sound like a dreamer, like you don't know what you want whatsoever. Do you really plan on going to China because you like Bruce Li? Sounds a bit insane. Show nested quote +
My first reaction was 'china? hell no, too far away!' but after a lot of thought I've warmed up to the idea, I mean how many oppurtinities do you have to go live in China in a life? This is a unique oppurtinity!
So do you know any Chinese? Do you realize how hard you will have to study there? I mean if you weren't able to get into a uni in England you probably wouldn't fare well at a decent Chinese school.
the problem was about fees and the fact im not british tripling my fees because i was not informed by the school or anyone that i had to be there since the beggining of the month (living in England from 1 sept to 27 sept with no home, yay!) I did get in.
The school offers courses in English as well as chinese classes for foreignes. and no im not going there because of Bruce LEE, are you slow? I'm going there because its a unique oppurtunity to experience another culture and learn things i wouldnt otherwise.
Btw, i lived in the US 4 years and I don't like it there. No offense, just not my cup of tea
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You should spend 2-3 weeks in Shanghai with a limited budget. Then you'll know if you like it or not 
I'm sure some Chinese universities are great, but I wouldn't spend 4 years at one (or recommend my friends to) unless I had some Chinese language ability.
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On November 20 2010 08:12 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem was about fees and the fact im not british tripling my fees because i was not informed by the school or anyone that i had to be there since the beggining of the month (living in England from 1 sept to 27 sept with no home, yay!) I did get in.
The school offers courses in English as well as chinese classes for foreignes. and no im not going there because of Bruce LEE, are you slow? I'm going there because its a unique oppurtunity to experience another culture and learn things i wouldnt otherwise.
Btw, i lived in the US 4 years and I don't like it there. No offense, just not my cup of tea
Just ask yourself if you like to study (meaning studying daily and going to every lecture) and if you want to be constantly wondering whether people are saying "you are welcome" or offering to fingerfuck you. I can understand this if you had some background in Chinese but you simply come off as a fan of all things Asian.
How old were you during your stay in the US? And where did you live? What didn't you like?
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I would not recommend getting a degree from China unless it's in a Chinese-related area.
There are still a lot of issues with the Chinese education system, and in some cases the degrees foreigners receive there are laughed at or even worthless back in their home countries (I've heard several personal stories about this from foreign students at very good universities who study things such as computer science or even medicine). This depends a lot on where you live I'm sure, but regardless, it seems that Chinese degrees do not hold much weight compared to degrees from a lot of other countries.
Anyway, I would personally not recommend going to China for that long in such a way unless you already know a lot about the culture and language and truly have the passion for those things. China is great, but it can be really unforgiving sometimes, especially for a foreigner who can't speak the language well and is going over there alone. That said however, Shanghai is one of the easier places for foreigners to adapt to (and also one of the least interesting places in China in my opinion, but I know many will disagree with that).
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I've lived in China for 6 years, and I definitely do not think you should spend your whole university time there. Mind you, they were the best 6 years of my life, but it just isn't right. There's so much f-ed up there, you'll be disconnected from the rest of the world.
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If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.
No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.
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Hi,
Shanghai is great city, it's modern, easy to adapt, but at the meantime, I can still find almost all aspects of traditional China. The only problem is that there are many superficial people and / or only caring about money / looks / apparent social level. But overall it's awesome.
I don't recommend to do your whole studies there. What you should do if you are interested in China/Shanghai, is coming here for 1 year, to learn mandarin. Your english is already good for a french guy (I am french myself), and learning chinese will never hurt, even if you forget it, it's still a good memory exercise etc. Most universities offer mandarin classes in the morning, then you're free the afternoon to revise / do sports / have a part-time job / whatever.
And if you really enjoy it, you may be interested in staying longer. Just don't sign up for a 3 or 5 years program without knowing if you'll like it or not.
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If you want good universities in Asia, applying to Japanese universities: Tokyo University, Tokyo Tech, Kyoto University, Keio University, Waseda, just to name a few. These are all top-tier universities and recognized globally.
Despite the fierce competition of "prestigious" universities in China, they are all fairly low on the radar in terms of international recognition.
Why China as opposed to Korea, Japan or Hong Kong? I know you mentioned "kung fu", but surely, that cannot be the sole reason?
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On November 20 2010 10:19 Hakker wrote:
If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.
No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.
This is not exactly true. it's actually very hard to enter a good university in China, because it's all based on one single exam. If you failed this exam, you're screwed, you can either join a shitty local university, or go abroad. Plus, studying abroad has a good reputation in China, even if all you went to a second or third tier university, you will at least come back to China with a decent english which is quite a good advantage in China.
My wife couldn't find a decent university in China, she went to study in Ireland, got a Master degree in Economics and marketing, the level was ridiculously low... I won't talk for the US as I have no idea, but having done my studies in France and followed hers in Ireland, I can tell you the level was low in both these countries (only the "Grandes Ecoles" are good in France imo).
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A French guy can get in no problem, but I just don't see why you want to get your undergraduate in China, you want an experience? take an vocation? become like a French teacher or something, I'm sure you will find some work in China.
You go to university to learn something so later on you can use it in job/life, WTF you want an adventure? Don't be a brat, get yourself a good degree that actually teach you things.
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I would say the best reason to goto china (and shanghai is the best choice) is to do it as part of a joint course where you learn chinese with something else (i.e economics) and then you spend a year in either shanghai or beijing
Shanghai is definately very multicultural and anyone live there. It has its many ups and downs that you can only really experience by being there
I know a few of my english friends who did chinese with econ and as a result spent a year there - they both loved and hated it. Its certainly an experience
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University of Toronto, University of Ottawa and University of Waterloo
One of these is not like the others
Now, on topic:
OP why can't you just go to school in France?
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Hey man,
I've had the same thought as you about a year ago. However I already got a bachelor degree in a Dutch university so the pressure was different ;-). Right now i'm studying chinese language in the Beijing Language (& Culture) University and at first i planned to go for some master degree afterwards... well after 3 months here I decided i will not do my master degree in China.
China has lots of things to offer, it's really great place to live (if you have a 'decent' amount of money). However for study (bachelor/master/phd) it's not that good, mainly because many universities (read: most universities) are not recognized internationally. Besides that the study pressure is quite high relatively to Dutch universities, also the study system is very different. Chinese high-school students for example go to school about 10hours a day, besides that they eat and sleep and only have fun on Sunday, because on Saturday a lot of 'm go to school as well. University is of course a whole lot different but you're expected to 'continue' this way, whether ur in a good or a bad university, the teachers expect you to be working on your school stuff basically 24/7. Besides that learning facts and 'copy/past' from the book is the actual 'way of study'. The problematic-based study approach is relatively small here and (as far as i heard) only comes in when ur at master/phd level.
If you'd go here for study I'd recommend you take a 1 or 2 year chinese language programme (maybe including some culture) Afterwards get in a European (or w/e) university.
Oh and by the way in China, the book is ALWAYS! right, no need to argue, that's the way it works here :-(.
Hope this helps a bit, good luck with your choice
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Life in China is great fun, I did voluntary teaching there. I wouldn't, however, recommend Shang Hai as the nicest place. Its much more westernised compared to most places of China. As a result, its quite polluted and theres nothing "attractive" about the city.
On the upside, the people are great, the food is great, almost everything in China is cheaper than most places in Europe. The nightlife in Shang Hai is pretty good, as are other social activities. I strongly recommend you make good friends with a Native as there are so many things you will want to do and places to go to that you will need some help translating.
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China has alot universities, like ants crawling at my house.
So many people get into university but depending on which university u get into.
I mean there is only few university that is good in China, the rest is.... erm.. very normal?
Imagine u go for interview in China and the boss see u have a graduate degree certificate.
His mind is thinking, oh yea, so is the rest of them.
China is competitive, and sometimes jobs is given because of relationship, or maybe fake certificate.
Alot of university in China although call university, but maybe foreign countries polytechnic is better. So u have to find out which is the REAL univeristy to go. Not those 'University' in name only keke.
Ah, I am from China but I study overseas.
I feel bad saying bad things about my own countries, but I grow up listening to people around me saying this same thing again and again and I feel the same way too, so I just speak my mind.
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you are lucky one. Man up and go for it. It can be just as good as you let it be.
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On November 20 2010 10:19 Hakker wrote:
If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.
No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.
This guy hits the nail on the head. In terms of international rankings, the number 1 university in China barely competes with number 50s in the US. If the goal of your degree is for any sort of job opportunities within and outside of China, you are better off doing it in Europe/North America. If cost is truly a problem you should not be spending it on something that gives no return. American universities, granted they are expensive, at least gives you much better job opportunities once you graduate with decent grades.
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hong kong has many really good universities..
but its not really china-ey. its a great city for young people though, you can party a lot and meet tons of people here.
its also getting rather expensive ( sad T___T ).. shanghai is supposed to be the most expensive city in china but hk is still like double the price there lulz.
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As an international student at SJTU(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJTU) in Shanghai. I think study in China is quite a good option. I had a choice to go to Australia or China when I finished high school. I chose China and I've never ever regret a bit of my decision.
Let me just lay out some of my though and you can decide for yourself
Just like what CSheep said before, being foreigner makes it alot easier for you to get in the China top universities(rank among top 20 in Asia).
If you want to study in China, Shanghai is your best choice, the reason for this was posted by many post above so I wont go over it again.
Being an European, if you speak fluent Chinese and have a degree in one of China's best universities, the chance for you to get a high paying job in Shanghai after you graduate is extremely high since this kind of people is what China lacking now.
If you want to study for higher degree in another country(US, EU) after you graduate it can also be possible. Half of my class are applying for master/doctorate program from universities around the world and from what they told me, they have a very good chance to get accept.
One of the most useful thing you will learn if you study in China is the language itself. Western companies here in Shanghai are desperately need people that can speak western language and Chinese perfectly to work for them.
Living in China has its downside(many) though, but its worth it since you have a chance to experience something new and pave your future to success at the same time.
EDIT: I just went thru some of your replies in this thread. If you ever apply for an uni in China, I suggest you go for the program in Chinese, English program in China is lamest kind of education you can get. Dont fall for that. Study Chinese as one w/o any Asian culture background will be very difficult but you can do it, I've met some white guys that speak Chinese better than Chinese native so...
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