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Is going to university in China a good idea?

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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 09:38:50
November 19 2010 21:06 GMT
#1
Hi TL, so I was supposed to go to university in England in September, however due to some problems that was impossible.

Anyways, my dad got fed up of my constant talking of Korea, Japan and China (SC, Anime and Kung Fu) so he said to me 'why don't you go to university in Shanghai?'

First I thought he was making fun of me, but he asked me that question several more times so I asked him how China is. Since he's been there alot the last two years, he told me Shanghai is a great city.

My first reaction was 'china? hell no, too far away!' but after a lot of thought I've warmed up to the idea, I mean how many oppurtinities do you have to go live in China in a life? This is a unique oppurtinity!

I'm still kind of torn on the idea, so I'm asking my fellow TLers for their thoughts and advice.

EDIT: Just so we're clear, I have NOT decided to drop everything to rush off half assed to China, I'm simply considering it, a lot of people seem to think I've already made up my mind when I haven't

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Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
November 19 2010 21:13 GMT
#2
If you're going in that direction at least go all the way. Show some Seoul!
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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
November 19 2010 21:13 GMT
#3
Sure sounds like an adventure if nothing else. I've heard it's quite hard to get into uni in China, though? Like, only the very top chinese students get in, but you might have a better chance because of being a foreigner, I dunno.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 21:14 GMT
#4
On November 20 2010 06:13 gm.tOSS wrote:
If you're going in that direction at least go all the way. Show some Seoul!


thing is my dad has friends in china at least whereas in Korea... plus I looked at courses in english in Korea and nothing appeals to me
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
November 19 2010 21:17 GMT
#5
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 21:18 GMT
#6
other option is England.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 21:23:00
November 19 2010 21:19 GMT
#7
It's much easier to get into a top university in China as a foreigner than as a Chinese student. Also, you get treated much, much better as a foreigner in Chinese universities lol, in terms of accommodations (room and board) at least.

If you come from France, or any other European/American country, you can most likely to feel that the cost of living in China is quite low thanks to the exchange rate + just lower absolute prices. An euro/dollar goes much further in China than it does in US/Europe/etc. xD

I can't speak for Shanghai out of personal experience, but Beijing is pretty international, and I would imagine Shanghai can only be more so. A foreigner living in the city shouldn't have too hard of a time getting by. I've been told living in Shanghai is quite similar to New York in terms of metropolis/city life, so take caution if that's not your cup of tea.

Which universities are you considering?

Edit: Those are some of the benefits I can think of, whether or not it's a "good idea" is ultimately up to you to decide base don your situation/interests/needs... There are plenty of inconveniences too I can imagine, many associated simply with being in a foreign country, but also Chinese specific ones if you're not used to them.
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 19 2010 21:24 GMT
#8
It's a surprise to see anyone interested in going to school in China. Chinese people usually try their best to get out of the country for college, but most of them can't find the money. The problem about chinese universities is that they are hard to get into, hard work while you are in there, and after you graduate, you are not highly recognized either. Unless you get into one of the top 5 universities in china, it will be tough for you to find a job afterwards. When I was in China, a taxi driver I met had a master's degree. If you do get into one of the top 5 universities, you are probably better off going to harvard or oxford instead.

The best option would be to do an exchange in a Chinese university, but your primary school should be close to home. Shanghai is a pretty nice place to live if you have a bit of money, but be sure to train up your immune system as everything you eat will make you sick.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 21:24 GMT
#9
On November 20 2010 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It's much easier to get into a top university in China as a foreigner than as a Chinese student. Also, you get treated much, much better as a foreigner in Chinese universities lol, in terms of accommodations (room and board) at least.

If you come from France, or any other European/American country, you can most likely to feel that the cost of living in China is quite low thanks to the exchange rate + just lower absolute prices. An euro/dollar goes much further in China than it does in US/Europe/etc. xD

I can't speak for Shanghai out of personal experience, but Beijing is pretty international, and I would imagine Shanghai can only be more so. A foreigner living in the city shouldn't have too hard of a time getting by. I've been told living in Shanghai is quite similar to New York in terms of metropolis/city life, so take caution if that's not your cup of tea.

Which universities are you considering?

Edit: Those are some of the benefits I can think of, whether or not it's a "good idea" is ultimately up to you to decide base don your situation/interests/needs... There are plenty of inconveniences too I can imagine, many associated simply with being in a foreign country, but also Chinese specific ones if you're not used to them.



Well, University of Shanghai has a course on Advertising, and that's actually something I'd be real interested in. So, that's my main choice for now. I havent looked at all of the possible choices yet, but I've looked at some in Shanghai and Beijing and Hong Kong.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 19 2010 21:39 GMT
#10
On November 20 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.


This is definitely the less adventurous (read: hell of a lot safer) option. If you get accepted somewhere close to home, then apply for an exchange it will be a year before you leave on the exchange. The plus side being that you might figure you don't want to go, the downside being you have to wait for a year and you might not get accepted to the exchange program. Also, if you really really like it, and want to go then you will have to transfer. On the other hand if you go to a school in China you will be there immediately, and could be there for a while. If you find out you really don't like China, then you can always just transfer to a school closer to home.

My advice would be to apply to several schools close by (in Britain, France, ect.) and one in China. Then in the next year you can make up your mind as to where you want to go, and if you aren't completely sure then you can always choose the exchange route. But, yeah- if you really want to do it then go for it. I mean the worst that will happen is that you don't like it, and move back after a year. Yeah, a bit of money and time will be lost- but I think in the grand scheme of things that will be pretty minor.

Good luck :D
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 21:52 GMT
#11
On November 20 2010 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.


This is definitely the less adventurous (read: hell of a lot safer) option. If you get accepted somewhere close to home, then apply for an exchange it will be a year before you leave on the exchange. The plus side being that you might figure you don't want to go, the downside being you have to wait for a year and you might not get accepted to the exchange program. Also, if you really really like it, and want to go then you will have to transfer. On the other hand if you go to a school in China you will be there immediately, and could be there for a while. If you find out you really don't like China, then you can always just transfer to a school closer to home.

My advice would be to apply to several schools close by (in Britain, France, ect.) and one in China. Then in the next year you can make up your mind as to where you want to go, and if you aren't completely sure then you can always choose the exchange route. But, yeah- if you really want to do it then go for it. I mean the worst that will happen is that you don't like it, and move back after a year. Yeah, a bit of money and time will be lost- but I think in the grand scheme of things that will be pretty minor.

Good luck :D


Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna apply to 5 schools in Britain as well as some in China, but i really think if i get accepted in China I'll go, its a pretty unique oppurtinity.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 19 2010 21:54 GMT
#12
On November 20 2010 06:52 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.


This is definitely the less adventurous (read: hell of a lot safer) option. If you get accepted somewhere close to home, then apply for an exchange it will be a year before you leave on the exchange. The plus side being that you might figure you don't want to go, the downside being you have to wait for a year and you might not get accepted to the exchange program. Also, if you really really like it, and want to go then you will have to transfer. On the other hand if you go to a school in China you will be there immediately, and could be there for a while. If you find out you really don't like China, then you can always just transfer to a school closer to home.

My advice would be to apply to several schools close by (in Britain, France, ect.) and one in China. Then in the next year you can make up your mind as to where you want to go, and if you aren't completely sure then you can always choose the exchange route. But, yeah- if you really want to do it then go for it. I mean the worst that will happen is that you don't like it, and move back after a year. Yeah, a bit of money and time will be lost- but I think in the grand scheme of things that will be pretty minor.

Good luck :D


Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna apply to 5 schools in Britain as well as some in China, but i really think if i get accepted in China I'll go, its a pretty unique oppurtinity.


Apply to a Canadian school as well, way better than Britain
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TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
November 19 2010 22:17 GMT
#13
This blog post pertains only to grad studies in China; but still has some relevant points http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2010/02/23/why-china-for-grad-school

The best universities in the world are in Europe, Canada, United States, and Australia. Having lived in China for three years, I can tell you that Chinese universities are still decades away from catching up to their western counterparts.

That being said, there are several good reasons to study in China. As other posters pointed out, most Chinese want to study abroad. But you are not Chinese, so you play by a different set of rules. If you're interested in stuff like international business, law or diplomacy, then having a 4 year degree from a university in Shanghai will look good on your resume. Also, living abroad will help you grow as a person - assuming you don't spend all your time coddled up in your room or hanging out with your English speaking friends. For example, I spent the first 18 months without a single English speaking friend because I came to China to learn the language. This is bloody hard and not for everyone.

Shanghai is a great city. But not everyone can live in China. I personally loved my time there, but many many foreigners I know hated it. The culture is quite different, they have a completely different point of view regarding respect and social responsibility.

So what I suggest if you're considering China: Get a plane ticket and go live in city-of-your-choice for 2-4 weeks. This should give you a good idea if you can live there for another 4 years.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 22:27 GMT
#14
I just want to get my undergrad in China and then a graduate degree in Europe so I have a good degree and also have the studied in china bit to add to a resume
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Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
November 19 2010 22:29 GMT
#15
There's a very good chance you'll be accepted to the uni in China because they are usually favorable to foreigners. However, you have to realize that the lifestyle in China is very different. (I'm Chinese-American, born in the U.S. but visit China very often.) There might be a lot of things you aren't used to.

I guess France might not be too different from China in terms of transportation if you use the metro frequently. But if not, that's pretty much the best way to get around in Shangai. The food is also very different, especially from French food. They are starting to have more and more American restaurants in China, but I'm not sure if the French like American food, especially fast-food, which is probably the most common and popular among Chinese young people. The city Shanghai is very nice though, most of it.. It's probably my favorite city in China and it's a lot like Paris.

I would recommend you do some sort of study abroad program in China instead of attending 4year university there. Spending a semester or two there can be really great; I've had American friends do this and they loved it. If you go for a 4year uni in China, you'll miss out on the western college experience. If you really want to live in China for 4 years though, then it's not a bad idea. Just try to get a taste of what you're getting yourself into first. Maybe do some research and if you have the time and money, maybe visit China for a couple of weeks.

CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11577 Posts
November 19 2010 22:34 GMT
#16
why china though? why not korea, japan, taiwan, thailand, or hong kong?

i would do some research on the schools and figure out which is best for you, the demographic of the students,the culture, etc... if anything go with your dad to china the next time he goes for work, and get a feel out for both the country and the school. visit the school etc...

would you be at an international school? or do you speak chinese well enough that you can get by on taking the classes in chinese?

just some things to think about imo.
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TaiYang
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada128 Posts
November 19 2010 22:41 GMT
#17
On November 20 2010 06:54 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:52 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.


This is definitely the less adventurous (read: hell of a lot safer) option. If you get accepted somewhere close to home, then apply for an exchange it will be a year before you leave on the exchange. The plus side being that you might figure you don't want to go, the downside being you have to wait for a year and you might not get accepted to the exchange program. Also, if you really really like it, and want to go then you will have to transfer. On the other hand if you go to a school in China you will be there immediately, and could be there for a while. If you find out you really don't like China, then you can always just transfer to a school closer to home.

My advice would be to apply to several schools close by (in Britain, France, ect.) and one in China. Then in the next year you can make up your mind as to where you want to go, and if you aren't completely sure then you can always choose the exchange route. But, yeah- if you really want to do it then go for it. I mean the worst that will happen is that you don't like it, and move back after a year. Yeah, a bit of money and time will be lost- but I think in the grand scheme of things that will be pretty minor.

Good luck :D


Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna apply to 5 schools in Britain as well as some in China, but i really think if i get accepted in China I'll go, its a pretty unique oppurtinity.


Apply to a Canadian school as well, way better than Britain


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maellestrom
Profile Joined April 2010
United States194 Posts
November 19 2010 22:49 GMT
#18
I would reccomend exchanging rather than being based in china for 4 years
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 19 2010 22:50 GMT
#19
On November 20 2010 07:41 TaiYang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:54 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:52 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 20 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
What are your other options? Is it basically no school or school in China?

I'd think you'd want a base school somewhere closer to you, and then just exchange somewhere for a semester or two.


This is definitely the less adventurous (read: hell of a lot safer) option. If you get accepted somewhere close to home, then apply for an exchange it will be a year before you leave on the exchange. The plus side being that you might figure you don't want to go, the downside being you have to wait for a year and you might not get accepted to the exchange program. Also, if you really really like it, and want to go then you will have to transfer. On the other hand if you go to a school in China you will be there immediately, and could be there for a while. If you find out you really don't like China, then you can always just transfer to a school closer to home.

My advice would be to apply to several schools close by (in Britain, France, ect.) and one in China. Then in the next year you can make up your mind as to where you want to go, and if you aren't completely sure then you can always choose the exchange route. But, yeah- if you really want to do it then go for it. I mean the worst that will happen is that you don't like it, and move back after a year. Yeah, a bit of money and time will be lost- but I think in the grand scheme of things that will be pretty minor.

Good luck :D


Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna apply to 5 schools in Britain as well as some in China, but i really think if i get accepted in China I'll go, its a pretty unique oppurtinity.


Apply to a Canadian school as well, way better than Britain


University of Toronto, University of Ottawa and University of Waterloo to name a few


OP don't go to any of those chobo schools! :O

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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 19 2010 22:58 GMT
#20
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news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:08:00
November 19 2010 23:07 GMT
#21
On November 20 2010 06:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Hi TL, so I was supposed to go to university in England in September, however due to some problems that was impossible.


So this answers my first question because I vividly remember you raving about going to some university in London. Why didn't you get in btw? You were quite positive about that one.


Anyways, my dad got fed up of my constant talking of Korea, Japan and China (SC, Anime and Kung Fu) so he said to me 'why don't you go to university in Shanghai?'


You sound like a dreamer, like you don't know what you want whatsoever. Do you really plan on going to China because you like Bruce Li? Sounds a bit insane.


My first reaction was 'china? hell no, too far away!' but after a lot of thought I've warmed up to the idea, I mean how many oppurtinities do you have to go live in China in a life? This is a unique oppurtinity!


So do you know any Chinese? Do you realize how hard you will have to study there? I mean if you weren't able to get into a uni in England you probably wouldn't fare well at a decent Chinese school.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 19 2010 23:12 GMT
#22
On November 20 2010 08:07 News wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Hi TL, so I was supposed to go to university in England in September, however due to some problems that was impossible.


So this answers my first question because I vividly remember you raving about going to some university in London. Why didn't you get in btw? You were quite positive about that one.

Show nested quote +

Anyways, my dad got fed up of my constant talking of Korea, Japan and China (SC, Anime and Kung Fu) so he said to me 'why don't you go to university in Shanghai?'


You sound like a dreamer, like you don't know what you want whatsoever. Do you really plan on going to China because you like Bruce Li? Sounds a bit insane.

Show nested quote +

My first reaction was 'china? hell no, too far away!' but after a lot of thought I've warmed up to the idea, I mean how many oppurtinities do you have to go live in China in a life? This is a unique oppurtinity!


So do you know any Chinese? Do you realize how hard you will have to study there? I mean if you weren't able to get into a uni in England you probably wouldn't fare well at a decent Chinese school.


the problem was about fees and the fact im not british tripling my fees because i was not informed by the school or anyone that i had to be there since the beggining of the month (living in England from 1 sept to 27 sept with no home, yay!) I did get in.

The school offers courses in English as well as chinese classes for foreignes. and no im not going there because of Bruce LEE, are you slow? I'm going there because its a unique oppurtunity to experience another culture and learn things i wouldnt otherwise.

Btw, i lived in the US 4 years and I don't like it there. No offense, just not my cup of tea
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zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
November 19 2010 23:16 GMT
#23
You should spend 2-3 weeks in Shanghai with a limited budget. Then you'll know if you like it or not

I'm sure some Chinese universities are great, but I wouldn't spend 4 years at one (or recommend my friends to) unless I had some Chinese language ability.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:26:11
November 19 2010 23:25 GMT
#24
On November 20 2010 08:12 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem was about fees and the fact im not british tripling my fees because i was not informed by the school or anyone that i had to be there since the beggining of the month (living in England from 1 sept to 27 sept with no home, yay!) I did get in.

The school offers courses in English as well as chinese classes for foreignes. and no im not going there because of Bruce LEE, are you slow? I'm going there because its a unique oppurtunity to experience another culture and learn things i wouldnt otherwise.

Btw, i lived in the US 4 years and I don't like it there. No offense, just not my cup of tea


Just ask yourself if you like to study (meaning studying daily and going to every lecture) and if you want to be constantly wondering whether people are saying "you are welcome" or offering to fingerfuck you. I can understand this if you had some background in Chinese but you simply come off as a fan of all things Asian.

How old were you during your stay in the US? And where did you live? What didn't you like?
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Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:34:23
November 19 2010 23:31 GMT
#25
I would not recommend getting a degree from China unless it's in a Chinese-related area.

There are still a lot of issues with the Chinese education system, and in some cases the degrees foreigners receive there are laughed at or even worthless back in their home countries (I've heard several personal stories about this from foreign students at very good universities who study things such as computer science or even medicine). This depends a lot on where you live I'm sure, but regardless, it seems that Chinese degrees do not hold much weight compared to degrees from a lot of other countries.

Anyway, I would personally not recommend going to China for that long in such a way unless you already know a lot about the culture and language and truly have the passion for those things. China is great, but it can be really unforgiving sometimes, especially for a foreigner who can't speak the language well and is going over there alone. That said however, Shanghai is one of the easier places for foreigners to adapt to (and also one of the least interesting places in China in my opinion, but I know many will disagree with that).
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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
November 19 2010 23:45 GMT
#26
I've lived in China for 6 years, and I definitely do not think you should spend your whole university time there. Mind you, they were the best 6 years of my life, but it just isn't right. There's so much f-ed up there, you'll be disconnected from the rest of the world.
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
November 20 2010 01:19 GMT
#27
If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.

No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 20 2010 01:25 GMT
#28
Hi,
Shanghai is great city, it's modern, easy to adapt, but at the meantime, I can still find almost all aspects of traditional China. The only problem is that there are many superficial people and / or only caring about money / looks / apparent social level. But overall it's awesome.

I don't recommend to do your whole studies there. What you should do if you are interested in China/Shanghai, is coming here for 1 year, to learn mandarin. Your english is already good for a french guy (I am french myself), and learning chinese will never hurt, even if you forget it, it's still a good memory exercise etc. Most universities offer mandarin classes in the morning, then you're free the afternoon to revise / do sports / have a part-time job / whatever.

And if you really enjoy it, you may be interested in staying longer. Just don't sign up for a 3 or 5 years program without knowing if you'll like it or not.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 01:30:28
November 20 2010 01:29 GMT
#29
If you want good universities in Asia, applying to Japanese universities: Tokyo University, Tokyo Tech, Kyoto University, Keio University, Waseda, just to name a few. These are all top-tier universities and recognized globally.

Despite the fierce competition of "prestigious" universities in China, they are all fairly low on the radar in terms of international recognition.

Why China as opposed to Korea, Japan or Hong Kong? I know you mentioned "kung fu", but surely, that cannot be the sole reason?
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 20 2010 01:34 GMT
#30
On November 20 2010 10:19 Hakker wrote:
If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.

No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.


This is not exactly true. it's actually very hard to enter a good university in China, because it's all based on one single exam. If you failed this exam, you're screwed, you can either join a shitty local university, or go abroad. Plus, studying abroad has a good reputation in China, even if all you went to a second or third tier university, you will at least come back to China with a decent english which is quite a good advantage in China.

My wife couldn't find a decent university in China, she went to study in Ireland, got a Master degree in Economics and marketing, the level was ridiculously low... I won't talk for the US as I have no idea, but having done my studies in France and followed hers in Ireland, I can tell you the level was low in both these countries (only the "Grandes Ecoles" are good in France imo).
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 20 2010 02:14 GMT
#31
A French guy can get in no problem, but I just don't see why you want to get your undergraduate in China, you want an experience? take an vocation? become like a French teacher or something, I'm sure you will find some work in China.

You go to university to learn something so later on you can use it in job/life, WTF you want an adventure? Don't be a brat, get yourself a good degree that actually teach you things.
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 20 2010 03:36 GMT
#32
I would say the best reason to goto china (and shanghai is the best choice) is to do it as part of a joint course where you learn chinese with something else (i.e economics) and then you spend a year in either shanghai or beijing

Shanghai is definately very multicultural and anyone live there. It has its many ups and downs that you can only really experience by being there

I know a few of my english friends who did chinese with econ and as a result spent a year there - they both loved and hated it. Its certainly an experience
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 04:03:53
November 20 2010 04:02 GMT
#33
University of Toronto, University of Ottawa and University of Waterloo


One of these is not like the others

Now, on topic:

OP why can't you just go to school in France?
Oxb
Profile Joined August 2010
199 Posts
November 23 2010 04:11 GMT
#34
Hey man,

I've had the same thought as you about a year ago. However I already got a bachelor degree in a Dutch university so the pressure was different ;-). Right now i'm studying chinese language in the Beijing Language (& Culture) University and at first i planned to go for some master degree afterwards... well after 3 months here I decided i will not do my master degree in China.
China has lots of things to offer, it's really great place to live (if you have a 'decent' amount of money). However for study (bachelor/master/phd) it's not that good, mainly because many universities (read: most universities) are not recognized internationally. Besides that the study pressure is quite high relatively to Dutch universities, also the study system is very different. Chinese high-school students for example go to school about 10hours a day, besides that they eat and sleep and only have fun on Sunday, because on Saturday a lot of 'm go to school as well. University is of course a whole lot different but you're expected to 'continue' this way, whether ur in a good or a bad university, the teachers expect you to be working on your school stuff basically 24/7. Besides that learning facts and 'copy/past' from the book is the actual 'way of study'. The problematic-based study approach is relatively small here and (as far as i heard) only comes in when ur at master/phd level.

If you'd go here for study I'd recommend you take a 1 or 2 year chinese language programme (maybe including some culture) Afterwards get in a European (or w/e) university.


Oh and by the way in China, the book is ALWAYS! right, no need to argue, that's the way it works here :-(.

Hope this helps a bit, good luck with your choice
Galaxy77
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong256 Posts
November 23 2010 05:25 GMT
#35
Life in China is great fun, I did voluntary teaching there. I wouldn't, however, recommend Shang Hai as the nicest place. Its much more westernised compared to most places of China. As a result, its quite polluted and theres nothing "attractive" about the city.

On the upside, the people are great, the food is great, almost everything in China is cheaper than most places in Europe. The nightlife in Shang Hai is pretty good, as are other social activities. I strongly recommend you make good friends with a Native as there are so many things you will want to do and places to go to that you will need some help translating.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
November 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#36
China has alot universities, like ants crawling at my house.
So many people get into university but depending on which university u get into.

I mean there is only few university that is good in China, the rest is.... erm.. very normal?

Imagine u go for interview in China and the boss see u have a graduate degree certificate.
His mind is thinking, oh yea, so is the rest of them.

China is competitive, and sometimes jobs is given because of relationship, or maybe fake certificate.

Alot of university in China although call university, but maybe foreign countries polytechnic is better. So u have to find out which is the REAL univeristy to go. Not those 'University' in name only keke.

Ah, I am from China but I study overseas.
I feel bad saying bad things about my own countries, but I grow up listening to people around me saying this same thing again and again and I feel the same way too, so I just speak my mind.
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
November 23 2010 15:57 GMT
#37
you are lucky one. Man up and go for it. It can be just as good as you let it be.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1244 Posts
November 23 2010 16:21 GMT
#38
On November 20 2010 10:19 Hakker wrote:
If you don't mind being pressure cooked working 10x as hard for a degree with -10x the weight, then sure, School in china is a good idea.

No offense to chinese, but there is a reason why most chinese try and leave the country for higher education.


This guy hits the nail on the head. In terms of international rankings, the number 1 university in China barely competes with number 50s in the US. If the goal of your degree is for any sort of job opportunities within and outside of China, you are better off doing it in Europe/North America. If cost is truly a problem you should not be spending it on something that gives no return. American universities, granted they are expensive, at least gives you much better job opportunities once you graduate with decent grades.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 23 2010 16:27 GMT
#39
hong kong has many really good universities..

but its not really china-ey. its a great city for young people though, you can party a lot and meet tons of people here.

its also getting rather expensive ( sad T___T ).. shanghai is supposed to be the most expensive city in china but hk is still like double the price there lulz.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 16:42:11
November 23 2010 16:32 GMT
#40
As an international student at SJTU(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJTU) in Shanghai. I think study in China is quite a good option. I had a choice to go to Australia or China when I finished high school. I chose China and I've never ever regret a bit of my decision.
Let me just lay out some of my though and you can decide for yourself

Just like what CSheep said before, being foreigner makes it alot easier for you to get in the China top universities(rank among top 20 in Asia).

If you want to study in China, Shanghai is your best choice, the reason for this was posted by many post above so I wont go over it again.

Being an European, if you speak fluent Chinese and have a degree in one of China's best universities, the chance for you to get a high paying job in Shanghai after you graduate is extremely high since this kind of people is what China lacking now.

If you want to study for higher degree in another country(US, EU) after you graduate it can also be possible. Half of my class are applying for master/doctorate program from universities around the world and from what they told me, they have a very good chance to get accept.

One of the most useful thing you will learn if you study in China is the language itself. Western companies here in Shanghai are desperately need people that can speak western language and Chinese perfectly to work for them.

Living in China has its downside(many) though, but its worth it since you have a chance to experience something new and pave your future to success at the same time.

EDIT: I just went thru some of your replies in this thread. If you ever apply for an uni in China, I suggest you go for the program in Chinese, English program in China is lamest kind of education you can get. Dont fall for that. Study Chinese as one w/o any Asian culture background will be very difficult but you can do it, I've met some white guys that speak Chinese better than Chinese native so...
Terran
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
November 23 2010 17:09 GMT
#41
... Why China? Just cause your dad has friends there? That's a terrible reason =/. If you're not going to study a specific thing in China that has direct benefits from being in China then don't go. If all you want is to be immersed in some "asian" culture for some time, don't go. You can always study abroad/exchange for one or two years if you really like it. Unless you can tell yourself RIGHT now that you want to live in China for the next 10 years (job after college) or so there is no reason to go there for your education because frankly, most Chinese people would attend college outside China rather than attend inside China.

/If you really want to do China, why Shanghai? Anecdotal experience and all but my gf is shanghainese and they're the most moneygrubbing, fake, assholes I've met. At least consider Beijing (not the least because it has more international students) or HK.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4199 Posts
November 23 2010 18:58 GMT
#42
On November 20 2010 13:02 Entropic wrote:
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Yup. Only one gives you the ability of going somewhere where the legal drinking age is 18 with a relatively short walk/taxi/bus ride. That's definitely the better one to go to.
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link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 21:01:34
November 23 2010 20:58 GMT
#43
This is a terrible idea unless you have some kind of huge asian girl fetish.

NO COMPANY outside of China will hire your if you ever leave China. Even companies in China will give you a hard time.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 24 2010 11:56 GMT
#44
On November 24 2010 05:58 link0 wrote:
This is a terrible idea unless you have some kind of huge asian girl fetish.

NO COMPANY outside of China will hire your if you ever leave China. Even companies in China will give you a hard time.


really? link source please
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grats
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States184 Posts
November 24 2010 13:14 GMT
#45
community college for 2 years then choose a path?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 13:17:13
November 24 2010 13:16 GMT
#46
Why not apply to Canadian/US universities? Please explore your options before going to China - it's not the best place to get a post-secondary education.
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Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
November 24 2010 14:33 GMT
#47
Singapore maybe?
It felt like gravity.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 25 2010 21:16 GMT
#48
well, to everyone worrying i'd destroy my future by studying in china you can rest easy, it's been decided that i'll go join my brother in perth, aus
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