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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 19 2010 02:26 GMT
#21
The whole standard is safe vs cheesy risky play comes from BW. It doesn't apply to SC2 yet, but the perception is still there.
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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
November 19 2010 02:41 GMT
#22
On November 19 2010 10:52 SubtleArt wrote:
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On November 19 2010 09:36 Wohmfg wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:31 Nfi wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:26 JohannesH wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:25 paper wrote:
Isn't standard the safest play by definition?

>__>

Standard means standard, safe means safe. They're different things.

Well normally I would assume the more standard play would be the safer if not the safest play.


Nowadays, standard play prioritises strong economy over safeness. There are safer PvT openings than 12 nex and safer TvZ openings than 1 rax expand. They are both adequately safe, but definitely not the safest.


?
12 Nex isn't a standard opening by any means and 1 rax expand is extremely safe if you know what to scout for


It's very standard. I dunno, anyone want to back one of us up here?
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 19 2010 02:43 GMT
#23
It seems that people will eventually find standard builds that safely beat most all-ins. This will take a lot of time. Then all-ins and cheese will only be effective using the element of surprise.

Currently, all-ins are effective because all of the game's timings aren't explored. Once they are, I'm sure this game will evolve to have longer games.
TrueRedemption
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States313 Posts
November 19 2010 02:50 GMT
#24
I think this all in style is quite important for the progression of the game, same as those who hold steadfast to a macro oriented approach. The simple fact is that no one is good enough yet to be confident on what is truly safe. We make predictions, have practice, etc, but because the game is so new small variations from the all in player can truly disrupt what a macro player believed to be safe, thus the all in wins.

No one will argue that having more income than your opponent is a bad thing, and that it will ultimately go a long way towards beating your opponent. To maintain that fine line of economy and army is the beauty of highest level brood war, but it took millions of games to help bring that fine line into focus. Thats where we are now, and will be for a while; chipping away bit by bit at this game, developing builds that both stretch our econ as far as possible while being safe given a certain level of micro.

If the all in players stopped, it'd become some hectic macro fest where players were unreasonably greedy and we would actually be getting further away from optimal play. Likewise if everyone was one-basing the game would stop developing. Fortunately players looking to get an edge always push against the crowd, the Ebb and Flow leading steadily towards optimal play.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 19 2010 03:54 GMT
#25
On November 19 2010 11:41 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 10:52 SubtleArt wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:36 Wohmfg wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:31 Nfi wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:26 JohannesH wrote:
On November 19 2010 09:25 paper wrote:
Isn't standard the safest play by definition?

>__>

Standard means standard, safe means safe. They're different things.

Well normally I would assume the more standard play would be the safer if not the safest play.


Nowadays, standard play prioritises strong economy over safeness. There are safer PvT openings than 12 nex and safer TvZ openings than 1 rax expand. They are both adequately safe, but definitely not the safest.


?
12 Nex isn't a standard opening by any means and 1 rax expand is extremely safe if you know what to scout for


It's very standard. I dunno, anyone want to back one of us up here?

I believe whether or not 11/12 nex is standard is wholly dependant on map.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 19 2010 05:14 GMT
#26
Nice article, i dont think anything is safe right now. The game is too fresh and most games are due to bo loses.
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