Is Standard Play Safe? - Page 2

United States6173 Posts

November 19 2010 02:26 GMT

#21

The whole standard is safe vs cheesy risky play comes from BW. It doesn't apply to SC2 yet, but the perception is still there.

Wohmfg

United Kingdom1292 Posts

November 19 2010 02:41 GMT

#22

On November 19 2010 10:52 SubtleArt wrote:

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12 Nex isn't a standard opening by any means and 1 rax expand is extremely safe if you know what to scout for

It's very standard. I dunno, anyone want to back one of us up here?

Whole

United States6046 Posts

November 19 2010 02:43 GMT

#23

It seems that people will eventually find standard builds that safely beat most all-ins. This will take a lot of time. Then all-ins and cheese will only be effective using the element of surprise.

Currently, all-ins are effective because all of the game's timings aren't explored. Once they are, I'm sure this game will evolve to have longer games.

TrueRedemption

United States313 Posts

November 19 2010 02:50 GMT

#24

I think this all in style is quite important for the progression of the game, same as those who hold steadfast to a macro oriented approach. The simple fact is that no one is good enough yet to be confident on what is truly safe. We make predictions, have practice, etc, but because the game is so new small variations from the all in player can truly disrupt what a macro player believed to be safe, thus the all in wins.

No one will argue that having more income than your opponent is a bad thing, and that it will ultimately go a long way towards beating your opponent. To maintain that fine line of economy and army is the beauty of highest level brood war, but it took millions of games to help bring that fine line into focus. Thats where we are now, and will be for a while; chipping away bit by bit at this game, developing builds that both stretch our econ as far as possible while being safe given a certain level of micro.

If the all in players stopped, it'd become some hectic macro fest where players were unreasonably greedy and we would actually be getting further away from optimal play. Likewise if everyone was one-basing the game would stop developing. Fortunately players looking to get an edge always push against the crowd, the Ebb and Flow leading steadily towards optimal play.