EPTHousing Discrimination - Page 2
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Linx_101
Canada166 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:19 Jibba wrote: Unfortunately, Fair Housing (I'm not sure what it is in Canada but if the US has the law, I'm sure Canada does as well) doesn't cover age discrimination. Like everything else (except working body organs), young people get screwed over. Age is considered the same as race, gender, etc in Canada. Or at least the Ontario Human Rights Act, which is applicable to the landlord - tenant or possible landlord - tenant relationship does. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
btw which city in Ontario are you in interested in specifically? | ||
micronesia
United States24779 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
As long as you aren't totally sketchy and similar to a student (you probably are, because you happen to post on a videogame forum), I don't see what the big deal is. I don't see why you would avoid renting a place from a landlord who nitpicks about having students micronesia? I don't really know the law, but I'd imagine one of the major reasons they would specifically want students is so they could get guarantors to insure potential damages. My question to the OP is why you would even consider living near students to begin with. | ||
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micronesia
United States24779 Posts
On September 23 2010 10:23 Masamune wrote: Really what it boils down to is whether or not you are good tenants. At the end of the day, the landlord just wants to rent his property hassle free and if you can be that tenant with a bit of fibbing to get the place, why not? As long as you aren't totally sketchy and similar to a student (you probably are, because you happen to post on a videogame forum), I don't see what the big deal is. I don't see why you would avoid renting a place from a landlord who nitpicks about having students micronesia? I don't really know the law, but I'd imagine one of the major reasons they would specifically want students is so they could get guarantors to insure potential damages. My question to the OP is why you would even consider living near students to begin with. First and foremost the chances of having problems down the road are very good. I was honest with my landlord where I live right now and if I had twisted it at all there's a good chance it would have been found out within the first couple of weeks judging from how things went lol. If it's an absentee landlord it's a bit different than one who lives alongside you though I guess. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11086 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:26 T.O.P. wrote: Discrimination is reality. If they're not upfront about the discrimination then they'll do it behind your backs. Landlords who don't discriminate are either inexperienced or stupid. You're very likely to lose more money than you collect in rent. Young teens destroy property. Mid aged people who moved a lot in the past few years tend to make up lies and sue you for harassment, inadequate conditions, etc (especially true in cities where they favor tenants due to he huge population of renters). I believe that landlords should have the right to discriminate against you just like a insurance company, because they face similiar risks. Because landlords will run a regression on a nice neat data seat and be able to get good coefficients to discriminate fairly. I don't understand how a young male is less liable for damages than any other group. Even if he blew the house up... he'd be liable for recompensation and that would probably cover any transaction costs. God it would be nice to bring some legal pain down. | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
Technically I guess this would be racial and age "discrimination" but imo they're perfectly legit reasons. I understand why anti-discrimination laws are in place, but honestly I think sometimes the "discrimination" term gets used too often, so is a house owner supposed to rent to the first person who wants to rent the apartment? | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27174 Posts
It sucks, yes, but that is the demographic. This is where some patience and some references really help. If you can show you are not the norm, you should be ok. It sucks that the onus is on you when you are protected by law. But, there is the letter of the law and then there is reality. I wouldn't rent to me when I was 20 either. If you don't have typical landlord references, you could try alternate routes like a pastor . teacher . etc. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32149 Posts
On September 23 2010 18:25 crazeman wrote: What exactly constitutes discrimination? My parents were trying to rent out the first floor of their house earlier this year and they literally went through 30+ potential renters. They were pretty picky on who they wanted to rent to, they preferred a Chinese family (since they're chinese and speak limited english) with no young kids because my dad needs to go to bed early for work and he didn't want to rent to a family with toddlers that would disturb his sleep. Technically I guess this would be racial and age "discrimination" but imo they're perfectly legit reasons. I understand why anti-discrimination laws are in place, but honestly I think sometimes the "discrimination" term gets used too often, so is a house owner supposed to rent to the first person who wants to rent the apartment? Yeah it does. Most people are just a tad more intelligent than the landlord in the op, and if they don't want to rent to you because you've got dipshit 20 year old stapled to your head, they'll say have that they are currently considering someone else or something. Most people just don't bother with housing discrimination suits against small private landlords because it's not worth it the trouble. The tables totally turn once you actually start renting—the tenant can not pay rent for 6 months and still not get evicted. It is utter fucking bullshit. Short of murdering the landlord's dog and trying to burn the house down, it's a goddamn process to evict a shitty tenant, hence the landlord's reluctance in renting to certain demographics. If the landlord owns a complex or something, different story. That's where you'll see a lot of housing discrimination suits | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On September 23 2010 10:11 micronesia wrote: I advise against lying about things such as whether or not you are a student... mainly for the reason I gave above but for other reasons as well. I disagree. Absolutely say that you're a student since it will increase your odds. I'm not advocating that you lie but that you look introspectively to see what you are studying. You don't need to say that you're a student at a university, just that you're a student. One definition of a student is, "One who studies something" so as long as you study/learn things on your own, you're a student. Hell, most registered "students" are just pupils. They don't try and learn things. They just passively listen to their prof. If your prospective landlord keeps probing, say that you're actively studying blah and hope to be an expert in blah amount of time. If the landlord asks you which institution, say that you're self-improving because you're more advanced in your study than what local institutions offer. You don't need to lie to get around people's biases. You simply have to convince them that you're not a typical person who can be categorized that easily. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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micronesia
United States24779 Posts
On September 24 2010 00:47 Durak wrote: I disagree. Absolutely say that you're a student since it will increase your odds. I'm not advocating that you lie but that you look introspectively to see what you are studying. You don't need to say that you're a student at a university, just that you're a student. One definition of a student is, "One who studies something" so as long as you study/learn things on your own, you're a student. Hell, most registered "students" are just pupils. They don't try and learn things. They just passively listen to their prof. If your prospective landlord keeps probing, say that you're actively studying blah and hope to be an expert in blah amount of time. If the landlord asks you which institution, say that you're self-improving because you're more advanced in your study than what local institutions offer. You don't need to lie to get around people's biases. You simply have to convince them that you're not a typical person who can be categorized that easily. We will have to agree to disagree. It is my belief that if you are not officially registered somewhere as a student and not about to become registered somewhere, that you should not tell your prospective landlord you are a student. Coming up with some bs about how you like to learn won't undo the problems that could very well get created later (and by later I mean the day you are moving in etc). | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:10 micronesia wrote: We will have to agree to disagree. It is my belief that if you are not officially registered somewhere as a student and not about to become registered somewhere, that you should not tell your prospective landlord you are a student. Coming up with some bs about how you like to learn won't undo the problems that could very well get created later (and by later I mean the day you are moving in etc). It doesn't need to be bs. Perhaps he's a smart guy who does like learning things (cooking, trades, whatever) There are a lot of smart people that learn a lot more than students do. Most students that I've met are lazy and don't study. Rather, they assume the school system will teach them enough through diffusion. I was simply trying to give him some advice on dealing with biased people if he is indeed a respectable tenant. If he's not, I suppose he could lie with my advice, but anyone can do that.  | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32149 Posts
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
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