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On September 16 2010 08:15 Cloud wrote:
Too many people place old games like early final fantasies on pedestals, even if they haven't played them for like 5 years. I guess I can include myself in that group, especially with ff6 and ff7. Imo. ff13 is the best final fantasy yet, and it is the only one i can see myself replaying, i find the battle system really fun, the story is nice, the voice acting is superb and it has enough variety to keep me replaying unlike with the other final fantasies which I never played again after finishing.
How can you say that Final Fantasy XIII has replay value? Where? For myself, Final Fantasy XIII is easily the worst FF game ever made. A lot of people hate XII, but at least that had a lot of side quests and an interesting combat system. XIII has pretty graphics, decent story, interesting combat once you've invested about 10 hours -- and that's it.
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I liked the combat and understood it from the moment I started playing, maybe you're getting your opinions from penny arcade? There is replay value in how fun the battle system is for starters (you would never replay a game because you had fun with it?), then the missions, the trophies, the items, the 6 different characters because you can only use 3 at a time, the high level threshold, the plethora of equipment and the various ways to upgrade it, challenges such as finishing the game without ever levelling up. Your complaints don't really sound as complaints, especially since those are not really the words I would use to describe the "worst FF game ever made".
PS. I also liked ff12 unlike a lot of people, but ff13 is superior in almost every aspect, except perhaps for how open the areas in ff12 were, but you weren't really able to sidetrack too much in ff12 because the alternate route had monsters that were way too hard for the level you were in.
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FF13 is superior in one aspect and that is it's HD quality. The game was walking in a straight line with terrible character dialogue and a sub-par story. All the things you name as "replay" value is that and much more in the earlier FF's with free world roaming. If you think FF13 is the best one then you must like the simplicity of it. Walk in a straight line then hear some terrible dialogue rinse and repeat. Game took 15hours to get DECENT at best and by then I had already had enough to make me not want to continue it.
I didn't mind FF12 or even FFX-2 I could put up with both of those games and generally even had fun with them. I, however, cannot say the same for FF13 at all. To me that game isn't even a FF game. It's a sleek rip off.
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Almost none of the other final fantasies had more than a single storyline, the free roaming in other (not all) final fantasies was mostly to grind, going back to the city you just passed was pretty much a waste of time because there was almost never anything new. ff13 is as linear as ff10 and it has a part where you can free roam for a (really) long while, while completing missions and doing other optional stuff instead of progressing with the storyline, and after finishing the storyline you can go back there. The battle system is the most thorough of any final fantasy, some people have already posted about just how easy and repetitive battles can get in other games like ff7, ff8 and ff10, ff13 is challenging from start to finish and the choices you make with the battle system can change drastically the outcome of each fight. You didn't like the dialogue in ff13, well I loved it, as well as I loved the voice acting and the graphics really made every scene better because of facial expressions and other subtle stuff.
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Hyrule19264 Posts
Honestly, you played them all wrong.
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On September 16 2010 08:37 Cloud wrote:
I liked the combat and understood it from the moment I started playing, maybe you're getting your opinions from penny arcade? There is replay value in how fun the battle system is for starters (you would never replay a game because you had fun with it?), then the missions, the trophies, the items, the 6 different characters because you can only use 3 at a time, the high level threshold, the plethora of equipment and the various ways to upgrade it, challenges such as finishing the game without ever levelling up. Your complaints don't really sound as complaints, especially since those are not really the words I would use to describe the "worst FF game ever made".
PS. I also liked ff12 unlike a lot of people, but ff13 is superior in almost every aspect, except perhaps for how open the areas in ff12 were, but you weren't really able to sidetrack too much in ff12 because the alternate route had monsters that were way too hard for the level you were in.
I understood the combat, it's the fact that the game doesn't allow the entire system to be used from the outset of the game, it slowly unlocks bits and pieces of it until you've invested a significant portion of time; not many people liked that. There's no replay value for me, no, there is nothing to go back and do, and I have no desire to run the same linear path to unlock portions of a story I already know. My complaints are perfectly valid, I never said FF 13 was a terrible game, I said it was the worst FF, which it is, but that doesn't mean the game is bad, it's simply not even close to the high standard set by previous FF's.
FF12 is superior to FF13: There was much, much more to do in terms of side quests; the game had an actual FF feel with towns, stores, and shops; the combat system was unique, but also provided a lot of versatility with it's gambit system. The only thing I feel FF 13 has over 12 is that it's story was better, but not by much IMO, and certainly not enough to make up for it's total lack of extra content, and the FF feel.
On September 16 2010 09:31 Cloud wrote:
Almost none of the other final fantasies had more than a single storyline, the free roaming in other (not all) final fantasies was mostly to grind, going back to the city you just passed was pretty much a waste of time because there was almost never anything new. ff13 is as linear as ff10 and it has a part where you can free roam for a (really) long while, while completing missions and doing other optional stuff instead of progressing with the storyline, and after finishing the storyline you can go back there. The battle system is the most thorough of any final fantasy, some people have already posted about just how easy and repetitive battles can get in other games like ff7, ff8 and ff10, ff13 is challenging from start to finish and the choices you make with the battle system can change drastically the outcome of each fight. You didn't like the dialogue in ff13, well I loved it, as well as I loved the voice acting and the graphics really made every scene better because of facial expressions and other subtle stuff.
FF12's battle system was more complex and satisfying than FF13. As far as everything else you said, I really begin to doubt how long ago you played those games, or to what extent you played them because saying FF13 is as linear as FF10 is just wrong and baffling. There's a reason that FF13 is the lowest (or one of the lowest) rated FF's created.
On September 16 2010 09:31 tofucake wrote:
Honestly, you played them all wrong.
Leaning towards this as well, some things you've said Cloud is puzzling. [I assume the comment is made towards Cloud, otherwise; whoops ^^]
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i think he's just trolling :p
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All FF's had a lot of very challenging side quests and secret bosses. FF7 had a lot of small side stories as well. They actually have all characters with their little side story missions and such. I would also rather open world grind all day then clear a room in FF13 have to go 2-3screens ahead then back track to the same spot again to fight the same enemies standing in the same spots. The small open world area for missions was "ok" for that, but even so. To each his own I suppose
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On September 16 2010 10:04 a176 wrote:
i think he's just trolling :p
I think you're right... FF13 was so boring, sure the battle system was fun, but whats the point of a FF without a great story/towns
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You couldn't exploit ff12's battle system fully either because you had to actually buy the gambits (wtf is that shit?) Some even were pretty expensive. Anyway, I don't know why there were so many negative reviews of the game, it's definitely the ff I have enjoyed the most, in every single aspect. Maybe I have a weird taste so I'll just stop here.
Also, I'm not trolling, asshole.
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Instead of the FF franchise, why don't you try some other games by them? Kingdom Hearts is a good one despite the kinda kiddish themes. I also enjoyed the World Ends with You.
FF7 was a BEAUTIFUL game inho. Sure graphics weren't that good, but it seriously is a milestone in video game history (besides sc)
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If we are allowed to have opinions then I'm gonna go ahead and say that personally enjoyed FFXIII more than I did some of the previous game. Maybe because I was never a big fan of TBS and XIII was kinda where I had expected they would eventually go with the series except for a few things that could have been better. I also did not go into this game with a "fuck you SE/screw FFXIII" mentality. I thought that for where they wanted to take the series, it's a step towards the right the direction. They just have to fix a few things with the combat and make it less linear. Nonetheless I liked the characters. Had no problem with the story. Typical Japanese in fact and I thought it was great.
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FFVI is perfection. My brother got it for the SNES back in '94, I bought it again for the GBA. I play it all the way through at least once a year.
That is all.
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FFIV is my favorite, because it pretty much defines the RPG genre for me. FFVI polished that to perfection. FFVII made it main stream. FFVIII took what FFVIII was, and made it absoluetely terrible in almost every possible way (past the first quarter of the game, at least). FFIX was a return to what made the early FF games so great.
So my personal rankings go something like FFIV/VI > FFVII/IX > FFX > FFV > FFXIII > FFXII > FFX2 > [insert some horrible unplayable shit] > FFVIII
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On September 16 2010 11:59 Sentenal wrote:
FFIV is my favorite, because it pretty much defines the RPG genre for me. FFVI polished that to perfection. FFVII made it main stream. FFVIII took what FFVIII was, and made it absoluetely terrible in almost every possible way (past the first quarter of the game, at least). FFIX was a return to what made the early FF games so great.
So my personal rankings go something like FFIV/VI > FFVII/IX > FFX > FFV > FFXIII > FFXII > FFX2 > [insert some horrible unplayable shit] > FFVIII
VII doesn't have Vivi or Steiner though.
That makes IX far superiorrrrrrrrr.
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On September 16 2010 12:14 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 11:59 Sentenal wrote:
FFIV is my favorite, because it pretty much defines the RPG genre for me. FFVI polished that to perfection. FFVII made it main stream. FFVIII took what FFVIII was, and made it absoluetely terrible in almost every possible way (past the first quarter of the game, at least). FFIX was a return to what made the early FF games so great.
So my personal rankings go something like FFIV/VI > FFVII/IX > FFX > FFV > FFXIII > FFXII > FFX2 > [insert some horrible unplayable shit] > FFVIII VII doesn't have Vivi or Steiner though. That makes IX far superiorrrrrrrrr.
Yeah if I had to put one on top of the other, I would put 9 on top of 7.
Steiner becomes soooo buff later in the game, after you get him back after the Alexandria stuff.
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On September 16 2010 10:07 Cloud wrote:
You couldn't exploit ff12's battle system fully either because you had to actually buy the gambits (wtf is that shit?) Some even were pretty expensive. Anyway, I don't know why there were so many negative reviews of the game, it's definitely the ff I have enjoyed the most, in every single aspect. Maybe I have a weird taste so I'll just stop here.
Also, I'm not trolling, asshole.
lol okay, i'm sorry. i just find it really difficult to comprehend how anything you say about 13 could be the truth. Of course if its your honest opinion I respect that, but to be honest myself, its just unbelievable anyone would say the game has good voice acting. I was -> <- this close to shoving screwdrivers in my ears after I had enough of Vanille.
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Since so many people said FF6 is awesome. I decided to try it. So far so good...
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FF Mystic Quest is the StarCraft 2 of the FF Series/Franchise.
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Hyrule19264 Posts
No..I'm not trolling.
Like...while picking Gunner for your entire team (10-2) works, it's definitely boring. The best part of 10-2 was using different combinations for different battles. The Alechemist dresssphere is OP.
9, Eiko was clearly the better Summoner, while Garnet was awesome at white magic. Steiner+Vivi is OP.
7, while not "zomg best gaem evahrrrr!!!" is still damn good. The plot is about political unrest and things like genetic modification (Super Soldier program) by a corrupt government. Getting lost when you play it [when you're 8 years old or whatever] is not a valid reason for not liking a game. Sorry if you think differently.
8...was fun, but yes the story was dumb.
12 wasn't played.
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