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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
September 10 2010 15:14 GMT
#21
As a new sc2 and terran player I'm interested to see where this ends .
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SlayerOfYou
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
58 Posts
September 10 2010 15:16 GMT
#22
Protoss wasn't easy to master in BW at all. It was the easiest race to get to a rank like C+ or B- on iccup with, but that's hardly "mastering" the race, because players at those ranks are still pretty bad. PvT becomes a nightmare at higher levels, and being able to consistently win against good terrans is extremely difficult.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I suppose I wasn't clear. For me I played Terran for years and only at the end of like a 9 year run did i reach the B rank with Terran . I did play protoss when i first started playing, and i just found it easier to get to achieve that same level with them. For me the Challenge of terran was in mastering the micro of bio and tech, tech of course being easier. Although in SC2 micro doesnt seem to be as difficult except for maybe sieging *now there are two keys to press to get them in and out of siege mode* and emp can be difficult at times with ghosts. I miss so much reavers in sc2, that was my favorite unit to micro with protoss. In sc2 the hardest thing to micro is templers, and storm which isn't all too difficult.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19077 Posts
September 10 2010 15:21 GMT
#23
Try Ghost first TvT, it's really good. Also, 1 rax Marauder TvP. In TvZ you can basically do whatever you want until Mutas pop.

Also, just as a side note, you can Nuke in all MU, though it's definitely hardest TvT.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 15:38:30
September 10 2010 15:38 GMT
#24
On September 10 2010 22:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i can go protoss and warpgate my way to 1200 diamond

your point?

have you done that? No? well than what are you talking about?
Great idea OP, btw i might do the same at some point
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24697 Posts
September 10 2010 15:49 GMT
#25
On September 11 2010 00:21 tofucake wrote:
In TvZ you can basically do whatever you want until Mutas pop.
I find this isn't true if they make an early banelings nest. You have to play specifically to deal with it just like mutas.
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 16:20:04
September 10 2010 16:19 GMT
#26
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24697 Posts
September 10 2010 16:24 GMT
#27
On September 11 2010 01:19 Inori wrote:
I can now safely say that, from my own personal experience, TvZ is seriously T favoured and tank nerf won't really fix this problem. I steamroll all 800-900 Zergs I meet (about 4 now) without even knowing what I'm doing (no reapers as well).

Can you post a few replays of you steamrolling zerg without them playing particularly badly and maybe analyze a couple of them? How are you doing tvz?
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9562 Posts
September 10 2010 16:25 GMT
#28
On September 11 2010 01:19 Inori wrote:
I can now safely say that, from my own personal experience, TvZ is seriously T favoured and tank nerf won't really fix this problem. I steamroll all 800-900 Zergs I meet (about 4 now) without even knowing what I'm doing (no reapers as well).


I agree with you(I'm a z player), but maybe just maybe, they don't know what they're doing aswell?
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
September 10 2010 16:37 GMT
#29
I kind of started doing this... haven't had time to dump in games lately, but sticking to a marine heavy marine/marauder/medivac build has rolled over the Protosses I have encountered- it hasn't even been close. I haven't even gotten to use tanks or ghosts or anything. Although it's basically what I observe in my games- where it is a large struggle to stop the first Terran push, but they just curl into the fetal position and die whereas I can usually get the ball mostly dead...

Also to the guy using a guest account and saying P>T? Rigght... people are not that good until you start hitting around 800ish diamond, and then you start running into people who have some RTS skill. Void rays are not that great against Terran if they build any marines/turrets. They're only good if the Terran goes really heavy on marauders, otherwise they seriously have to screw up to lose or be at a disadvantage. Viking/marine deters void rays from doing anything at all, since the vikings can plink away at them while the marines protect them.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 16:39:07
September 10 2010 16:38 GMT
#30
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 10 2010 16:44 GMT
#31
i seriously want terran to be nerfed even though i play it, the bm right now is ridiculous. also reapers aren't op, it's the easy transition to marauders that is.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 10 2010 17:18 GMT
#32
Well from your post i can tell you this:

you won that much with your offrace because you were playing a bunch of retards
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
September 10 2010 17:23 GMT
#33
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Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium45 Posts
September 10 2010 17:24 GMT
#34
Nice read
Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 17:46:00
September 10 2010 17:45 GMT
#35
I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol.

PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP.

I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 18:17:22
September 10 2010 18:15 GMT
#36
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote:
I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol.

PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP.

I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time.

Yeah, seriously.

I used to think the problem was just a slight ZvT imbalance, but lately I've been thinking Z is just weak all around. It wasn't the countless unit/strategy analysis threads or statistics on tl. It's the fact that me and my zerg peers can often beat each other off-racing. If someone with 20 Terran games under their belt can compete with someone with 500 Zerg games under their belt, something is seriously wrong. I guess one could argue that Zerg is just much, much harder to learn, but when this imbalance is seen at the top as well (as seen compiled in the recent stat thread) it just seems hopeless. If the minor nerfs of the upcoming patch don't cause significant change, I'll be switching to Terran. Uphill battles are only fun for so long.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
September 10 2010 18:16 GMT
#37
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote:
I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol.

PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP.

I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time.


hehe, yeah Muta ling/bling is getting really old. I've noticed that Terrans are starting to really handle it very well. Rather than getting a lot of thors, some very excellent terran players just rely on their great bio micro, and do a very very top notch job at macroing a huge bio ball.

In situations like that going back to the good 'ol Hydras ling bling mix works very well. What the hell is going on with this game.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
September 10 2010 18:20 GMT
#38
I really hope you run in good zergs using baneling muta (a lot of muta's). You will think twice before you say that TvZ is easy.
Dog22
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
September 10 2010 19:37 GMT
#39
I did a pretty similar experiment and came up with a similar result. I am a protoss player to the core and had never played terran at all. One day I decided to try it out for the first time knowing absolutely nothing -- no hotkeys, no build orders (except from playing against them), etc...

I played against a group of friends, most of them 1k+ in diamond. After the first 2-3 games, I could actually beat a few of them (the zerg were easier). My protoss friend, who is 1250 in diamond (was in top 100 when I did this, it was a few weeks ago), I beat him 2 times out of 5 games. It was a little sad. I know that he is a good player, so don't say stuff like he doesn't know what he's doing, blah blah blah.

However, I do agree with the fact that protoss is "easy" to learn and play, but I think that's only applicable at lower levels...since you can just 4 gate to get up to 1k diamond. But once people are aware of how to stop it, it's not as easy as people think...

Oh well, I probably shouldn't be posting this because there is no point in arguing against Terran players that their race is too strong. It'll just be the same replies defending their race. Most people just think their race is the weakest, so I suppose it can't be helped (although I'd say a huge majority think Terran is too strong, including a lot of Terran players).
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 10 2010 21:21 GMT
#40
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote:
I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol.


i doubt u played a wide array of scenarios

close position pvz is easy as hell

far position pvz, especially on certain maps, is hard as hell
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