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Deleted User 61629
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HeyitsClay
Canada336 Posts
doesn't really show "how easy" for say though, i picked up and pwned with off races fairly easy just on natural skill/logic | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
your point? | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:09 EleanorRIgby wrote: i can go protoss and warpgate my way to 1200 diamond your point? Not in the same game sample as a Terran. As a Zerg, I find warp gates rushes way easier to defend than a Terran's MMM ball. Also, being someone who has used all three races extensively, I have had way greater success with Terran rushes than Protoss, even though I've played roughly 200 more games as Protoss. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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ppont
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On September 10 2010 22:14 SCC-Faust wrote: Not in the same game sample as a Terran. As a Zerg, I find warp gates rushes way easier to defend than a Terran's MMM ball. Also, being someone who has used all three races extensively, I have had way greater success with Terran rushes than Protoss, even though I've played roughly 200 more games as Protoss. But 4gate is a specific timing attack, not an overarching unit composition like MM (M) is. To illustrate: I find 5 roach rush easier to counter than Muta/ling/Bling. While a bioball can be rushed it can also be used even lategame, like in the day9 daily with stalife. This is a great little experiment but seeing as there's 1 participant it's indicative of nothing. | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
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SlayerOfYou
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micronesia
United States24614 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:48 SlayerOfYou wrote: Have to say it is quite ironic people are saying that terran is the easiest race. In the first game, protoss was by far the easiest race to master. It is only an opinion but I feel like that has continued on to the second sc. The only difficult match up in the first one was for me PvZ. I dont know about what the most difficult mu for the second one is but i would have to assume it is probably the same. I don't know if I agree with this. Protoss was a little more accessible for weaker players, sure. But what do you mean by master? Is pvz difficult in any notable way in sc2 compared to other matchups or are you just giving your personal experience with that? | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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city42
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On September 10 2010 22:48 SlayerOfYou wrote: Have to say it is quite ironic people are saying that terran is the easiest race. In the first game, protoss was by far the easiest race to master. It is only an opinion but I feel like that has continued on to the second sc. The only difficult match up in the first one was for me PvZ. I dont know about what the most difficult mu for the second one is but i would have to assume it is probably the same. Protoss wasn't easy to master in BW at all. It was the easiest race to get to a rank like C+ or B- on iccup with, but that's hardly "mastering" the race, because players at those ranks are still pretty bad. PvT becomes a nightmare at higher levels, and being able to consistently win against good terrans is extremely difficult. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
I'm a Protoss player too, maybe I should try this with Zerg? I'm planning to play Zerg when we get access to the NA server anyway, this would be one way to test it out... You should keep track of your W/L records by race as well, it would be interesting to see how you are doing in each matchup. If you've never played the race before then the mirror should be the hardest matchup for you by far. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On September 10 2010 23:15 nttea wrote: So many terrans getting defensive? hmm! :D EDIT: actually i don't think terran is easier than protoss, theyre just overpowered I disagree, for reasons I've stated more than enough on the forums. TvZ is probably the hardest matchup for me when I play good Zs. That is, the ones that go mutas, force marines, and then completely demolish it with bling/infestor/ling. | ||
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SC2Syndicate
United States134 Posts
I used my guest accounts to play zerg and protoss, I played protoss in beta and switched to terran. With zerg I went 15-5, not that good- using 1 base infestor to double expo strats vs every race. The only loses I got were from an extremely quick banshee and 4 from 4-5 gate warp gate rushes. As protoss, I went 17-1 using several different strategies. Many involved a close stargate and 2 void rays vs terran and zerg. Versus protoss I experimented using a usually 2 gate opening to phoenix with a forge upgrading armor and shield on chrono boost. I would then steamroll most of the toss players with an army usually consisting of mass zealots and 8 stalkers + 8 phoenix, which would be lifting the units in the back which regularly would melt the zealots. I came to one conclusion- protoss is an extremely safe race. Most maps are wellfitted for them, especially ones with a gold expansion near the natural. Going for a fast observer versus respectable terrans seems to be a must, and then chrono boosts + correct tech decisions can usually counter what the terran is doing. I would continue playing protoss except I am seemingly garbage at pvp on a higher level- the phoenix zealot strat only works so many times. @ city, spider mines gave terrans a level of control that has nothing comparable in sc2. They are two different games. Pvt is not a nightmare in sc2, only maurader drops when distracted, or if for some reason the terran is turtling and has mustered a small army of banshees | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
I don't think Terran rapes Protoss, as it is obvious Protoss are definitely climbing the ladders at the moment. I just can't imagine Terran can complain when they definitely have a more open game to play than Protoss does. Very rarely can you see any Protoss being the aggressor and making the unit combo they want, rather than reactionary. And if they are, it is probably because they are very ahead anyways. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
I mean if you're going from plat protoss to diamond zerg that's impressive. Otherwise you can kinda just win by 'having more shit'. I've recently done the same, but zerg->protoss and within 50 or so game am playing 800 diamond players (my zerg is 850-900 diamond) just simply because I'm capable of macroing and having more shit. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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SlayerOfYou
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Yeah, I suppose I wasn't clear. For me I played Terran for years and only at the end of like a 9 year run did i reach the B rank with Terran . I did play protoss when i first started playing, and i just found it easier to get to achieve that same level with them. For me the Challenge of terran was in mastering the micro of bio and tech, tech of course being easier. Although in SC2 micro doesnt seem to be as difficult except for maybe sieging *now there are two keys to press to get them in and out of siege mode* and emp can be difficult at times with ghosts. I miss so much reavers in sc2, that was my favorite unit to micro with protoss. In sc2 the hardest thing to micro is templers, and storm which isn't all too difficult. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19002 Posts
Also, just as a side note, you can Nuke in all MU, though it's definitely hardest TvT. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On September 10 2010 22:09 EleanorRIgby wrote: i can go protoss and warpgate my way to 1200 diamond your point? have you done that? No? well than what are you talking about? Great idea OP, btw i might do the same at some point | ||
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micronesia
United States24614 Posts
On September 11 2010 00:21 tofucake wrote: I find this isn't true if they make an early banelings nest. You have to play specifically to deal with it just like mutas.In TvZ you can basically do whatever you want until Mutas pop. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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micronesia
United States24614 Posts
On September 11 2010 01:19 Inori wrote: I can now safely say that, from my own personal experience, TvZ is seriously T favoured and tank nerf won't really fix this problem. I steamroll all 800-900 Zergs I meet (about 4 now) without even knowing what I'm doing (no reapers as well). Can you post a few replays of you steamrolling zerg without them playing particularly badly and maybe analyze a couple of them? How are you doing tvz? | ||
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Latham
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On September 11 2010 01:19 Inori wrote: I can now safely say that, from my own personal experience, TvZ is seriously T favoured and tank nerf won't really fix this problem. I steamroll all 800-900 Zergs I meet (about 4 now) without even knowing what I'm doing (no reapers as well). I agree with you(I'm a z player), but maybe just maybe, they don't know what they're doing aswell? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Also to the guy using a guest account and saying P>T? Rigght... people are not that good until you start hitting around 800ish diamond, and then you start running into people who have some RTS skill. Void rays are not that great against Terran if they build any marines/turrets. They're only good if the Terran goes really heavy on marauders, otherwise they seriously have to screw up to lose or be at a disadvantage. Viking/marine deters void rays from doing anything at all, since the vikings can plink away at them while the marines protect them. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
you won that much with your offrace because you were playing a bunch of retards | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Nactive
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP. I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote: I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol. PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP. I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time. Yeah, seriously. I used to think the problem was just a slight ZvT imbalance, but lately I've been thinking Z is just weak all around. It wasn't the countless unit/strategy analysis threads or statistics on tl. It's the fact that me and my zerg peers can often beat each other off-racing. If someone with 20 Terran games under their belt can compete with someone with 500 Zerg games under their belt, something is seriously wrong. I guess one could argue that Zerg is just much, much harder to learn, but when this imbalance is seen at the top as well (as seen compiled in the recent stat thread) it just seems hopeless. If the minor nerfs of the upcoming patch don't cause significant change, I'll be switching to Terran. Uphill battles are only fun for so long. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote: I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol. PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP. I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time. hehe, yeah Muta ling/bling is getting really old. I've noticed that Terrans are starting to really handle it very well. Rather than getting a lot of thors, some very excellent terran players just rely on their great bio micro, and do a very very top notch job at macroing a huge bio ball. In situations like that going back to the good 'ol Hydras ling bling mix works very well. What the hell is going on with this game. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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Dog22
United States140 Posts
I played against a group of friends, most of them 1k+ in diamond. After the first 2-3 games, I could actually beat a few of them (the zerg were easier). My protoss friend, who is 1250 in diamond (was in top 100 when I did this, it was a few weeks ago), I beat him 2 times out of 5 games. It was a little sad. I know that he is a good player, so don't say stuff like he doesn't know what he's doing, blah blah blah. However, I do agree with the fact that protoss is "easy" to learn and play, but I think that's only applicable at lower levels...since you can just 4 gate to get up to 1k diamond. But once people are aware of how to stop it, it's not as easy as people think... Oh well, I probably shouldn't be posting this because there is no point in arguing against Terran players that their race is too strong. It'll just be the same replies defending their race. Most people just think their race is the weakest, so I suppose it can't be helped (although I'd say a huge majority think Terran is too strong, including a lot of Terran players). | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote: I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol. i doubt u played a wide array of scenarios close position pvz is easy as hell far position pvz, especially on certain maps, is hard as hell | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
Haven't played terran since beta, picked it on accident for a ladder game, won a TvP making up a gameplan as I went. Game was actually pretty easy too. Best part was getting flamed for using imba race before other guy quit ^^ | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Thanks god we have the high templars for mid / late game. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On September 11 2010 06:21 travis wrote: i doubt u played a wide array of scenarios close position pvz is easy as hell far position pvz, especially on certain maps, is hard as hell As a Zerg I agree with this. | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
On September 11 2010 06:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: As a Zerg I agree with this. It all seems to have to do with the early zealot aggression, and whether or not it can damage the zergs economy. I think ZvP will become most Zergs favourite match up after the next patch, being able to add those few extra drones will make an amazing difference. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:40 PaD wrote: A protoss whining about terran being easy ? seriously now... agreed | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + Cool experiment, man.  | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On September 11 2010 02:45 Ao_Jun wrote: I play terran at 1350ish atm. I just picked protoss for fun today (no cheese), i won some games at 1300+ level. PvZ is just as easy as TvZ lol. PvT is hard tho, you need a real strategy just like you do in TvP. I think they should buff zerg instead of nerfing terran, I'm tired of muta/baneling all the time. What happens if you randomly pick Z? | ||
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Lumire
United States607 Posts
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VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
(I am a 1200+ diamond Protoss) Thanks for the idea ! | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
I dont know if I am any more convinced terran is OP, but it does seem to backup my belief that they are more straightforward to learn initially. That said, I woudlnt undervalue the experience/game knowledge you have as 900 Diamond toss. Curious to see how your zerg run goes, and would like to see other people's results in similar race swapping scenarios. Great thread! | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On September 10 2010 21:47 Inori wrote: Overall I think Terran is a easy to learn, straightfoward race, very beginner-friendly Is it just me, or does this remind anyone else all those iccup patrons complaining about P being the easy race? You could climb the ranks a lot faster, but when you got stuck you were stuck at the same rank for a while allowing other sides to catch up. SC2 doesn't have that many ranks but I'm curious to see how well that matches up... | ||
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