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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
No this isn't a review about the game and its content. Follow the tourney threads or something for that 
Let me start off by saying that I have never watched/followed any foreign leagues because despite the entertaining commentary, I have found it hard for someone like me, who has never followed SC2 that closely at all even during the beta phase, to keep up with all the BO and jargon thrown around by the commentators. It may be interesting for those who've been keeping up-to-date but for someone like me, it was rather difficult.
Which is why I found GSL's commentary, despite being done by GOM commentators (who I have to admit, have gotten a bit more knowledgeable and less irritating to listen to), much easier to understand and follow. Points for that to GOM.
One thing I really hated was the korean names for the SC2 units. Literal translations of "ghosts" and SCVs becoming 'construction robots' (lol) was kinda weird as heck.
Watching day 1 of GSL made me realise that yes, this can be successful as an e-sports, (of course, still too early to tell), but it needs to be widely accessible and understandable by even the noobest of players. That's when commentators come in. If we have a SC2 version of Kim Carrier or TheMarine, hell, SC2 as a spectator esports will take off pretty fast. That's what I believe.
TL;DR: SC2 has the potential to be a huge spectator sport in Korea given the right commentators.
 
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That girl commentators voice is EXTREMELY annoying to hear.. its gotta be even worse for those who actually understand the words comming out of her mouth.
I do agree that the commentators play a HUGE role in SC2s success as a spectator sport. Hopefully GOM can step it up for the korean crowd.
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can't wait for oversky and daezang to debut live.
given how only like one person who has come from the scene (JU HOON) has failed commentating out of the 4590459045 to, i don't see oversky + daezang fucking up.
also oversky has lots of experience with live broadcasting with ogn, which helps.
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YES for Kim Carrier!!!
I thought it was pretty interesting, but I have to admit I enjoy watching BW more. I think it probably has to do with the games that were played (fairly one sided). I do think SC2 has potential. Another thing I didn't like was the stream chat...just not the same as BW stream chat. Lots more trolls (I know, I know just close the chat)... 
I haven't done much reading on the actual GSL and the format / settings, so please don't attack me for asking but was GSL run through bnet 2.0 or did Blizzard actually have a LAN there? I was REALLY hoping for them to lag out during one of the games in front of all the blizzard people. I think that would have been hilarious.
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I really didn't like any of the games. If we saw similar games in BW they'd all be called boring or 1 sided. The only thing I was mildly impressed by was+ Show Spoiler +. Every game was so short though. If Sc2 is gonna succeed, Blizzard has to offer players either a greater advantage on defense or something to that nature to allow players to fast expand. That, or we have to work out macro builds, cause games that all end in under 13 minutes is pretty lame
Edit: I meant to spoiler that, not bold it my bad
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what's the 2nd largest esport in korea? sudden attack? kart rider? war3?
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Tasteless and Artosis are good but not $20 a month good.
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On September 05 2010 11:25 SubtleArt wrote:
I really didn't like any of the games. If we saw similar games in BW they'd all be called boring or 1 sided. The only thing I was mildly impressed by was Idra's defense in game 1. Every game was so short though. If Sc2 is gonna succeed, Blizzard has to offer players either a greater advantage on defense or something to that nature to allow players to fast expand. That, or we have to work out macro builds, cause games that all end in under 13 minutes is pretty lame
While 1 base play is probably a bit more common than it should be in high level play, the GOM games were that way due to a wide skill disparity in both sets, and the obvious fuck up in game 1 of set 2 (no forcefield). I'm sure you'll see better games as the tourney progresses.
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On September 05 2010 11:09 Senx wrote:
That girl commentators voice is EXTREMELY annoying to hear.. its gotta be even worse for those who actually understand the words comming out of her mouth.
I do agree that the commentators play a HUGE role in SC2s success as a spectator sport. Hopefully GOM can step it up for the korean crowd.
+1, my ears felt like they were bleeding.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On September 05 2010 11:25 SubtleArt wrote:
I really didn't like any of the games. If we saw similar games in BW they'd all be called boring or 1 sided. The only thing I was mildly impressed by was Idra's defense in game 1. Every game was so short though. If Sc2 is gonna succeed, Blizzard has to offer players either a greater advantage on defense or something to that nature to allow players to fast expand. That, or we have to work out macro builds, cause games that all end in under 13 minutes is pretty lame
+ Show Spoiler [GSL spoilers] +have to agree with this, 2nd game was just kinda like the T trying to pull off a fancy and ended up not doing any real damage and just losing due to sticking to medivac drops. first game i was impressed with idra's defense because he managed to predict the reapers and all the subsequent drops, as well as minimizing any damage.
and yes, i'm kinda sick of watching every game starting off with 1 base play. where are all the 14cc or whatever builds?!
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On September 05 2010 11:27 jalstar wrote:
Tasteless and Artosis are good but not $20 a month good. Disagree. If GomTV works out their streaming issues (Iam sure they will because this was their first broastcast in forever) Id be willing to pay 20$. 20$ for a whole moneth of entertainment sounds good to me
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On September 05 2010 11:40 konadora wrote:
and yes, i'm kinda sick of watching every game starting off with 1 base play. where are all the 14cc or whatever builds?!
lol yeah, my favorite build from BW is gone (2base arbiter)
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Canada2480 Posts
On September 05 2010 11:09 Senx wrote:
That girl commentators voice is EXTREMELY annoying to hear.. its gotta be even worse for those who actually understand the words comming out of her mouth.
I do agree that the commentators play a HUGE role in SC2s success as a spectator sport. Hopefully GOM can step it up for the korean crowd.
Girls were not made to commentate sports indeed,
I also agree that after listening a bit of SC2 it has potential to be a good E-sports but it reallyl acks that impressive feeling, I am rarely impressed by what the players can pull off, maybe it's because of smart-cast and the spells being much weaker, but everything lacks that impressive feeling I get when i watch a scarab go boom, muta micro, storms, Dark swarms, plagues, bio control.
SC2 is good, I often catch myself watching it but it is still far from BroodWar unfortunately.
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thedeadhaji
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girl commentator reminds me of the ogn war3 commentator
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On September 05 2010 11:40 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 11:25 SubtleArt wrote:
I really didn't like any of the games. If we saw similar games in BW they'd all be called boring or 1 sided. The only thing I was mildly impressed by was Idra's defense in game 1. Every game was so short though. If Sc2 is gonna succeed, Blizzard has to offer players either a greater advantage on defense or something to that nature to allow players to fast expand. That, or we have to work out macro builds, cause games that all end in under 13 minutes is pretty lame + Show Spoiler [GSL spoilers] +have to agree with this, 2nd game was just kinda like the T trying to pull off a fancy and ended up not doing any real damage and just losing due to sticking to medivac drops. first game i was impressed with idra's defense because he managed to predict the reapers and all the subsequent drops, as well as minimizing any damage.
and yes, i'm kinda sick of watching every game starting off with 1 base play. where are all the 14cc or whatever builds?!
It will be much better when they have:
1. more 4p maps
2. bigger maps
3. no backdoor mains/nats
For now everything except Z is pretty much one base play. I personally don't like it too much either.
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On September 05 2010 11:59 thedeadhaji wrote:
girl commentator reminds me of the ogn war3 commentator
You mean MBC war3 commentator. She actually worked as a MBC war3 commentator couple years ago. Even before that she was the commentator for ITV(dead station)'s starcraft games.
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not everyone likes 20 min+ games
everytime i watch a BW replay on youtube i skip the first 5-10 minutes cause it's just a video of players expanding
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On September 05 2010 12:17 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 11:40 konadora wrote:On September 05 2010 11:25 SubtleArt wrote:
I really didn't like any of the games. If we saw similar games in BW they'd all be called boring or 1 sided. The only thing I was mildly impressed by was Idra's defense in game 1. Every game was so short though. If Sc2 is gonna succeed, Blizzard has to offer players either a greater advantage on defense or something to that nature to allow players to fast expand. That, or we have to work out macro builds, cause games that all end in under 13 minutes is pretty lame + Show Spoiler [GSL spoilers] +have to agree with this, 2nd game was just kinda like the T trying to pull off a fancy and ended up not doing any real damage and just losing due to sticking to medivac drops. first game i was impressed with idra's defense because he managed to predict the reapers and all the subsequent drops, as well as minimizing any damage.
and yes, i'm kinda sick of watching every game starting off with 1 base play. where are all the 14cc or whatever builds?! It will be much better when they have: 1. more 4p maps 2. bigger maps 3. no backdoor mains/nats For now everything except Z is pretty much one base play. I personally don't like it too much either.
Also, more defendable naturals (less open).
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On September 05 2010 12:24 awu25 wrote:
not everyone likes 20 min+ games
everytime i watch a BW replay on youtube i skip the first 5-10 minutes cause it's just a video of players expanding
While this is somewhat true, it's pretty risky :p
Example (skip to 7:00 for the actual game) :
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwkYpTTkGcc
One of my favorites games of 2009 :D
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