EPTGosuCoaching.com = Scammers / Fraud - Page 5
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MightyAtom
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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Fumi
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:47 Fumi wrote: Kinda hard to believe that Inc of all people would just come here and make a huge post lying about all this, and totally not expecting Louder to read it. Gonna need some more information on the matter. Either way, coaching players was always a great idea, and before I decided to stop SC2 I was actually thinking of trying it out. So I hope everything turns out well, be it gosucoaching continuing on or Inc's new project kicking in. I doubt Inc was lying. These aren't randoms, these are well respected members of the community. Inc is a mod of this site. As Louder said in one of his posts, him and Inc haven't been seeing eye to eye lately. I'm thinking it is more of a miscommunication if anything. They just got in over their heads. Frustrated coaches, frustrated administrators and frustrated clients. Not a good combination for people to deal with, give them some slack folks. Good luck both of you in getting your businesses up (or back up) and running. | ||
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Fumi
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Fallen33
United States596 Posts
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monad
United States156 Posts
You have to eliminate the scheduling coordination between the leader and the coaches. Either have coaches enter their availability into an online calendar and then students can just directly sign up for available timeslots. The website has to be responsible for the scheduling. Alternatively, just have the student sign up and use an online calendar to select his available times for the next 2 weeks, and select a race and/or coach. This would email all coaches of the appropriate race, and a coach could "claim" it. Under both of these scenarios, Louder doesn't have to be involved at all. it involves some more website work though. That being said, I think I got lucky because in the past week I paid for some time with Psyonic and it was totally delivered as promised. I guess I got lucky with the scheduling and mine went through, but I had a good experience and would use again if it were brought back. | ||
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Nefra
United Kingdom37 Posts
On September 01 2010 11:01 xyos wrote: Hey, I just wanted to let the community know that GosuCoaching.com is a big scam site, my friend bought a lessons from them, they requested payment right away, than said it would be months before the lessons, and now are completely ignoring his emails. He's had to open a paypal dispute to attempt to get his money back, I would avoid using this site at all costs here is my email convo -http://yfrog.com/g0gosuscamj 10 days no respnose, AFTER they won't respond for 5 days after first payment, they set dates, than didin't respond again, and won't respond to emails. You obviously have no reason usually to not like scam sites, judging by the WoW account selling sites in your bookmarks. Also just for the record, try having some courtesy and blocking your friends names in the SS as well as your own. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
If you (the coach) have too much demand and not enough time to teach ... either refer the customer to one of your other coaching friends or raise the tutoring price. | ||
micronesia
United States24569 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:24 Kage wrote: Incontrol delivers again. He's been an excellent coach and overall person in general. I'm sure we can work this out in a much more systematic way. Micronesia, If you'd pay 100-150 $ and hear from no one for 10 days, wouldn't you be really upset? Especially when you are looking forward to the lessons? Yes, I would be upset. I've been put through several things much worse than that recently. In no case did I respond differently than how I've said in this thread I would respond. I tend to be calm and level-headed about this sort of crap while getting it sorted out due to having an unfortunate amount of experience with it. Most people get heated and do things like make/support inflammatory threads accusing others of heinous crimes without putting any personal effort into attempting to find out what the heck is happening (you'll find this is my general attitude in threads all across teamliquid in every forum, and I constantly take flak for this). What Gosucoaching did is obviously wrong and I'm sure they will admit it, but I'm also sure they will rectify this as they are all good guys who really are trying to do the right thing. I say this not as a personal friend of them but as someone who has observed their 'business' carefully. | ||
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
I personally wouldn't pay money to get coached in Starcraft, but whatever makes you money and is legal is all good to me. Everyone needs money, so why not do it by doing something you love. Good luck in future endeavours EG and Gosucoaching. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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TheWoodLeagueAllstar
United Kingdom617 Posts
* I though the lesson idea was a good idea, not something i would use but i was new to stracraft and i can totally see the value in learning how it works before stepping online, theres just so much you wont know early on. I cant vouch for plat to diamond coaching but for new people i think this is good. * It seems you guys had 0 business acumen and naivety when you are handling other peoples money and expectations is no excuse for shafting them, these people have equitable and legal interests in this service and some have some very serious complaints. * It seems to me completely beyond belief you would take the money before a lesson is planned and scheduled, it seems like you were opening yourself up to huge complications, it baffles the mind why you guys didnt organise a time, a coach and then when both met for the lesson THEN payment was confirmed and processed, that way both can be assured the lesson is taking place. * You cannot blame the huge take off for the failure because it was not, you decided how much business you wanted to take on and you took on too much and again you cannot blame naivety, there is a standard expected when peoples money is on the line no matter how small. * Incontrol i think your awesome but it was such a poor move in the wake of knowing this was going to come out in announcing a new site and product because regardless of your individual invovelment in this, which is cloudy to me given Louders responses, you are now a poster boy with Louder, simply because you responded. Im glad you did, but thats the way it is. If lessons are learned and everyone hurt is paid back im sure we can all call this a day and chalk everything down to naivety, if anything good is to come out of it then it is in future you will all take a vested interest in businesses you are associated in, especially when they are being run by people clearly unprepared for success. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
I mean most businesses don't look at 'too many clients' as a bad thing, close up shop, and run for the hills! LOL obv. Louder is not a business major. I mean he could have just expanded the enterprise or he could have even raised the fee! Supply and demand? Hell he could have said that due to the extraordinary number of requests and demand costs are going up to several hundred dollars an hour until a larger infrastructure is in place! | ||
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AgentMulder
United States54 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:05 Louder wrote: This is inaccurate, overwhelmingly so. Gosucoaching is doing damage control due to some problems where scheduling got so behind, we simply had to pull the plug (for now) on individual lessons. We are NOT closing up shop. Period. WE ARE NOT CLOSING UP SHOP. Incontrol has been planning to do something separately for a while and seems over-eager to tell the world the site is closing, but that's drama to be had off the forum  Please file a dispute with PayPal and we'll get you settled up. (Attempted) damage control at it's finest... | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:06 Louder wrote: Also, since this was aired publicly, even though I addressed it in my main post, do not believe that coaches are getting shafted. They are not. There's a narrow window of time for which I can't pay them for lessons, which means a couple of them will lose out on a little money, but it can't be helped - and this whole thing will end up personally costing me hundreds, which I can certainly live with What do you call it when a coach does coaching, (Machine did 700+ $ worth) and doesn't get paid? I understand you told him he may get some of that back. That is the definition of being "shafted." Also that unpaid time wasn't a small window.. it was 3 weeks. Additionally, all this stuff with the site was never discussed with me, your supposed #2. The email, never got to me, I called/texted you NOTHING. So don't start with a conspiracy theory that I had this planned or something. I am a professional coach and I am looking at the head of the website issuing a giant blanket refund to the would be students and then announcing that individual coaching is canceled on a website FOR INDIVIDUAL COACHING. You tell me what I was supposed to believe? | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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