EPTso i guess this means louder is off team eg?
i'm so confused
GosuCoaching.com = Scammers / Fraud - Page 7
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
so i guess this means louder is off team eg? i'm so confused | ||
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monad
United States156 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:21 Rekrul wrote: so it was scamming after all??? except towards employees not clients? so i guess this means louder is off team eg? i'm so confused Until Louder or iNcontroL says why coaches didn't get paid, I don't think it's safe to make any assumptions. Even if some of the speculation flying around in this thread is true, "scamming" is a bit harsh of a word. I think it implies a certain level of intent, which I've seen no indication of any intent from the beginning. Just bad business decisions, and worse damage control. | ||
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xyos
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jester121
10 Posts
Make it right. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
read some of the early responses to this thread they really tore the OP to shreds LOL and he turns out to be a not so rare case note to self - never ever ever start a feud with well established TL members, no matter how right I feel I am | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:45 jester121 wrote: "Don't have time to figure out refunds" sounds like a BS excuse to me -- I know if I'd screwed up and cost customers or coaches money, I'd stay awake all night and call off sick from work while I sat and figured it all out, no matter what. Even if it takes pencil and a stack of index cards and a paper ledger. The program is shut down, it's not like you're juggling new incoming business, like a buried business might be, while trying to sort out an accounting mess. Make it right. ya and 'file a paypal complaint to get ur $ sorted out' is a big LOOOOOOOOOL | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Louder is not an evil man. He did not try and fuck people over. When I posted saying that some people were getting shafted or "exploited" it was in defense of him saying I essentially made that up. What it really is is Louder made some poor business choices and when shit hit the fan he reacted (imo) poorly. That cost people like Machine, Lzgamer and others money they had already worked for. I do not know his reasoning for saying they could not be paid in a "small window of time" (3 weeks for machine) so he will have to clear that up for himself. Louder also said I am inaccurate. He is probably 100% correct. I was not told any of the internal issues were happening. I was not made aware that things were anywhere near as bad as they were but to me that only makes it worse. I was supposed to be his #2 and he literally made a dozen decisions without even telling me they were made. This equated to the "hiatus" of the website. So I guess I can retract: The site isn't closed, it is just "down." That is his call, and I was wrong to say otherwise. The other things I am inaccurate about I have no idea. I posted in honesty from my perspective and from what I KNOW having spent the last month with machine, lz, future, psyonic etc in person doing the camp and tourneys. I have nothing to gain, I didn't plan some split to go out on my own.. I was VERY happy with gosucoaching. All this "drama" now seems to be in part because Louder is dealing with some extreme family pressure AND a business outgrowing it's management. I hold no personal grudge with Louder. That does not however change the fact that people were screwed and it was handled poorly. I believe in accountability amongst friends as well as business associates. Me asking for that does not make me an enemy in my mind. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
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diggurd
Norway346 Posts
but wait a minute, this isnt even a blog? first micro makes a fool out of the OP. then kwark states he will close the thread. finally manifesto moves it to blogs? TL you used to stand so tall | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
tbh after all this mess i wont do any kind of money dealings from members of TL no matter how reputable they are. it seems these ppl just dont know how to run a business. and im definitely not going to deal with gosu coaching and idk why anyone would after this mess. i was planning on scheduling a lesson sometime in the future with one of the coaches just to try it out and was already skeptical about doing it, but this post and louders post put the nail in the coffin. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On September 02 2010 10:34 Ballistixz wrote: the way TL members tore a new hole into the OP about his claims (despite him giving proof a few posts after his OP) and then the drama with Gosucoaching from incontrol and louder made me loose faith in this site. tbh after all this mess i wont do any kind of money dealings from members of TL no matter how reputable they are. it seems these ppl just dont know how to run a business. and im definitely not going to deal with gosu coaching and idk why anyone would after this mess. i was planning on scheduling a lesson sometime in the future with one of the coaches just to try it out and was already skeptical about doing it, but this post and louders post put the nail in the coffin. What the hell does this have to do with other members of TL, louder has never been a big presence here. This whole thing reflects badly on him, not us. I can't believe you would condemn a site so quickly over 1 unrelated business while most members here have done so much for the community. | ||
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mikesaysno
United States85 Posts
I hope you get your idea of that coaching hub off the ground incontrol. I know I would certainly use that site, and I'm sure plenty of others would as well. | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/23m7tjd.jpg) Since when is it too much to ask for prospective clients to just contact the Star2 coaches directly and set something up. Good luck to all those involved though. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
The site will literally just be a template of contact info for various coaches and the main page will just be used to announce/advertise tourneys, showmatches, events, the gosuguide etc.. We are also planning our next camp which will obviously have to be renamed  That said everything will continue as was just simpler. | ||
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monad
United States156 Posts
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iNcontroL
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AgentMulder
United States54 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
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