EPTGosuCoaching.com = Scammers / Fraud - Page 9
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Xeris
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Manifesto is saying that the thread is libel - which means it senselessly attacks an organization and makes larger than life claims from something much smaller. It is unfair to treat an organization that way. The reason he opened it (imo) again is because there is a good discussion about GosuCoaching going on, it is important for people to know what happened and what went wrong, etc. However, just badmouthing an organization is wrong. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
but then I am reminded: A. They aren't actually going to leave the community B. People with that attitude rarely make a difference anyways. I am sorry you feel like an abrasive OP that brings on a close from a new moderator and is later reopened by an experienced admin is somehow justification for the degradation of this entire forum. That said I think you might want to reduce your hair trigger assumption tendency and give TL a chance. It's been around for nearly a decade.. I think it will survive the gosucoaching drama. | ||
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ICCup.Tesla
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MacroNcheesE
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Chicodog
Denmark154 Posts
iNcontroL, I hope the new site is a succes. With direct contact and a clean structure. | ||
micronesia
United States24569 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I am always a little sad when someone so quickly writes TL off over an incident.. but then I am reminded: A. They aren't actually going to leave the community B. People with that attitude rarely make a difference anyways. I am sorry you feel like an abrasive OP that brings on a close from a new moderator and is later reopened by an experienced admin is somehow justification for the degradation of this entire forum. That said I think you might want to reduce your hair trigger assumption tendency and give TL a chance. It's been around for nearly a decade.. I think it will survive the gosucoaching drama. I want to expand upon this a bit actually. Kwark's decision to close the thread was not really an unreasonable one. If the title of the thread had been something like "Gosucoaching took my money and is ignoring my e-mails" this entire issue would have went differently. The evidence the OP eventually added after we requested it (the screen shot of e-mail) would have actually supported his claim fairly well and the GosuCoaching situation would have come to light anyway. However, the OP was claiming that the organization was a bunch of scammers. Calling a bunch of people scammers who have given a lot to the foreign starcraft 1/2 community and have had a very good reputation for the past several months (no complaints of this sort) is going to be met with a lot of resistance unless you really back yourself up well in that claim. I don't think anyone is really that shocked that the group screwed up with the backlog and poor customer service, despite this (regardless of who specifically messed up or how it happened). They would however be shocked if it was malicious. Kwark was therefore not wrong that it was a bad thread in the capacity of its title. I haven't discussed this with Mani but I believe he re-opened the thread because he thought it was the most logical place to pursue what had actually happened between the OP and Gosucoaching. I suppose he could have just as easily messaged the OP and asked to create a new thread that sticks to the facts instead of accusations of fraud, but there could be other issues with doing that so I dunno. Personally I didn't do any type of moderation in the thread due to my belief that the truth would make itself evident, which it did (here's to hoping that there aren't any dark secrets regarding this issue yet to be revealed lol) | ||
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Diamond
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On September 03 2010 06:44 Ballistixz wrote: no it does not, but that isnt the point. look at the way the mods and other members handled the OP with his complaints about gosucoaching despite the evidence he has shown. To be fair, from the posts close to the posting time and the numerous edits on the first/second page, it seems the guy edited in the evidence at 11:09 (my time) and Kwark's response was at 11:13, so if he saw the post at any time before 11:09 to read/write his response, there wasn't any evidence. All everyone would've saw who opened before 11:09 and did not refresh would've been this: On September 01 2010 11:01 xyos wrote: Hey, I just wanted to let the community know that GosuCoaching.com is a big scam site, my friend bought a lessons from them, they requested payment right away, than said it would be months before the lessons, and now are completely ignoring his emails. He's had to open a paypal dispute to attempt to get his money back, I would avoid using this site at all costs. If I read that, I'd think he was full of shit too. | ||
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Kraiden
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
can someone gimme a review on how an hour would look like? cause i ve no idea D: | ||
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mbt0022
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Archas
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Megaliskuu
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R1CH
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