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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
September 01 2010 03:09 GMT
#41
I really feel bad for Gosu Coaching. It was a wonderful idea. I hope your new business model works better.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
September 01 2010 03:10 GMT
#42
Yeah, even though there was a lot of rage by the OP, this thread was needed.

I always thought if ppl want to coach SC2, they should just do it individually instead of have this collective website thing. Just don't make the mistake of overbooking. Each coach fends for himself, schedules for himself, advertises for himself, etc.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
September 01 2010 03:12 GMT
#43
On September 01 2010 12:06 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 11:59 micronesia wrote:
On September 01 2010 11:56 TadH wrote:
Looks like the OP's rage was founded after all.

Rage? Perhaps. But this thread wasn't a good way to deal with it. Maybe he just had no idea of alternate ways to get in touch with them?

It was a good method. Gosucoaching wasn't responding to their client. They weren't going to confess their faults unless someone wrote a bad review on TL. Without this post, some people will continue to sign up for gosucoaching and not get the service that they deserve in return.

I agree if he didn't realize there were other ways to get in touch with these guys... but since he was posting here I'd think he would know he could just pm one or two of them and give them a chance in case there really were e-mail bugs etc.
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dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
September 01 2010 03:15 GMT
#44
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Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
September 01 2010 03:16 GMT
#45
On September 01 2010 12:10 lac29 wrote:
Yeah, even though there was a lot of rage by the OP, this thread was needed.

I always thought if ppl want to coach SC2, they should just do it individually instead of have this collective website thing. Just don't make the mistake of overbooking. Each coach fends for himself, schedules for himself, advertises for himself, etc.


I think it's fine for several coaches to represent a website. As long as the coaches themselves are contacting the student, there shouldn't be any issues with conflicting schedules, time zones, etc.

Best of luck with the new website, iNcontroL.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 03:19:22
September 01 2010 03:18 GMT
#46
On September 01 2010 12:15 dronebabo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 11:59 micronesia wrote:
On September 01 2010 11:56 TadH wrote:
Looks like the OP's rage was founded after all.

Rage? Perhaps. But this thread wasn't a good way to deal with it. Maybe he just had no idea of alternate ways to get in touch with them?

why would he need to have alternate ways to get in touch with them? they should be responding by their listed email and this is obviously a good way to get their attention if they don't respond

A thread explaining the situation would be reasonable since it would get the ball rolling with figuring out what the heck is going on (not that TL is officially tied to gosucoaching, but we are nice like that?). As I said above it could have been an e-mail problem etc... He didn't make a thread trying to get it resolved... he made an inflammatory thread that was also terrible for about 3 reasons. It still got the job done though so I will admit that... although I'm not sure if this was actually his goal or not.
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dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
September 01 2010 03:22 GMT
#47
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
September 01 2010 03:24 GMT
#48
Actually I did say his anger could be understandable. I think you and I just see something like this differently. I lean too far in the opposite direction though probably, but I wouldn't have done what the OP did.
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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 03:28:10
September 01 2010 03:25 GMT
#49
Hate to hear it, coaches.

Incontrol - Don't give up on that coaching vision. Clearly it's something people want, and are willing to pay for. It just needs to be done right.

There are several successful business people around TL. I'm sure any one of them would be willing to give you advice, should you ever need it. (I run a residential rental company, and would love to field questions from an aspiring entrepreneur)

Starting a business is hard, but if you put in the time, and the sweat, and the tears (and there will be lots of those) you'll find it to be the most rewarding thing you've ever done.

Best of luck to you guys in the future.

edit: And for what its worth, businesses can't be run on good intentions. You (and everyone involved) have to realize that running a company, regardless of scope, is a full time job. If its not treated as such, it can never succeed.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 03:28:13
September 01 2010 03:27 GMT
#50
On September 01 2010 12:16 cowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 12:10 lac29 wrote:
Yeah, even though there was a lot of rage by the OP, this thread was needed.

I always thought if ppl want to coach SC2, they should just do it individually instead of have this collective website thing. Just don't make the mistake of overbooking. Each coach fends for himself, schedules for himself, advertises for himself, etc.


I think it's fine for several coaches to represent a website. As long as the coaches themselves are contacting the student, there shouldn't be any issues with conflicting schedules, time zones, etc.

Best of luck with the new website, iNcontroL.


You know what I think (again this is my speculation) ... that most ppl who signed up for gosucoaching probably wanted to be taught by 1 or 2 specific coaches out of the whole pool. And there are probably a bunch of gosucoaching coaches who won't be able to get that much business now that they have to fend for themselves. It's pretty obvious Incontrol was the most popular coach.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 01 2010 03:49 GMT
#51
I truly do appreciate the words of support. I also fully understand the words of condemnation and frustration.

I am working towards a better future.

This failure hurts the coaches as well as the prospective clients equally. Please know it is in our best interest to rectify this and make all things right.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 01 2010 03:49 GMT
#52
While I agree his frustration is understandable, he took it way to far. No need to rage about it on the TL forums. The people there are people that are regulars at this site and the site started out fine with many people liking it. So given its history its really more plausible that it wasn't some scam. Think things through and have a little more faith in people imo.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 01 2010 04:19 GMT
#53
To take this to a thread and literally title the thread that gosucoaching is a scam website/fraud website is absolutely ridiculous. Running into an issue like this is not a fraud or scam, its just internal troubles. iNcontroL already stated that the problems will be fixed so I don't see why this thread is still titled in such a way, its rather unfortunate as it really puts a bad name on the coahces that don't deserve the bad name.
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bontez
Profile Joined March 2010
United States165 Posts
September 01 2010 04:21 GMT
#54
imo Incontrol couldn't have given a better response. He addressed the issue in a very good manner, and actually took responsibility even though he's probably not to blame. Best of luck to your future coaching plans incontrol.
Chesner
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Iceland817 Posts
September 01 2010 04:34 GMT
#55
On September 01 2010 13:21 bontez wrote:
imo Incontrol couldn't have given a better response. He addressed the issue in a very good manner, and actually took responsibility even though he's probably not to blame. Best of luck to your future coaching plans incontrol.


Which is why he was voted sexiest member of EG! :D
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 04:37:39
September 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#56
Incontrol gave a great response. Someone with a level head like yourself will be able to salvage this idea and make it work for sure.

However, hindsight is 20/20...Why the fuck are people still blaming the OP. Making a thread was PERFECTLY FINE after TEN fucking days. It's logical to believe they wouldn't respond to PMs if they didn't respond to emails.

I mean the people who are saying the OP shouldn't have made a thread like this...Does your logic somehow go: Email isn't responding---> OH SHIT ITS AN EMAIL ERROR -----> PMing the should do the trick! ------> Even though they have the ability to get online and check TL PMs they probably said hey fuck it who cares about my business that I have a responsibility for, clearly anyone who has problems will message me through TL PMS!!!!

LOL
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
September 01 2010 05:14 GMT
#57
On September 01 2010 13:36 Ack1027 wrote:
Incontrol gave a great response. Someone with a level head like yourself will be able to salvage this idea and make it work for sure.

However, hindsight is 20/20...Why the fuck are people still blaming the OP. Making a thread was PERFECTLY FINE after TEN fucking days. It's logical to believe they wouldn't respond to PMs if they didn't respond to emails.

I mean the people who are saying the OP shouldn't have made a thread like this...Does your logic somehow go: Email isn't responding---> OH SHIT ITS AN EMAIL ERROR -----> PMing the should do the trick! ------> Even though they have the ability to get online and check TL PMs they probably said hey fuck it who cares about my business that I have a responsibility for, clearly anyone who has problems will message me through TL PMS!!!!

LOL

Some people think in these situations it's incompetency rather than most likely a scam... especially when you consider the reputation these guys had.
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Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 05:27:07
September 01 2010 05:26 GMT
#58
OP's frustration is understandable, i don't get people criticizing him for taking it to the community so that people find out. It's just like in r/l when you get a bad service/product you write on specialized forums/magazines to inform others of it. In this case it was all done well especially concerning iNc's good PR who cleared things up and keeps his image untouched .
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
September 01 2010 05:30 GMT
#59
bad customer service /= scam.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 05:42:24
September 01 2010 05:31 GMT
#60
OP was very tame compared to what he could have been imo

foreigner coaches suck? J/K!

(i mean yeah it's pretty dumb to outright call them scammers blah blah...but what do you expect from someone paying for video game lessons)
why so 진지해?
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