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Shady
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria115 Posts
August 31 2010 10:26 GMT
#41
Very nice read!
RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
August 31 2010 10:36 GMT
#42
Dude, you are amazing. I have been doing a crude version of your laundry routine when traveling since I was young, but you have made me realise that I am but an ant to your gosu-ness.
Also, am I weird for finding that sort of life incredibly appealing?
MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 10:45 GMT
#43
On August 31 2010 19:36 RisingTide wrote:
Dude, you are amazing. I have been doing a crude version of your laundry routine when traveling since I was young, but you have made me realise that I am but an ant to your gosu-ness.
Also, am I weird for finding that sort of life incredibly appealing?

Man, just surviving, but I mean I got into it because I thought was going to be incredibly appealing and I have no regrets and it has been great, but just a lot to sacrifice, but the gains are well worth it, no matter how much I complain about my dying liver. But there comes to a point where no matter how much you love it, you love your family and your health more. ^^ I'm not one for a balanced life. But Jack Welch was asked if he thought if his life was so difficult and how did he endure the 'hardship' and he says, 'come on, lets get real, I took my family skiing in Aspen each year ^^'.

Loving da cash and keeping it real. keke.
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 10:51 GMT
#44
On August 31 2010 16:57 zatic wrote:

4. A lot of the scenes in Up In The Air are very close to reality. Airport security for example. I had to laugh out loud when George Clooney goes through security, and how every step he does is routine and efficient to the maximum because everything was so familiar. Also, his tip to get the line behind the Asian business men is so good as well. I always look out for potential security fail people. Don't get in line behind old people, large families, overly styled and dressed women and anyone who looks like they don't fly very often.
Then there are a lot of regional things to look out for. I have been traveling the middle east and Arabia a lot and came into the habit of staying away from Indians as far as possible. I have nothing against Indians but Arabs seem to hate them and they are treated like animals at Airports. Lining up behind a Indian family is asking for a long wait time while security is harassing the poor guys.
Same applies for Arab looking people on US flights.

....
5. Airport security scanner DO set off randomly, on purpose. They are programmed to give a number of random false alarms so the personnel does not get into a habit of letting anyone through who looks legit and stays focused. There is nothing you can do, sometimes the scanner will just go off on you.

....

8. About meeting women. What you are describing MA seems to be an Asian thing. In Europe I'd say go for it if you can. You have few enough chances to meet girls as it is if you are on the road all week.


Damn zatic, i didn't wanna get into the racial profiling (you are absolutely right though), but I'm not going on any public record for calling them out for each country that I know, with the exception of the Americans going into China LOL.

AND I KNEW IT, those bastards just wanna have an excuse to touch me with that WAND!

zatic, you're right is definately an Asian thing, I'd say I could show you around in Asia to meet girls, but honestly, not being bias, Korea is the best for that if you have right guide like Rekrul here, I'll just tag along Kakakaka. *^^*
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 10:52 GMT
#45
On August 31 2010 17:02 Hynda wrote:
I think everyone that travels have their own way of doing the bathtub laundry, it seems an issue that everyone faces. I've travled mainly in Europe and I have just one thing to add, bring your own damn soap! I was in Poland got ready to do the bathtub trick. (it's a bit diffrent from how you do it but I won't go into the boring details) So get my shirt pans and everything in there, and the damn soap disintegrates my shirt, as soon as I pick it up I see holes in the fabric, pick up the pants and socks and they have big blotchy spots on them, so had to toss it all, needless to say it was rather stressful getting a whole new set of clothes and I did some bad things to get them.


um that is such a sik beat...wow Poland.
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 11:00 GMT
#46
On August 31 2010 19:10 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 15:53 MightyAtom wrote:
On August 31 2010 15:17 cestatoi wrote:
Wow what a read
It sounds like you are overworked though. Crazy.

BTW- are you fluent in all the asian languages? If not, how do you get by?


No not fluent in any of them, but since i'm a specialist in negotiations and business strategy, I always have simutaneous interpreters with me or good translators, but in Asia, things are not always so verbal, its a lot of protocool and specifically for business, I would say the average Japanese or Korean in their own country, if they don't do corporate business won't know the business protocol, so just lots of exposure, but I'd say, if your clients are convinced you could make more money for them by they hiring you, then you could just quack and bark and they'd still work with you. ^^

That being said, if you are entry level, you need to be bilingual for certain if you start as entry level here in Asia, but I do speak Korean at a conversational level. But, its the protocol and a lot preparation that help me, at times, I'll ask the translator to translate and note the reaction of the client and if it's not the one that I expected, I know the translated didn't translate properly, and that isn't psychic, its just good preparation.

As you seem well travelled in the Asian world and have experience with translators. I'm going to China in November as a translator, I'll be translating for workers from two diffrent companies, one Chinese the other Nordic. It's my first time translating in China and is there any mannerisms or behaviour that is expected of you? I know how to deal with the Nordic people but I'm not sure how the Chinese like their translators to act.


If the Chinese are your clients, just do your job, but try to get across their actual meaing, but do not over elaborate in speaking too long because they may think you are overstepping your translation license. But try to have a meeting with them on break and make sure you get their trust and understanding of what they want to say, but just follow their approach, but if you think there is a major communication issue, you can volunteer it if they ask for it, otherwise, if you are just translating, don't get invovled. But if you are actually part of one of the companies, well it is a lot more difficult. In terms of deal making, the Chinese are the best because there are very good at making the other side confused to what is important. They may make something look important, but then shift focus after they have 'tested' the waters on some insignificiant issue. As a negotiatior, its fair game to call bullshit on them, let them walk away and then come back. But this is for a business deal, not on working in a partnership, in a partership you need to be very careful never to embarras your partners and for that you need a full local to assist you.

Good luck, keep it simple and straight and always say you love everything Chinese and for good props teach your side to speak some phrases in Mandarin. keke.
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 11:01 GMT
#47
On August 31 2010 16:24 Bobo_XIII wrote:
I am really enjoying your blogs, MightyAtom. You are really churning these things out at a beastly rate


Thanks, this is therapy for me. keke.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 11:03:20
August 31 2010 11:02 GMT
#48
Thanks Mightyatom, great read.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 31 2010 11:24 GMT
#49
No offense, but if you someone needs a guide for travel and laundry, i.e. the 2 most mundane things in life, they are probably not only unfit for business world, but for pretty much everything else.

And for the love of your health, lay off whatever stimulants you're taking, especially if its stronger than coffee.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
August 31 2010 11:48 GMT
#50
On August 31 2010 20:00 MightyAtom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 19:10 Hynda wrote:
On August 31 2010 15:53 MightyAtom wrote:
On August 31 2010 15:17 cestatoi wrote:
Wow what a read
It sounds like you are overworked though. Crazy.

BTW- are you fluent in all the asian languages? If not, how do you get by?


No not fluent in any of them, but since i'm a specialist in negotiations and business strategy, I always have simutaneous interpreters with me or good translators, but in Asia, things are not always so verbal, its a lot of protocool and specifically for business, I would say the average Japanese or Korean in their own country, if they don't do corporate business won't know the business protocol, so just lots of exposure, but I'd say, if your clients are convinced you could make more money for them by they hiring you, then you could just quack and bark and they'd still work with you. ^^

That being said, if you are entry level, you need to be bilingual for certain if you start as entry level here in Asia, but I do speak Korean at a conversational level. But, its the protocol and a lot preparation that help me, at times, I'll ask the translator to translate and note the reaction of the client and if it's not the one that I expected, I know the translated didn't translate properly, and that isn't psychic, its just good preparation.

As you seem well travelled in the Asian world and have experience with translators. I'm going to China in November as a translator, I'll be translating for workers from two diffrent companies, one Chinese the other Nordic. It's my first time translating in China and is there any mannerisms or behaviour that is expected of you? I know how to deal with the Nordic people but I'm not sure how the Chinese like their translators to act.


If the Chinese are your clients, just do your job, but try to get across their actual meaing, but do not over elaborate in speaking too long because they may think you are overstepping your translation license. But try to have a meeting with them on break and make sure you get their trust and understanding of what they want to say, but just follow their approach, but if you think there is a major communication issue, you can volunteer it if they ask for it, otherwise, if you are just translating, don't get invovled. But if you are actually part of one of the companies, well it is a lot more difficult. In terms of deal making, the Chinese are the best because there are very good at making the other side confused to what is important. They may make something look important, but then shift focus after they have 'tested' the waters on some insignificiant issue. As a negotiatior, its fair game to call bullshit on them, let them walk away and then come back. But this is for a business deal, not on working in a partnership, in a partership you need to be very careful never to embarras your partners and for that you need a full local to assist you.

Good luck, keep it simple and straight and always say you love everything Chinese and for good props teach your side to speak some phrases in Mandarin. keke.
Thanks, It's hard when you are in untested waters. Alot of people just asume you can read their mind and know exactlly the way they want it. Some almost invites you into their families some just see you as a faceless tool. I really hope they go for the Interval-translation instead of a flowing one. Flowing translations are hard as hell to do
NEgroidZerg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States244 Posts
August 31 2010 11:53 GMT
#51
this is a good search engine parasite
Yeah
mint_julep
Profile Joined October 2009
United States254 Posts
August 31 2010 13:04 GMT
#52
I cannot imagine having the time to watch in-flight movies etc. I'm either sleeping or working on the plain always (I fly 6hrs twice a week; weekends at home mon-thursday on site wherever).

Here's my contribution: The best sleep aid for people like me who have a hard time sleeping while sitting up or next to a child or whatever else a plane does for you is XANAX. The sleep that you get is actually refreshing and you dont get that 'nyquil-ey' feeling after waking up that you get from crap like unisom etc, or that 'drunk' feeling you get from getting drunk.

And yeah, hotel loyalty programs are the fucking bomb. Never had a 'hotel tooth brush' though lol o.O
I hope Plexa's sig is right.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 31 2010 13:10 GMT
#53
Haha, awesome points made by Atom and Zatic.

I've become gosu at going through airport customs and airport security. It took a lot of failed attempts to get it right though. I once spent 45 minutes being interrogated at the Singapore/Malaysia border, basically 2 people asking the exact questions back to back trying to see if I would give different answers. After asking a thousand questions and going through all my stuff, they let me go and said. "random check".

Seatguru is awesome, I use it more to avoid bad seats, rather than try and get good ones. I always try and get, even if I have to pay extra, exit row aisle seats, unless it's business than it doesn't matter.

That emergency laundry tip is awesome.

I have a question, perhaps more anecdotal than anything, I have had situations where I have gone out drinking way too late and have had to get 2-3 hours sleep if anything, one or two times I have got back to the hotel at 5am forced myself to throw up, drank copious amounts of water and coffee with head ache pills and just sat in the shower. I have yet to miss a meeting or a day of work because of this, but I know one day I will, do you have any advice on what to do when that day comes, how can I finesse my way out of it?




"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 13:45:20
August 31 2010 13:42 GMT
#54
On August 31 2010 20:48 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 20:00 MightyAtom wrote:
On August 31 2010 19:10 Hynda wrote:
On August 31 2010 15:53 MightyAtom wrote:
On August 31 2010 15:17 cestatoi wrote:
Wow what a read
It sounds like you are overworked though. Crazy.

BTW- are you fluent in all the asian languages? If not, how do you get by?


No not fluent in any of them, but since i'm a specialist in negotiations and business strategy, I always have simutaneous interpreters with me or good translators, but in Asia, things are not always so verbal, its a lot of protocool and specifically for business, I would say the average Japanese or Korean in their own country, if they don't do corporate business won't know the business protocol, so just lots of exposure, but I'd say, if your clients are convinced you could make more money for them by they hiring you, then you could just quack and bark and they'd still work with you. ^^

That being said, if you are entry level, you need to be bilingual for certain if you start as entry level here in Asia, but I do speak Korean at a conversational level. But, its the protocol and a lot preparation that help me, at times, I'll ask the translator to translate and note the reaction of the client and if it's not the one that I expected, I know the translated didn't translate properly, and that isn't psychic, its just good preparation.

As you seem well travelled in the Asian world and have experience with translators. I'm going to China in November as a translator, I'll be translating for workers from two diffrent companies, one Chinese the other Nordic. It's my first time translating in China and is there any mannerisms or behaviour that is expected of you? I know how to deal with the Nordic people but I'm not sure how the Chinese like their translators to act.


If the Chinese are your clients, just do your job, but try to get across their actual meaing, but do not over elaborate in speaking too long because they may think you are overstepping your translation license. But try to have a meeting with them on break and make sure you get their trust and understanding of what they want to say, but just follow their approach, but if you think there is a major communication issue, you can volunteer it if they ask for it, otherwise, if you are just translating, don't get invovled. But if you are actually part of one of the companies, well it is a lot more difficult. In terms of deal making, the Chinese are the best because there are very good at making the other side confused to what is important. They may make something look important, but then shift focus after they have 'tested' the waters on some insignificiant issue. As a negotiatior, its fair game to call bullshit on them, let them walk away and then come back. But this is for a business deal, not on working in a partnership, in a partership you need to be very careful never to embarras your partners and for that you need a full local to assist you.

Good luck, keep it simple and straight and always say you love everything Chinese and for good props teach your side to speak some phrases in Mandarin. keke.
Thanks, It's hard when you are in untested waters. Alot of people just asume you can read their mind and know exactlly the way they want it. Some almost invites you into their families some just see you as a faceless tool. I really hope they go for the Interval-translation instead of a flowing one. Flowing translations are hard as hell to do


I'm not a translator or a business men but I've being in situations like this before so my advice is that if you are not a native then say everything very very slowly (not retard slow.), I always cringe hearing white people speak Chinese cause 99% of you butches it.

There are so many god damn dialects so don't expect every one to speak standard mandarin, if you don't understand them, ask them to say it in standard mandarin (but don't just say it, rather you ask your question in standard mandarin, they will get the hint.) If the guy can't speak standard mandarin, he shouldn't be dealing with you but this shouldn't happen that often, most likely you have get people that speak mandarin with a twist, so just get use to it. I will bet that at significant portion of your translation will involve English.


Rillanon.au
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 31 2010 14:29 GMT
#55
In Asia, do not attempt to hit on the female stewardesses unless you're really feeling it.

Instead, simply befriend a male one and get his digits to hang out, then it will be as if you know every single female stewardess.
why so 진지해?
MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 31 2010 14:37 GMT
#56
On August 31 2010 22:10 Energies wrote:
Haha, awesome points made by Atom and Zatic.

I've become gosu at going through airport customs and airport security. It took a lot of failed attempts to get it right though. I once spent 45 minutes being interrogated at the Singapore/Malaysia border, basically 2 people asking the exact questions back to back trying to see if I would give different answers. After asking a thousand questions and going through all my stuff, they let me go and said. "random check".

Seatguru is awesome, I use it more to avoid bad seats, rather than try and get good ones. I always try and get, even if I have to pay extra, exit row aisle seats, unless it's business than it doesn't matter.

That emergency laundry tip is awesome.

I have a question, perhaps more anecdotal than anything, I have had situations where I have gone out drinking way too late and have had to get 2-3 hours sleep if anything, one or two times I have got back to the hotel at 5am forced myself to throw up, drank copious amounts of water and coffee with head ache pills and just sat in the shower. I have yet to miss a meeting or a day of work because of this, but I know one day I will, do you have any advice on what to do when that day comes, how can I finesse my way out of it?


um...sorry I can't help you because I do the samee thing LOL. I don't go back at 5 am, if I'm really messed up, I will excuse myself, go to the hotel, throw up as much as possible and sit in the shower with the water hitting my face and then pass out in a fetal position until the hot water turns cold or until I sober up enough and drink as much water as I can force down with 3 vitamen B complex supplements( or my liver). If you are able to do this on regular basis, you obvious are still in your early/mid twenties.
If your consitutiton is strong enough, it will last unitl you are about 32 max, then everything that you abused your body with will start to affect it.

The only suggestion I have, and its completely serious is...get senior enough to not have to wake up early or have staff that can go first or be influential enough to push a meeting to the afternoon if you know you are going to have a bender the night before. Honestly from 33 now, that is how I deal with it, because my body can't handle that any more.

There is 1 Korean remedy and that is, drink a serving of peptobiz (you know that stuff that covers your stomach for heart burn) before you go drinking. It not the anti-acid, it is the stomach coater, what it will do, is drastically reduce the in take of the alchol aborbstion from you stomach, akin to eating a lot, BUT I've never done it and I have no idea what digestive side effects there could be afterwards. So that preventative, but again, to fitness your way out of it...eventually, when you just can't do that any more, you have to slow down or....get married and stay married ^^

haha, cheers!
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FaZe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada472 Posts
August 31 2010 14:47 GMT
#57
Bookmarked.

Awesome, awesome blog.
"Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none."
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
August 31 2010 14:52 GMT
#58
Thanks for the awesome read!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33627 Posts
August 31 2010 15:32 GMT
#59
Ahhh so you retired, I was wondering what inspired you/gave you the time to write these blog posts :O
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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 31 2010 19:01 GMT
#60
I'm definitely keeping this in mind if I ever become a businessman :D
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