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6 game losing streak. My biggest streak ever, in both beta and retail.
3 protoss
2 random into protoss
1 random into terran
From rank 6 diamond to rank 23, I lost like 80 points. I only broke my losing streak vs a protoss who didn't use warpgates (and he actually beat me the game before with cannon cheese)
It made me realize that almost everything about zerg makes me rage.
I don't like the creep system. it's actually kind of cool in theory, but in practice it means your units are fucking shit off creep. With the exception of lings, which are still pretty quick, your units are sluggish and awful. Why am I forced to have units that are like they are stuck in goddamn molasses. It's great when things are going your way, but it's basically a kick in the dick in any other scenario. Have you ever tried to move hydralisks off creep? They practically move backwards they are so goddamn slow. Good luck getting them out of storm. Why the fuck?
I don't like that I have no variety at all in my openings. All my 1 base plays are visible to everyone. I may as well be wearing a sign, "incoming cheese" If I don't FE, there is no alternative, everyone knows your roach or your baneling all in is coming and the second they beat it its game over. It's not even as powerful as a 4 gate. It's so much worse than a 4 gate. Our 1 base is garbage. There's almost no point in 1 base lair, there's just no variety.
Our tier 3 is okay, only it actually comes in the tier 3 time span while everyone else can pump it out in 5 minutes flat if they wanted. Where's my mid game unit that forces you to adapt to what I'm doing for a change? My collosus or tank/thor equivalent? I don't know like something that lurks beneath the ground
There's pretty much one play you can make: muta switch. Of course they have magic planes that flip around and shoot while flying backwards and upside down. Or 9 range vikings which admittedly arent that good against muta they just have 9 range so I had to mention them, they don't really need vikings anyway when theres
the fucking god of thunder in robot form
I don't like queens. Well no, that's not true. I like queens. It's just that my macro mechanic are actual units, that take damage and die, that set me back and make it so I can't even produce units when phoenixes come in doing barrel rolls and lift it off to rape it. They are units that I need to use to actively defend my base with because for some reason someone at Blizzard thought hey no tier 1 AA would be like, totally unique and not just fucking awful to deal with. And my macro mechanic, in addition to being a unit I have to actively use, is also a thousand times less forgiving, and a thousand times more important than either terran or protoss. Not to mention the more bases I have the harder it gets, while the more bases you have the less important and demanding yours gets
Chrono boost is so easy people don't even use it. Top players just chill out with full energy on their nexuses in any game that lasts more than 15 minutes, sometimes they'll use a bit on upgrades but basically it goes unused for I'd say 40-50% of the game.
Imagine for a second if terrans had to drop mules and cast spells and shit with it instead of just press e and click minerals. Their brains would explode. That's what we have to do, fortunately anyone who plays zerg has an enormous brain so we can manage to use our queens without threat of immediate brain death. Oh and we have to run around laying creep, which without it our units are reduced to geriatric movement speeds
I know why only 20% of people play zerg.
 
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I feel ya...lack of anti air...difficult macro mechanic...
oober slow hydras....
bring some overlords next time! =O
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Ouch. 6 loss streaks never feel good.
If you look at my "most common race played" statistic, it'll tell you zerg. But although it's my most common, it's not what I play over 50% of the time. And it's not because I absolutely love collossi or because siege tanks are so awesome. It's just because playing such a one-dimensional race becomes stale after a few games.
Many terran misunderstand me. I don't have zerg tears because "OMG siege tanks are so imba!!" These are zerg tears of boredom. I don't want a buff to zerg. I just want some variety.
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Because obviously the solution is to get mass drop while fast teching to T3, spreading creep constantly, not missing a spawn larva, constant scouting (if you don't sac an overlord or the overlord doesn't take the exact right path, then you just suck), mass expanding... oh, and not making a single wrong decision on what units to get or when to pump drones or units.
It's so easy! After all, you can run around the other guy's army. That is, if moving their army two steps to either side didn't cover the entire map.
(I feel your pain, as a Zerg player I think that Zerg is just unforgiving of mistakes in general)
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There were overlords in sc1. They are the same in sc2. Don't just make enough overlords to get by. If you don't like it, then don't play it. You can't play zerg like how you play terran or protoss.
Here's it straight up to you buddy:
If you're not good with zerg, then you're going to suck. Period. But if you can learn the ins and outs of your race and play it like how you should be playing it, you will smash people into oblivion. Zerg has more mobility than terran and protoss put together, so start using it.
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Hah I just went on a huge losing streak too. I like the fact that only 20% of people play zerg because Zerg is the most skilled race to play (hardest to grasp), and many top tier players play Zerg. It just shows that only pros play Zerg.
(jk  )
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Overlords are not the same in SC2. In BW, overlords could detect, and you didn't need to use them to spread creep because the hydra speed upgrade still existed.
And isn't this the typical answer for all frustrated zerg: Use zerg mobility. Ironically, it seems to be the only answer. We have mobility. Hurray. How strategically diverse. As strong as mobility is, it doesn't make options much more diverse.
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Our "mobility" is non existent on this current map pool where a fucking Thor can amble from his base to yours in like 5 seconds -_-
Need bigger maps >_>
And I feel your pain, I went like 2-10 last night, dropped 100 points and like 40 ranks lol.
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As a terran, I have to say, I feel bad for the zerg =[. May you one day be buffed. Maybe in HotS?
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I feel you floor exercise. It sucks to lose to people who have a ridiculously easier time than us. We're forced to manage creep, manage more bases, manage constant scouting, ect. Terran just needs to ask himself, "Can my tanks abuse this part of the map? Do I have Marines or Thors to shoot Mutalisks?" Protoss isn't as easy, but a lot just 4 Warpgate All-in, so they need to ask themselves: "Did I remember to put a proxy pylon to completely nullify the defender's advantage on this game?"
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Yea, I played zerg at first too just because I played them in bw. They just aren't fun to me, everything I liked about zerg in bw (the huge econ's and sweet control with muta's and lings and lurkers) is all gone and whats left isn't even good or easy. All the challenge, none of the enjoyment; I don't know how other people do it.
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Idea: give hydralisks a goddamn speed upgrade. They move as fast as constipated slugs off creep, its fucking retarded. Isn't the premise of "The Swarm" basically quick, cost effective, cheap units? That was the beauty of BW Zerg, your speed and ability to flank / surround / counterattack.
On August 09 2010 09:03 Jugan wrote:
There were overlords in sc1. They are the same in sc2. Don't just make enough overlords to get by. If you don't like it, then don't play it. You can't play zerg like how you play terran or protoss.
Here's it straight up to you buddy:
If you're not good with zerg, then you're going to suck. Period. But if you can learn the ins and outs of your race and play it like how you should be playing it, you will smash people into oblivion. Zerg has more mobility than terran and protoss put together, so start using it.
The thing is off creep Zerg units are slow as fuck. Theres not that much more (if any) mobility than a protoss or terran now
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I haven't played any Starcraft 2, but it sounds like Zerg needs a Lim Yo Hwan. SOMEONE STEP UP QUICK.
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Current maps are terrible for zerg, there's pretty much no way they can flank a ball properly.
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hey guys just lost a game on bnet gonna come on the forums and blame the races and not my own play
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I would agree with the "heads explode" part, but many of the current SC2 Terran players were Terran players in SC1. Try playing SK Terran...
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This post made me cry... I agree with it 100%
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I love all Zerg players. I've been Terran since day 1 of beta.
Just got lucky I guess.
I rolled a few games against the Very Hard computer and holy fuck.
Zerg makes no sense whatsoever. How you guys win ladder games with them, keep your minerals spent- know what units to make- scout...
I have no Idea. I win the games, don't get me wrong... but I have 2k minerals and real trouble remembering Inject, creep spreading and tech/upgrades.
Anyone who plays Zerg is a fucking genius. Hats off.
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Dude I so feel you. I love playing zerg because I think it's a lot of fun. But playing against people of my level is just so much harder cuz of my race 
Where's the Maestro? Who will be the savior of zerg??
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I applaud you for playing zerg and not cheesing. Whenever i seem to play against zergs they always 6 pool. Don't worry, Zerg's time will come and then you can drink all of the tears of the Terrains and Zerg, and you can say, I was zerg, before all the noobs switched over to it.
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On August 09 2010 11:14 Morayfire73 wrote:
I applaud you for playing zerg and not cheesing. Whenever i seem to play against zergs they always 6 pool. Don't worry, Zerg's time will come and then you can drink all of the tears of the Terrains and Zerg, and you can say, I was zerg, before all the noobs switched over to it.
Or it will never happen and the guy will quit SC2 forever
(just trying to draw out all the possibilities)
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On August 09 2010 10:48 Surrealz wrote:
hey guys just lost a game on bnet gonna come on the forums and blame the races and not my own play
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I play random and I agree with nearly everything in the article.
Zerg is incredibly management oriented, unless you play like dimaga.
Zerg has to hit all the timings spot on for when to make drones and when to make units. I think its kind of unfair zerg has to play two base and terran can wall in. Theres no real way of scouting until zerg get lair tech, and by then terran can come out with marines, or mech, or marauders, or vikings, or cloak banshee and just gg win.
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The part that i love the best is when you set up a VERY nice surround on the protoss and then BAMMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFForcefield EZMODE rapes your surround and half a control group of roach and zergling are stuck in a seizure flopping about under magical prisms while getting raped by ridiculous splash from war of the worlds LAZER beams.
GG
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Fucking agree with everything here.
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Don't worry man, its nothing compared to this, i was going great, my win / loss was 40-10. 12 games later it was 40-22, i finally broke my losing streak by baneling busting plexa.
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No scouting no AA nerfed to death roaches..
and our mobility? Where's our reaper / stalker / colossus that can ignore cliffs?
Granted I suck, but I hate sucking even more in SC2. Just waiting to see if I am going to get demolished with banshees, tanks, thors, marauders or whatever else terrans can make with one base every game
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Once the ladder falls apart due to hacking and so on, all the usual stuff that kills them, you'll start playing good custom maps and I bet most of these problems will be solved.
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On August 09 2010 11:57 SilentCrono wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:48 Surrealz wrote:
hey guys just lost a game on bnet gonna come on the forums and blame the races and not my own play
At least its in blogs. Talking about this is within the rules for blogs so it's cool.
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I lol'd, surprised so many losses to P though; I thought ZvT was the main issue. Also surprised you encountered so many random users, I barely ever get matched with a random player.
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Zerg is the new Terran, I think about switching to Zerg (playing random now) for the pure frustration that comes with it .
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On August 09 2010 16:00 h3r1n6 wrote:Zerg is the new Terran, I think about switching to Zerg (playing random now) for the pure frustration that comes with it .
Zerg is the new...Zerg.
TvZ in SCII is just like TvZ in Broodwar but exaggerated >_>
But it's OK I <3 my Zergs, OUR DAY WILL COME!
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I also went on a 6ish game losing streak in pvp.
I have since decided that pvp is broken and started doing the 4 gateway 5 proxy pylon zealot warp in build, and have been 7/7 since. :|
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Just got raped by mass reaper on steppes. Like 3 rax reaper, I don't even know how you'd beat it other than 1 base roach. I went baneling cause its steppes so it was like instant loss, most notable loss today. But even if you beat it with roach, they still have 3 rax with tech labs so its a matter of time til marauder
4-11 so far today, below 500 pts now. A shit ton of protoss
Every game I play I'm dealing with a different opening, rarely do I see it coming ahead of time. Epecially terrans.. Mass banshee, blue fire, void ray, 4 gate, reaper, marine marauder, mech, hidden collosus etc. Almost every game i'm trying to hold on until ultra, just defending whatever horrible shit is coming my way.
I know I'm a big crybaby, but I just don't understand, from a design perspective, how fucked and limited Zerg is compared to the other races. It feels like half a race.
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Damn.. I'm actually considering switching to zerg because it seemed to have a lot of tactics that fit my style. I dont feel qualified to say if anyone is imba/weak etc, but from my (limited) perspective, zerg seemed like it had a harsher learning curve.
Still gonna try it out though. I love what zerg have to offer in theory. Hope it turns out to be funner than you're making it sound
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On August 10 2010 01:47 ironchef wrote:Damn.. I'm actually considering switching to zerg because it seemed to have a lot of tactics that fit my style. I dont feel qualified to say if anyone is imba/weak etc, but from my (limited) perspective, zerg seemed like it had a harsher learning curve. Still gonna try it out though. I love what zerg have to offer in theory. Hope it turns out to be funner than you're making it sound
The advantage to zerg is that you have an excuse every time you lose. You can explain away pretty much every loss whereas with protoss, you can really only explain losing to terran. And in the 10-15% of games that you lose as Terran, there can be no explanation, it's a tough pill to swallow
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I play zerg because watching my supply go from 200 to 100, then back to 200 in the span of a minute is fun. "You killed my army? Have another"
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Plain and simple, I'd have to agree and I think Zerg is a bit weak for the average to good player. (sure it rocks at IdrA skill level, but how many people are at IdrA skill level?) Anyway, I switched to Terran and even though I'm not even a Terran player and I don't fully understand the builds, my win ratio has gone through the roof. If I can vastly improve my win ratio just by choosing another race, I'm feeling more and more convinced that Zerg is underpowered at the moment for the average player.
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so, floor exercise, that crying kid is you, right?
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I totally agree.
I also know how to make the game balanced:
Add dark swarm.
Seriously, that is all.
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