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ZvT Imbalance: How to make a successful thread.

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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 01:26:25
August 06 2010 01:22 GMT
#1
Hallo everybody! (Hi Dr. Nini!)
I'm here to talk to you today about making threads. Not just any kind of thread, an imbalance thread. Some people think you need weeks or even months of SC2 experience to make a good thread! But folks, I'm here to prove them wrong. Just follow these easy steps and you'll be A-OK!

Step 1: The Title.
As you know by now, ZvT imbalance is a hot topic so be sure to include that in your title (see: title). Don't forget to include a qualifier though so if someone calls your ideas stupid or nonsensical you can respond with "they're just a suggestions!" "well it's my opinion!"

Example:
TvZ imbalance: My Take.

TvZ imbalance: Take 2 (with more effort)

TvZ imbalance: It really is imbalanced IMO. TvZ that is.


Step 2: The Introduction.
The introduction is very important to set the tone for the rest of the post, that's why you should be sure to include your league, rank, and ELO. It's good to include your ELO so people know how many points you have and can make large assumptions about your skill based on the lack of information provided about games played or win ratio. Be sure to list your league and rank as well because something has to fill in the white-space where your replays should be. Also mention you switched to Terran and played 5 TvZs against your similarly ranked friend and won easily.

Example:
Hi! I'm Nini McNeenerton from South Neensville. I'm a 700 ELO rank 8 diamond player from Automaton Butterfly division. ZvT is imbalanced, trust me! I even played like 20 TvZs and won all of them. WOWOWOW!

Step 3: The Imbalance.
This section is the most important. It requires a certain amount of elegance to pull off but I know you can do it! You want to list what you think is causing the ZvT imbalance and make well-known generalizations about them. Be sure to not get to specific though or else you may end up having to argue to point with substantial evidence!

Example:
Reasons why ZvT is imbalanced.
1. Terrans have a lot of openings that are hard to scout.
  • 1 Rax
  • 2 rax
  • Thor Drop
  • Cloaked Banshee
  • Fast Hellion
  • So much more omfg!

Notice that I've done nothing but list Terran openings! Let's continue!

Example:
2. Terran units counter everything Zerg has!
  • Hellions > Zerglings
  • Tanks > Hydralisks
  • Thors > Mutalisks
  • Marauders > Roaches

What overwhelming evidence?! Simply list all the hard counters in the matchup that are favorable to Terran while ignoring Zerg counters to Terran units. Who's going to argue that hard counters don't exist?! Upward and onward!

Example:
3. My nerf suggestions!
  • Lower the range of Vikings
  • Take away Thor splash but give it +2 additional damage to light
  • Increase Reaper cost
  • Make MULEs SCVs that can't autorally and get rid of MULE calldown
  • Decrease Hive cost and build time
  • Increase Ultralisk HP to 900

The most important thing in this section is to maintain no sense of consistency whatsoever. You want to barrage the reader with so many nonsensical nerfs that anyone with half a brain will give up and not respond. Be sure to also include slight buffs with some of your nerfs even though the buffs make no real attempt to balance the terrible nerf at all. Be sure to include nerfs starting from early game units to late game tech buildings that way people know you've at least made it to late game!

Step 4: Conclusion.
In the conclusion, be sure to make an appeal to rationality. Make sure your reader knows that you are being completely objective and that you have considered everything possible even though you have not considered how your changes will affect other matchups. Also, be sure to include a snide remark towards the end about the current atrocity known as ZvT and, if you feel like it, send a quip Blizzard's way.

Example:
I think these changes will balance TvZ, proven by the fact that ladder statistics prove that Terran see a 5% increase in the Top 100. I think if Blizzard would be kind enough to balance their game maybe every Gold league Terran won't be in Diamond with 80% winrates XD.

So guys, I just want you to learn as much as possible and for Terrans to admit that they are actually terrible and only winning because the matchup is hugely imbalanced in their favor. I think it's up to us to initiate change because it's not like Blizzard would do it themselves. XD

***
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 06 2010 01:29 GMT
#2
Are you really a doctor?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 06 2010 01:31 GMT
#3
On August 06 2010 10:29 Entropic wrote:
Are you really a doctor?

indubitably
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 06 2010 01:31 GMT
#4
Of course he's a doctor. See that scary red plexor next to his name?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 01:36:00
August 06 2010 01:31 GMT
#5
Terran is imbalanced (My proposition).

Credentials
- I win games with strong FD and BRFS (at D level)

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that can lift buildings.
- Terran

2. Races that can't lift buildings
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Allow Nexuses to warp around the map and recall probes.
- Allow Hatcheries, Lairs, and Hives to fly around and have a carry capacity of four ultras.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 06 2010 01:32 GMT
#6
Anyways this is a cool thread, I think I'm now well equipped to make a fulfilling and substantiative thread in the strategy forum, thanks doc!
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
August 06 2010 01:35 GMT
#7
i have evidence that mahnini is not a phd
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 06 2010 01:40 GMT
#8
Reasons why mahnini would have a PHD:
  • PHDs are for doctorates
  • You don't have to be a medical doctor to be a PHD
  • Smart people have PHDs
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
August 06 2010 01:43 GMT
#9
On August 06 2010 10:40 mahnini wrote:
Reasons why mahnini would have a PHD:
  • PHDs are for doctorates
  • You don't have to be a medical doctor to be a PHD
  • Smart people have PHDs

Zooey doesn't have a PHD. Are you calling her dumb? How dare you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

On August 06 2010 10:31 koreasilver wrote:
Terran is imbalanced (My proposition).

Credentials
- I win games with strong FD and BRFS (at D level)

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that can lift buildings.
- Terran

2. Races that can't lift buildings
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Allow Nexuses to warp around the map and recall probes.
- Allow Hatcheries, Lairs, and Hives to fly around and have a carry capacity of four ultras.

Completely airtight logic with no holes tbh.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
August 06 2010 01:49 GMT
#10
Needs [G] tag.
My strategy is to fork people.
CuteSmallHydra
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada119 Posts
August 06 2010 01:52 GMT
#11
Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion: switch the size of Thors and SCV's.
aka fOr)Darko
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 02:01:16
August 06 2010 02:00 GMT
#12
edit: I tried to pull a baller chart but failed miserably
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 02:06:12
August 06 2010 02:04 GMT
#13
On August 06 2010 10:52 CuteSmallHydra wrote:
Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion: switch the size of Thors and SCV's.

GIANT SCVs?!?!?

On topic: don't ignore TvP
I am a Pro league 1200 ELO Protoss player and I still get owned by the simplest of Terran builds. IMBALANCE? I think so!

1. Terran has marauders
Terran has tanks
Terran has banshees
2. Marauders>stalkers
Tanks>stalkers
Banshees>stalkers
3. It is obviously imbalances since Protoss cannot win with just stalkers
4. Buff stalkers. Give them marauder slow shells, marauder bonus vs armor, tank splash Nd banshee cloak
:D I'm a pro now!
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
August 06 2010 02:06 GMT
#14
I support your view. Zerg was nerfed so many times and terran was buffed so many times, omg, this must mean that blizzard has no idea what they are doing and T is imba! We NEED 1 supply roaches back because we are all sick of making other units!
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 06 2010 02:17 GMT
#15
On August 06 2010 10:40 mahnini wrote:
Reasons why mahnini would have a PHD:
  • PHDs are for doctorates
  • You don't have to be a medical doctor to be a PHD
  • Smart people have PHDs


I am a PHD....wut


And 2 supply roaches is still pretty annoying. I've been in too many games that get me to go MutaLing
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
August 06 2010 02:23 GMT
#16
Terran is imbalanced (My proposition).

Credentials
- I win games with the same 2port banshee build (at bronze level)

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have cliff-jumpers early game.
- Terran

2. Races that don't have cliff-jumpers early-game
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Give zealots and zerglings spring shoes so that they can jump cliffs.
- Make the reaper's jumping ability have to be researched in techlab

(this is supposed to be a joke sorta...right? o_o)
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 06 2010 02:26 GMT
#17
Yeah man I hear ya. Zerg needs Lurkers back. And Defilers. Can't do shit without them two.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
August 06 2010 03:09 GMT
#18
Any thoughts on a next project for me?

I like starting trends

Kinda like the sound of "PvZ 2 gate pressure nerf".
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
August 06 2010 03:29 GMT
#19
On August 06 2010 11:23 blahman3344 wrote:
Terran is imbalanced (My proposition).

Credentials
- I win games with the same 2port banshee build (at bronze level)

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have cliff-jumpers early game.
- Terran

2. Races that don't have cliff-jumpers early-game
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Give zealots and zerglings spring shoes so that they can jump cliffs.
- Make the reaper's jumping ability have to be researched in techlab



This is gonna become a meme now.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
August 06 2010 03:32 GMT
#20
I thought this was BW and then I was sad when it wasn't because I have no idea if tvz is imbalanced in SC2 but I would love to rage about how hard ZvT is in BW because fucking irradiate fucking tanks fucking mines bullshit bullshit rararrrg *rips off shirt*
brood war for life, brood war forever
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