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Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
August 06 2010 03:33 GMT
#21
I have a feeling some people are going to take this seriously.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 06 2010 03:41 GMT
#22
The number of terrans whining on the zergs whining about obvious imbalance is starting to outnumber us whining zergs imo :p i gotta whine about that too.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
August 06 2010 03:51 GMT
#23
I dunno, the late-game mech transition after the bio opening is pretty deadly. I think zergs really need to be more aggressive in tech switching themselves, and need to get better at matching terran gayness with roach macro. Also, lurkers. Should be added.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 06 2010 03:54 GMT
#24
On August 06 2010 12:32 Crunchums wrote:
I thought this was BW and then I was sad when it wasn't because I have no idea if tvz is imbalanced in SC2 but I would love to rage about how hard ZvT is in BW because fucking irradiate fucking tanks fucking mines bullshit bullshit rararrrg *rips off shirt*


LOL word man
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 06 2010 04:00 GMT
#25
I think after two weeks of being out it's obvious that SC2 is already perfectly balanced so we should try and shut down and ridicule anyone who tries to identify any supposed imbalances.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 06 2010 04:01 GMT
#26
On August 06 2010 12:51 tree.hugger wrote:
I dunno, the late-game mech transition after the bio opening is pretty deadly. I think zergs really need to be more aggressive in tech switching themselves, and need to get better at matching terran gayness with roach macro. Also, lurkers. Should be added.


Most of the "imba talk" in sc2 TvZ is with mech, I don't think lurkers will really help with mech.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
August 06 2010 04:09 GMT
#27
Terran is imbalanced (My proposition).

Credentials

- I'm rank 1 diamond zerg and won every TvZ in my placement matches.

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have tanks
- Terran

2. Races that don't have tanks
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Make mutas able to turn into brood lords for free.
- Make brood lords able to attack air except they spit scourges.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 06 2010 04:23 GMT
#28
Terran is imbalanced (My take).

Credentials

- I'm rank 1 Diamond Zerg Division Wallabie Kangaroo

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have slow
- Terran (marauders)

2. Races that don't have slow
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Make zealots get charge for free
- Let zerg have movespeed equal to their on-creep movespeed (ie. lightspeed)
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
August 06 2010 04:25 GMT
#29
On August 06 2010 13:23 Entropic wrote:
Terran is imbalanced (My take).

Credentials

- I'm rank 1 Diamond Zerg Division Wallabie Kangaroo

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have slow
- Terran (marauders)

2. Races that don't have slow
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Make zealots get charge for free
- Let zerg have movespeed equal to their on-creep movespeed (ie. lightspeed)

This man is lying he is not from Australia.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 04:41:21
August 06 2010 04:41 GMT
#30
On August 06 2010 13:25 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 13:23 Entropic wrote:
Terran is imbalanced (My take).

Credentials

- I'm rank 1 Diamond Zerg Division Wallabie Kangaroo

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have slow
- Terran (marauders)

2. Races that don't have slow
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Make zealots get charge for free
- Let zerg have movespeed equal to their on-creep movespeed (ie. lightspeed)

This man is lying he is not from Australia.


Sorry man, I've just been on LZ's stream a lot lately and Incontrol just keeps pounding on the Azz the aussie (hilarious btw, as many would attest).
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 04:51:58
August 06 2010 04:49 GMT
#31
On August 06 2010 12:51 tree.hugger wrote:
I dunno, the late-game mech transition after the bio opening is pretty deadly. I think zergs really need to be more aggressive in tech switching themselves, and need to get better at matching terran gayness with roach macro. Also, lurkers. Should be added.


It's so cute when terrans talk like this.

Go try it out, we'll wait.


The first annoying thing was playing Zerg and having to play vs Terran.
Then the annoying thing became the Terran players who refused to admit there was an issue. That was the most annoying thing.
Then the most annoying thing were the flux of zerg players all claiming they know why the matchup is imbalanced or that the matchup is unwinnable by zerg.
Now I'd have to say the most annoying thing is the glut of terran/protoss players who not only think it's zerg players making stuff up, but also ridicule away at their attempts to explain the complex balance issue that is ZvT.
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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 04:59:44
August 06 2010 04:57 GMT
#32
I lol'd. Awesome post, funnier responses. Please make that koreasilver imba format a meme.

On August 06 2010 12:32 Crunchums wrote:
I thought this was BW and then I was sad when it wasn't because I have no idea if tvz is imbalanced in SC2 but I would love to rage about how hard ZvT is in BW because fucking irradiate fucking tanks fucking mines bullshit bullshit rararrrg *rips off shirt*


this was the funniest comment i've read all week. especially after the MSL Ro8 comments. omg I'm still laughing
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
August 06 2010 06:14 GMT
#33
Terran is imbalanced (My take).

Credentials

- I'm best Zerg in world, imo.

Why Terran is imbalanced
1. Races that have a free scouting tool that's impossible to stop (scans!!!)
- Terran

2. Races that don't have free scouting tool that's impossible to stop
- Protoss
- Zerg

Therefore, Terran is imbalanced.

My suggestion
- Make overlords free.
- Make Scans cost 400 minerals each. And make it an upgrade for Orbital for 100/100.
- Reduce Marine range by 1.
- Make observers cost 10/15.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
August 06 2010 06:46 GMT
#34
On August 06 2010 13:00 tomatriedes wrote:
I think after two weeks of being out it's obvious that SC2 is already perfectly balanced so we should try and shut down and ridicule anyone who tries to identify any supposed imbalances.


Thank you. The number of threads by Terran players ridiculing Zerg player for having legitimate complaints is mind boggling.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
August 06 2010 07:41 GMT
#35
On August 06 2010 10:31 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 10:29 Entropic wrote:
Are you really a doctor?

indubitably


Technically, "indubitably" shouldn't be used in standard English. Being a doctor, I expect your English to be nigh untouchable

+ Show Spoiler [UNLESS] +
you're Sherlock Holmes
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 08:39:30
August 06 2010 08:38 GMT
#36
On August 06 2010 15:46 Lexpar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 13:00 tomatriedes wrote:
I think after two weeks of being out it's obvious that SC2 is already perfectly balanced so we should try and shut down and ridicule anyone who tries to identify any supposed imbalances.


Thank you. The number of threads by Terran players ridiculing Zerg player for having legitimate complaints is mind boggling.


Because it's real fun to play against exploding zerglings that 2-shot your entire army. right?
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 06 2010 08:45 GMT
#37
On August 06 2010 16:41 Z3kk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 10:31 mahnini wrote:
On August 06 2010 10:29 Entropic wrote:
Are you really a doctor?

indubitably


Technically, "indubitably" shouldn't be used in standard English. Being a doctor, I expect your English to be nigh untouchable

+ Show Spoiler [UNLESS] +
you're Sherlock Holmes


You don't need perfect english to get the phd (specially in hard sciences, math, economics, CS).
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 09:21:54
August 06 2010 09:21 GMT
#38
Terran is imbalanced (Fact).

Credentials
- I am unranked because Blizzard put me in my own league just because they were afraid of me getting n00bs to QQ/RQ and increase suicide rates in America

Why Terran/Protoss is imbalanced
Terran
  • Marauders w/ stim... I mean c'mon, self explanatory
  • Tanks... with or without siege mode do an unmeasurable amount damage, like wayyyyy over 9000
  • Thors - Like tanks, cept bigger and a bit manlier


Protoss
  • Warpgates - warp in units almost instantly anywhere you build a structure that only costs 100 and gives supply
  • Voidrays - Imbabeamz that become more imba after they CHARGIN THEIR LAZERZS
  • Force fields - Like the Invisible Woman or a bunch of Jedi Knights


Races that are underpowered
Zerg
[list]
[*]No need for explanation. Just take my word for it. Everything I saw is always true, so you don't have to worry. Just sit back, relax, and rage at Blizzard until they buff Zerg.

Therefore, Terran/Protoss is imbalanced.

My suggestions
- Hack all the Terran/Protoss player's accounts and sell them to 12 year old n00bs, this will increase Zerg winrate by buttloads
- Just get rid of Terran/Protoss permanently. I mean... why have them around. I don't like them, so no one should play them. End of story.

Thanks for reading.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 06 2010 11:25 GMT
#39
I thought this was rage from the Warning bw spoilers: + Show Spoiler +
sea vs jaedong match
...but yeah there are lots of dumb posts in the sc2 area that have this tone..
in The Kong line forever
Happy.fairytail
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States327 Posts
August 06 2010 14:47 GMT
#40
On August 06 2010 15:46 Lexpar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 13:00 tomatriedes wrote:
I think after two weeks of being out it's obvious that SC2 is already perfectly balanced so we should try and shut down and ridicule anyone who tries to identify any supposed imbalances.


Thank you. The number of threads by Terran players ridiculing Zerg player for having legitimate complaints is mind boggling.


The problem I have with all these kinds of threads is that they're all just whining. If you wanted to get better, you'd post replays and ask for feedback -- not rage about how the game is stacked against you. Simple as that. Do you want to whine, or do you want to get better?

I really wonder why mods don't automatically close any thread that talks about imba when they don't include replays.
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