EPT5/5 stars, would read again..
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incase you didn't pick up on that, that was sarcasm..
Edit: wait! woaah! You are diamond in 1v1 AND 2v2?.. i'm calling shenanigans...lol
[Sc2] Confessions of a Terran player - Page 2
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
5/5 stars, would read again.. + Show Spoiler + Edit: wait! woaah! You are diamond in 1v1 AND 2v2?.. i'm calling shenanigans...lol | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
 .I played about 500 games of protoss in phase 1. In phase 2 I switched to terran and in the 50-70 games of terran I racked up I felt I was winning a lot more, against much better players and with far less effort than I ever did with protoss. I don't think I'll be playing SC2 very seriously anymore as frankly it's not very good compared to BW, but if I am going to play I think it's safe to say it will be with terran. Every single unit the terran has feels monstrously powerful with little need for control. With protoss my army always feels weak unless it's the perfect combination of all the units and support units I have at my disposal. Protoss armies feel inflexible, they are less mobile than an MMM ball, and have a hard time covering ground, whereas with the current maps mech covers almost everything with little effort. With protoss I'm also much more dependant on getting my positioning (being caught out of position is death, whereas an M&M blob is always naturally in position unless there are banelings) and target firing right as protoss as I don't get such outrageous ranged dps from every unit I have. Terran "harass" is also a million times stronger than anything protoss can do, it feels like a joke calling it "harass" when I load up 2 medivacs of m&m, stim, kill an expansion nexus/tech buildings and fly away joining the bulk of my army without losing as much as a marauder. If I'm meching I can send 4-5 hellions with their ridiculous speed past any dedicated defense, fry the entire worker line and with luck even manage to get 1 or 2 out without losing them. Having one banshee chilling in the empty space on the outskirts of a map, poking in to kill stuff (my personal favourite are the gas miners, especially in mined out mains) whenever I feel like is fun too, since there's absolutely 0 chance of losing the damn thing ever unless the opponent goes out of their way to get an air unit. Compare this to warp prism antics, where stalkers can get away with blink but also have no dps and kill nothing, zealots which cost as much as hellions but get shut down before they can kill a significant amount of workers, ht drops that are expensive and kill maybe half of a workerline if you're lucky and the opponent doesn't react. AND you don't need a dedicated force to shut these things down, either. The one thing I've had any trouble with as terran, that felt required me to put in effort to deal with, are high templar. But my guess is that that's only because I'm a little lazy in my ghost use, which will basically shut that whole thing down with their superior range, instant damage EMP. | ||
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Pinstripes
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Ps diamond isn't high level, and on the us server most diamond people are pretty horrible like me | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
A real confession of a terran player (read: not a zerg player) would be the fact that my least favorite ground unit to go against is tanks. They're still immobile and they already killed everything in bw but they're a pain to beat (also a pain to have if you are spreading a bit to thin). | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On July 31 2010 00:35 Skyze wrote: lol just live with it and enjoy the easy wins terran provides. I was zerg for the first half of beta then protoss for the last half, and now Im just giving up and playing terran fulltime.. and its soo easy, but im ok with it. People always bitch about races, in BW it was protoss being the "easy race", even though they were NOWHERE close to as easy as terran is in SC2.. so whatever, After the past 2 years of playing protoss on BW, I realize that people are always going to bash one race for being "less skilled".. but it all comes down to who wins the game. and if I am beating top diamond players with attack-moving terran, then they need to find another way to stop it or blizzard needs to nerf it. End of story. exact opposite expirience. im random and P is imho the BY FAR easiest to play. evryfight is aclick + maybe forcefield/storm spam. just go 3gate robo or 4gate evry game vs all races, aclick after 8 minutes into enemy base -> win 2 out of 3 games. if you feel fancy do a proxy void rush once in a while . and seriously the P army is by faaar the easiest to control. evrytime i aclick roll over a maxed Z /t bio army with mass colloxen i giggle abit because it looks plain stupid :> Terran and zerg both require better macro mechanics and way better unit control in most situations and esp when playing against P. | ||
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DanielD
United States192 Posts
On July 31 2010 01:25 Tazza wrote: Yes! Thats why im playing zerg too. Its where the real skill is. I have 110 apm, and its still hard to beat a terran with 80 apm. This means nothing. First of all it's only a 30 APM difference which is pretty much nothing since you're probably spamming, secondly meching terran doesn't NEED as much APM until late-late-late game. Your problem is you spam and/or your actions aren't the right ones. OP: Just because you do better with Terran doesn't mean it's better. It's OK to think that in your head, but don't pretend like you know what you're talking about. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On July 30 2010 22:02 Nyovne wrote: Funny how it's the other two races that win practically every single event. not true at all, terrans have won the 2 big gom individual tournaments and there have been relatively few major events. as for the weekly prize tournaments, zotac, esl, craftcup, gosucoaching, terrans have been doing just fine. and really, if you look at the players playing terran compared to the players playing zerg and protoss at the top level terran shouldnt even be doing nearly as well as they are. if tester or cool had chosen terran, or upmagic had started at the beginning of beta, they wouldve won every single big event since the 2 supply roach patch. | ||
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exeexe
Denmark937 Posts
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On July 31 2010 00:33 .AbrHAm wrote: But... Why don't you play terran and go pro? too easy? The crux of the issue lol | ||
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DanielD
United States192 Posts
On July 31 2010 01:35 IdrA wrote: not true at all, terrans have won the 2 big gom individual tournaments and there have been relatively few major events. as for the weekly prize tournaments, zotac, esl, craftcup, gosucoaching, terrans have been doing just fine. and really, if you look at the players playing terran compared to the players playing zerg and protoss at the top level terran shouldnt even be doing nearly as well as they are. if tester or cool had chosen terran, or upmagic had started at the beginning of beta, they wouldve won every single big event since the 2 supply roach patch. You keep saying this same stuff like the more you post it the more weight the statement carries... Tester didn't have a 50% win-rate in Pro BW, neither did Cool (and he barely got play-time even) so stop using them as examples as if because they aren't dominating with their chosen races it means their races aren't as good as T. I realize the foreigners still aren't near even sub-par Progamer levels, but these are once-retired sub-par progamers -- not to mention that SC2 simply doesn't have the APM requirement for macro, so creativity, playing dynamically, and micro wins games a lot more than APM does, and the biggest advantage Koreans have over foreigners is hours and hours and hours of training, which you could debate about whether or not this assists in thinking on your feet (beyond ofc being able to predict your opponent, but this is SC 2 and they haven't been able to practice that much). When Jaedong gets tossed around by Masq ZvT in SC2 then that's another story. EDIT: PS gj on CNN | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On July 31 2010 01:58 IdrA wrote: cool and tester are the only serious sc2 players who were sc1 proleaguers within the last few years, theyre also the best of their races by quite a bit. its not a coincidence, a very big chunk of the skillset transfers cleanly. I think you guys are forgetting Maka who was very dominant. As for as "imbalances" go I think the game is "fine".. Banelings are just crazy, infestors also don't get enough "recognition" Collosus / templar are also crazy | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On July 31 2010 01:40 DanielD wrote: You keep saying this same stuff like the more you post it the more weight the statement carries... Tester didn't have a 50% win-rate in Pro BW, neither did Cool (and he barely got play-time even) so stop using them as examples as if because they aren't dominating with their chosen races it means their races aren't as good as T. I realize the foreigners still aren't near even sub-par Progamer levels, but these are once-retired sub-par progamers -- not to mention that SC2 simply doesn't have the APM requirement for macro, so creativity, playing dynamically, and micro wins games a lot more than APM does, and the biggest advantage Koreans have over foreigners is hours and hours and hours of training, which you could debate about whether or not this assists in thinking on your feet (beyond ofc being able to predict your opponent, but this is SC 2 and they haven't been able to practice that much). When Jaedong gets tossed around by Masq ZvT in SC2 then that's another story. EDIT: PS gj on CNN It takes an amazing amount of skill, intuition, and understanding to even get close to pro level. Even if you arent A-team, your still absolutely amazing at the game. They have the "requirement for macro, so creativity, playing dynamically, and micro" that you speak of but they also have the insane apm to back it up as well. Also why the hell do you compare how they did in bw to sc2 in this? That statement is completely irrelevant. Tester and Cool are without a doubt, dominating their respected races in sc2 atm. | ||
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blabber
United States4449 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
Protoss/Zerg/Random: Man terran seems really strong compared to the other races Terran: NUH UH! if the other two races are forgettin to bitch about each other and team up on yours, then thats a clear sign that somethings wrong at SOME level example, protoss at low ranks in BW. | ||
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DanielD
United States192 Posts
On July 31 2010 03:18 R0YAL wrote: It takes an amazing amount of skill, intuition, and understanding to even get close to pro level. Even if you arent A-team, your still absolutely amazing at the game. They have the "requirement for macro, so creativity, playing dynamically, and micro" that you speak of but they also have the insane apm to back it up as well. Also why the hell do you compare how they did in bw to sc2 in this? That statement is completely irrelevant. Tester and Cool are without a doubt, dominating their respected races in sc2 atm. Err... it's not irrelevant to talk about their BW skill when Idra is talking about how they were sc 1 professionals and therefore are better than the other SC2 players by a large margin, because of this fact. I haven't seen many games with Cool, but Tester, while being pretty good, is clearly not playing at the level of a decent Progamer. The games I've watched with him he has played relatively solid but hasn't shown himself to be worlds better than his opponents in the semis or the finals. We still haven't seen TvP or TvZ played at the highest levels, all of this "if so and so played T they'd do even BETTER" is pure speculation until it actually happens. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 31 2010 04:51 TheAntZ wrote: At this point its really just Protoss/Zerg/Random: Man terran seems really strong compared to the other races Terran: NUH UH! if the other two races are forgettin to bitch about each other and team up on yours, then thats a clear sign that somethings wrong at SOME level example, protoss at low ranks in BW. This is very true. Plus, even some Terrans agree that Terran is OP. Just ask LuckyFool, lol | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On July 31 2010 04:51 TheAntZ wrote: At this point its really just Protoss/Zerg/Random: Man terran seems really strong compared to the other races Terran: NUH UH! if the other two races are forgettin to bitch about each other and team up on yours, then thats a clear sign that somethings wrong at SOME level example, protoss at low ranks in BW. I can understand the very top players not being objective but below that it's quite sad people can't admit the obvious advantage Terran has for absolutely no reason other than their delusions or fear of a slightly lower winrate. That being said I love playing Terran, played Protoss the entire beta, went 30-12 solo which is pretty bad, used an alt account and went 25-5 trying out Terran for the first time. It's pretty awesome to do any strategy I feel like and still win games through macro/micro. If you take your expansion 30 seconds too early as P, sorry game over go back up your ramp and make more gates plz. You do one extra macro cycles of drones as Z, sorry game over. | ||
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