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So i was in the ustream channels watching reps and stuff and came across a channel where people were chatting about sc2. Now some newer people were asking for advice and people were giving all the wrong advice.
"marauders are amazing vs zealots early game there really is no point in making zealots against a T early game"
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except for the fact that marauders do 10 damage to zealots and with forcefield get absolutely fucking wrecked. They then proceeded to tell me that I can't just compare unit statistics and that you can stim marauders through forcefields.
Just wtf guys...I understand everyone may not be as addicted to the game as I am, but to say something as stupid as that just makes me want to punch a hole in the wall. I wish there was some sort of way we could like just delete these people from the internet because they are gonna be all the reasons why sc2 is gonna fucking suck big balls.
 
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are you not used to the internet yet? everyone spreads misinformation everywhere
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Hmm...
To those people, they are giving them good, quality advice
You can correct them and show them why, but other than that as long as they think they are correct, they will keep giving other people "good advice"
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thats why you come to TL! where the sc elitists come and where people who post stupid/wrong advice get deleted ^^
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United States5657 Posts
relax its not like everyone's going to suck at the game
and marauders ARE amazing versus zealots early game, you just added the sentries into your side of the argument. but 3 marauders vs 3 zealots would be an easy marauder win even for someone in gold.
before you think you're king of beta you should analyze your own view of things
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How many people were watching? It just sucks that people are going to think things like that. But in really early games situations I see so many naive terrans who kite and target the zealot. Much better is kiting and targeting the stalker, it goes down in far less hits.
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Nah, what's going to ruin SC2 is that you, and people like you, think that someone shouldn't be allowed to talk about something if someone else thinks they are wrong.
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Hahaha you let that bother you?
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United States5657 Posts
On July 25 2010 01:59 Chronopolis wrote:
How many people were watching? It just sucks that people are going to think things like that. But in really early games situations I see so many naive terrans who kite and target the zealot. Much better is kiting and targeting the stalker, it goes down in far less hits.
someone else adding another unit to the original argument
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On July 25 2010 02:05 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 01:59 Chronopolis wrote:
How many people were watching? It just sucks that people are going to think things like that. But in really early games situations I see so many naive terrans who kite and target the zealot. Much better is kiting and targeting the stalker, it goes down in far less hits. someone else adding another unit to the original argument
Well, when do you have pure zealots or pure in early-game pvt?
"there really is no point in making zealots against a T early game"
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Let the wrong advice spread imo, more noobs to rape on bnet is never a bad thing, it provides for some hilarious BM and a good self-confidence boost 
See the thing is, bad players are going to be bad even if you tell them "immortals kill roaches", and good players already don't need the advice, because it's so basic, it's innate for them to know it.
"The answers you seek lie within!" Improvement will always come from the individual's willingness to learn, not from outside advice.
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United States5657 Posts
On July 25 2010 02:07 Chronopolis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:05 mOnion wrote:On July 25 2010 01:59 Chronopolis wrote:
How many people were watching? It just sucks that people are going to think things like that. But in really early games situations I see so many naive terrans who kite and target the zealot. Much better is kiting and targeting the stalker, it goes down in far less hits. someone else adding another unit to the original argument Well, when do you have pure zealots or pure in early-game pvt? "there really is no point in making zealots against a T early game"
exactly you would never have pure zealots early game for the exact reason THAT marauders are good against them
im just pointing out this fallacy that I see TIME and TIME again in the sc2 forum
"banshees are good against zealots"
"no they're not cuz stalker support rapes banshees"
"...but I just said zealots"
over and over
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isnt he kind of right? making zealots early game against terran does kinda render useless
and also adding to monions point, pure marauder rips pure zealot anyday.
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How are they going to ruin the game? I was unaware that people talking about a game would somehow cause everyone to listen to this wrong advice and suddenly suck at the game.
Besides, that's not exactly terrible advice. Marauders with their concussive shells upgrade should be able to take out zealots fairly easily in the early game. Obviously there is a point to early zealots versus Terran, especially with sentries, but marauders can definitely do well against just zealots, and isn't that what that guy was talking about?
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"marauders are amazing vs zealots early game there really is no point in making zealots against a T early game"
According to OP, thats what the people where saying. Since we are talking about the game itself and what to make, it is vital to consider other units. This isn't a discussion of mauraders v zealots early game, its a claim about what can be made in the early game; which means you need to consider what can else can be used. If forcefield enables zealots to be effective against maruaders early game, that certainly weakens the claim of the person the OP was arguing with.
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United States5657 Posts
On July 25 2010 02:13 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +"marauders are amazing vs zealots early game there really is no point in making zealots against a T early game" According to OP, thats what the people where saying. Since we are talking about the game itself and what to make, it is vital to consider other units. This isn't a discussion of mauraders v zealots early game, its a claim about what can be made in the early game; which means you need to consider what can else can be used. If forcefield enables zealots to be effective against maruaders early game, that certainly weakens the claim of the person the OP was arguing with.
no.
if the statement was
"you should only make pure marauders early game because they are great against zealots"
then obviously it would be a false conclusion and it would be vital to consider other units.
but this IS a discussion of mara vs lot early game. you're reading it wrong.
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It was bad advice, zealot /sentry is pretty staple vs marauders. Let the silly advice spread, it makes laddering easier :/
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Strat forum for BW is like that too....low level D players thinking they can give good advice cause they watch progamer reps and think that makes them knowledgeable. Thing with starcraft is that the game is deceptively simple until you actually try to play it.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I think we're going to be a bit more liberal with the sc2strat forum ban upon release
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Some advice I learned watching BW that might find application in SC2:
If you find yourself watching Starcraft and you start hearing words, then realize that those words aren't coming from the game but from a commentator, and then your notice that those words are comprehensible to you because they are in English, you must ask yourself a few simple questions: 1) Does this English commentator have any fucking clue or is he just trying to snap up some efame? 2) Why am I listening to this? 3) Isn't there a stream in Russian or Chinese or something less gruesome I can watch? 4) What albums have I downloaded recently?
The phrase "English commentator" has long been wrought with negative connotations. Stick only to watching the finest or turn off the nerd on the other end.
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