EPTAnd what do you mean by bad behavior? Like being unproductive? Most unproductive activities are banned by the state. Sure you can free-ride on public goods or be a rent-seeker but I guess thats not exactly what you have in mind
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disciple
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And what do you mean by bad behavior? Like being unproductive? Most unproductive activities are banned by the state. Sure you can free-ride on public goods or be a rent-seeker but I guess thats not exactly what you have in mind | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On July 04 2010 06:30 darmousseh wrote: Ugh, too much analysis, not enough voting lol. Just use whatever definition of ethics you believe is the best. Then your analysis is initially flawed and based on a point of view that is presented for the sake of increasing your post count or provoking discussion on a subject that is either outdated, time consuming on a basis that does not warrant further proof or discussion than going to your parents for a sound debate and face either confirmation or rejection. You good sir is an Troll trying to sound smart, rather than presenting something genuinely interesting you have rehashed a subject from the general thread as a blog post just for the sake of post count. How horrendously wrong of me to think that you actually had something meaning full to argument or present. <You have avoided defining anything and made 4 obsolete polls, writing only a few words to remain as vague as possible while still increasing your post count. Tits or gtfo.> | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
But the average individual is too stupid to make decisions. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
OP, I suggest you ignore the coming e-discussion and just think of their posts as bumps to get more votes. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On July 04 2010 07:35 Romantic wrote: Shit, the Internet Pseudo-Intellectual Brigade is on high alert today. It must be the weekend. Heaven forbid this man want to run a lil' experiment. OP, I suggest you ignore the coming e-discussion and just think of their posts as bumps to get more votes. As an economy student I felt quite provoked by the OP. I dont know anything about the background of his theory, but I think its absolutely alright to have thoughts about this exact topic, no matter how involved you are with it | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 04 2010 07:35 Romantic wrote: Shit, the Internet Pseudo-Intellectual Brigade is on high alert today. It must be the weekend. Heaven forbid this man want to run a lil' experiment. OP, I suggest you ignore the coming e-discussion and just think of their posts as bumps to get more votes. I never knew flawed dichotomies were above logical scrutiny. | ||
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Zanric
United States66 Posts
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
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semantics
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people are born "bad" becuase we are all bad we want things we desire our happiness nothing that is not clearly defined and many people do different things to obtain that happiness. Personally i'm the belief that i am the one with the problem when other people annoy me not the other people. So i should come to terms with them being annoying and change or get over it becuase i despise the idea of forcing others to your will. As we live in an society we must know we are a part of it and effect it's outcome but again to that extent you must acknowledge that you are an individual. As an individual you have the most control over yourself, so in your happiness seeking mind you should take care of yourself first in context to observing your actions will effect the society. That's my thoughts ionno if it's clear. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:24 Motiva wrote: I answered definitely individualism. The other two are unanswerable in their current form. I believe neither to be true. Though I'm not convinced that the two choices presented in the first one are mutually exclusive either. Furthermore I'm not a fan of the uses of "definitely" or "mostly" rofl I agree. I am a very strong individualist and I do not believe we are naturally "good" or "evil" The same person could be considered either depending on your frame of reference. We are born logical and self-serving. With this comes a certain empathy towards others ingrained in us due to our necessary cohabitation and cooperation with others, but our own needs will almost always superceed those of others and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. | ||
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OMin
United States545 Posts
so i will answer them here i believe that to a certain extent, the individual is inclined to be a certain way by genetics but his/her life experiences/influences/inspirations and a million other factors can influence whether he or she is "good" or "bad". on that note, i believe nobody is wholly "good" or "bad" - everyone is somewhere in the gray area between. however, i have to note that im referencing a lot of these things from my self experience, and i feel i would land on the good half of the spectrum... so this may not apply well to people currently oriented on the other side of the line. i believe an individual needs to be left to discover things for himself/herself to truly understand things for themselves, and that being forced by a collective society into certain behaviors keeps them in ignorance about the benefit of the action they have been forced into. such an example would be religion, or laws. Being raised as a catholic, i have a skewed perception of "good" and "bad" according to the church values i grew up with. now i am questioning all of these values in order to see if they really are valid and worth following or not. the same goes for laws - laws are kind of a necessity in society in order to make it possible for many people to live together without constant conflict and dissoncance, but at the same time, laws are not absolute (kind of an obvious statement, but i know some people who blindly follow all laws). the individual must process the validity of these laws according to his/her conscience to see whether they are logical/worth following. so i believe in individualism, and that individualism leaves the "good" and "bad" disposition pretty open ended upon what life choices the person makes hope this was helpful to what u were looking for | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On July 04 2010 06:56 Mothxal wrote: This. It probably wouldn't have helped prove/disprove whatever hypothesis you're trying to figure out, but I found it a bit odd that you offered very little middle ground on that question =/I'm in favour of both collectivism and individualism as defined by you. For what it's worth though, I voted collectivism and born "good" (as in, people are influenced more by their environment than any innate desire to do good or bad). | ||
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