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Cute Girl + Starcraft?
I wish such creature existed.
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baller's words just seem to make this entire situation a whole lot clearer
thanks baller
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On July 04 2010 10:45 FragKrag wrote:
baller's words just seem to make this entire situation a whole lot clearer
thanks baller
I second this. Who knew baller was actually baller with words?
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well done baller. bringing insight and clarity to the forums one step at a time.
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On July 04 2010 10:40 baller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. i will make an analogy that may help u understand better lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception. now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
omg lol
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On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
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On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a permaban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douchebag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douchebags for the sake of being douchebags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Please read baller's wonderful explanation of the situation at hand. I feel like you will understand.
Also, I've taken the liberty of making your post a little more readable. Enjoy!~
(In all seriousness, Xero was told explicitly by Chill that if his story was fake and he kept going on like it was real he would receive a permanent ban.)
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On July 04 2010 11:07 Issorlol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a permaban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douchebag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douchebags for the sake of being douchebags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement. Please read baller's wonderful explanation of the situation at hand. I feel like you will understand. Also, I've taken the liberty of making your post a little more readable. Enjoy!~ (In all seriousness, Xero was told explicitly by Chill that if his story was fake and he kept going on like it was real he would receive a permanent ban.) i'm arguing that his punishment is too harsh not that he doesn't deserve a punishment /facepalm
P.S ty for the spacing ^.^
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On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations)
There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here.
The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
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ROFL nuked!
i guess i could've seen this coming, story sounds too perfect and i doubt anyone would brag about such things on TL like almost daily. well now that its over i have to say its been a short and fun ride, now enjoy your stay in disneyland lol.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 04 2010 11:10 Koltz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement. Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations) There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here. The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity.
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On July 04 2010 11:25 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:10 Koltz wrote:On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement. Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations) There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here. The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that. pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity.
yeah thanks, im smart enough to analyze what happened
not gonna get into it with you if thats what you want though
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Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 04 2010 11:27 Koltz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:25 OneOther wrote:On July 04 2010 11:10 Koltz wrote:On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement. Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations) There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here. The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that. pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity. yeah thanks, im smart enough to analyze what happened not gonna get into it with you if thats what you want though
uh, no need to get all defensive for no reason. im glad you are smart enough though.
i don't want anything from you and i wasn't even addressing you specifically. you didn't even have a real point other than that you feel bad for him but nothing can be changed. so there's not much to talk about there. i was just voicing my opinion on his ban.
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On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote:
Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for. it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
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On July 04 2010 11:49 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote:
Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for. it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
Well until you run TL....you have to sit too.
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Calgary25998 Posts
On July 04 2010 11:04 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 10:28 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote:On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote:
so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
You are actually arguing that we should allow douchebags that we know are douchebags because why? They have a right to post here? Fuck that. This isn't a courthouse.
He had a chance to argue the stance when we were talking via PM, and he accepted the consequences I laid out, so your argument falls flat.
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On July 04 2010 11:49 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote:
Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for. it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
He knew beforehand that he would get banned for posting this fake story. Chill explicitly told xero that he'd ban him if the story was a lie and to just come clean at that moment if it was. The fact is he kept feeding everyone his bullshit even after he knew the consequences. That's hardly an "honest" mistake, and if he got shot in the face for it, he pulled the trigger.
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I am pretty confused here by the people defending Xero, I mean do you actually want to waste your time reading a post(several) only to find out he is just leading people on to be a dick? Not that it really matters cause if they want to ban him for being a douche there isn't a thing you can do to stop them and that is what is great about TL.net. No bullshit attitude, you don't waste your time with a bunch of retarded posts, rules are great but common sense rules all. He should have used it long ago when he started posting this garbage.
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