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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified. Seems fair to me... Especially considering he didn't come back to admit it or give TL an explanation after he was caught. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:36 FragKrag wrote: wow he got to go to disneyland? i guess not knowing what this means means you're a good poster.  | ||
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Silan
Denmark198 Posts
Many good stories exist in the blurryness between fiction and reality, among other things because that makes a story believable. I couldnt help thinking of Day9s jacking-off-in-airplane story, which he claims to be true, but no one will probably really know, which again just makes it that much more exciting. Iirc OP didnt ask for advice or made any setup for debate, which obviously would be a no go in story telling, and if he hadn't been caught, it wouldnt really have hurt anyone, as others are saying. Oh well, just my 2 cents here at 2.30 am, guess this thread cant really be more derailed . | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:44 jalstar wrote: i guess not knowing what this means means you're a good poster.  One day, one dreadful day, I was sent to disneyland... | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:34 Chill wrote: While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action. Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM. he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. | ||
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Radical
United States481 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote: + Show Spoiler + he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. Have you even read the rules? | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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Radical
United States481 Posts
From the 10 Commandments: "1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply IP ban you. If we're really pissed off, then we IP ban you AND nuke every single post you've uploaded to the site - ever. It will be as if you had never existed here. This is our house. You've been warned." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Oracle
Canada411 Posts
Poll: Bigger upset? Minji Incident (21) Progaming Scandal (6) 27 total votes Your vote: Bigger upset? sadly im more upset by this + Show Spoiler + wasnt hit too hard by the scandal actually | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote: he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends. There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community. My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore. Create a new account and keep posting here? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On July 04 2010 10:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does. There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On July 04 2010 10:32 Megalisk wrote: There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:. There are ways, but is it really worth the effort? look at chibi, tdot, or the like. They all get caught sooner or later, you make a slip up, post from an IP that links to your original account, etc.... they never stick around long. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On July 04 2010 10:32 Megalisk wrote: There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:. If Chill's good, proxies or even posting in a new location won't be enough. | ||
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baller
527 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:59 Malgrif wrote: he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd. i will make an analogy that may help u understand better lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception. now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome. | ||
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