On June 26 2010 03:33 Lightswarm wrote: there probably are aliens. but they are most likely to be organisms such as bacterium/small clumps of multicellular creatures/fish-like stuff
How can you say that when there is around 500 billion (to count) galaxies in the universe. To even disregard that there is no form of life that is more then just on a cellular level is just denying pure logic.
In our Solar system there is 8 planets, due to Pluto being regarded as an inactive Dwarf, we have over 85 solar systems in our galaxy so do the math. Somewhere there must be some life that is on some level - intelligent but I do disregard everything that has to do with "They have spacecraft, etc"
I believe that multiple Solar systems has a planet close to a Star/active dwarf or some planet like the Sun, where life exists beyond cellular and bacterial level. If not at least a livable planet.
"over 85 star systems" in our galaxy is... one of the worst understatements i've ever seen :p
I don't know why, but I read this as "do you believe in Asians" LOL. And well, I believe in their existence, but not necessarily that they're extremely high tech or anything. :p
considering the fact of how vast the known universe is, by the logic of probability the idea of an intelligent alien lifeform existing somewhere in the vast region of space is not really that improbable at all...
now if the question was about if alien and human being have made contact, ie: Alien abducting human beings and anal probing us, or us made contact with them through telecommunications methods... well none of us really knows except of the selected fews of the developed countries, government officials/scientist etc...
now if your wondering if UFO's are real or not, the answer is yes, flying saucers are real. but whether they are piloted/designed by extraterrestrial life form or human beings remains at question...
I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
For me there's no doubt that there are some other intelligent (well don't have to be intelligent I guess) lifeforms out there. If they visited us respectively still do.. I don't think so. Travelling for possibly millions of light years and not trying to interact with us?
We'll probably never know. There's billions upon billions of star systems, or whatever, it's been a while since I took Astronomy. One of them could contain planets that supports life. But the UFO stuff is straight up bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
I'm talking specifically about intelligent ETs and them visiting us. If you wanna get into probability on that go ahead.
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
I'm talking specifically about intelligent ETs and them visiting us. If you wanna get into probability on that go ahead.
I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Yes it's 2 hours long, watch at your own risk.
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
We should invent Mass Effect technology.
The thing is, maybe it IS impossible. People say they "wouldn't be surprised" if aliens happened to have visited earth or have a probe around our star. I would be. It's true that science is progressing ridiculously fast and who knows what we'll be able to do in 100 years, let alone 1000 - but maybe some things are just impossible.
What if there's just no way to come close to the speed of light? (Saying you can go *AT* the speed of light at all is absurd)
What if bending time and space is just a concept? I'm certainly not feasible - certainly I can't wrap my mind around that concept in terms of actually getting it done but yeah...
It's possible that physics just doesn't all for that type of travel.
So yeah I would be really surprised if I heard that some living things from another planet managed to get here. I would personally be extremely curious about how they did it.
Perhaps they exist. Perhaps they don't. Maybe they put us on Earth as a science project. Hell, maybe in the future we invent time machines but they are just undetectable and our great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren are watching us on a TV screen type out this discussion. The hell if I know.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
You assume it deserves attention.
No. It deserves attention, you probably have not watched it, many reputable people came forward with their testimonies. It was really good.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
You assume it deserves attention.
No. It deserves attention, you probably have not watched it, many reputable people came forward with their testimonies. It was really good.
I've taken the time to watch part of it. Much of it is anecdotal, many of those people don't express themselves properly.
The "project" is obviously another one of those conspiracy theories. Also they assume that UFOs are piloted by aliens.
Also I would like you to name "reputable" people in this video. Most of them are nobodies, and even if they managed to get one or two reputable people in there, it's obvious that it's not a serious institution at all.
As pointed out on another website, the witnesses are almost all old white guys in their retirement pointing at known sources of disinformation.
Here, found a link again. This guy, unlike people in that wacky video, gives you researchable claims. When I say you're gullible, it's for a reason. You are gullible. If scientists were like you, we wouldn't get very far. The fact is, you watch youtube videos - that's what you do. You don't bother to make research.
If you even look into the "project" website, you'll see it's just another whackjob BS website which doesn't look into things. It's one of those "alien" cults. Pull yourself together man, this video is a joke.
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up. Or at the very least, pretty darn delusional.
People who give credit to that video are no different from those who watch "9/11 truthers" videos and instantaneously accept them as true and reputable.
The guy in the video pretends to be a PhD but as it turns out it comes from an unaccredited school from the back end of Brasil. People will still believe him just because of what he pretends to be. It's a very good reason to get slow people to believe you because they know you won't double check if you already believe them. Then they sell you trinkets: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.disclosureproject.org/shopping.shtml
It's easy to watch Youtube videos and take everything for granted. That's what people do when they WANT to believe something.
Even if Stephen Hawking himself told me he saw a UFO, I would be skeptical - nobody's immune to delusion, optical illusions, insane beliefs or even going batshit crazy. Fortunately for us, science and physics, Hawking goes against that movement.
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