Just curious, I've been into the paranormal/sci-fi thing ever since I was young and I personally think Aliens exist and have been to Earth and actively visit us. This is just my opinion, flame me if you wish. I just want to see how many fellow TL'ers believe in this sort of thing, abductions, close encounters etc.
I've spent quite a few hours on the internet over the years looking into this kind of thing, and there really is a plethora of 'evidence' if you know how/where to look.
Have any of you ever seen a UFO? Something else? Something you couldn't explain?
Here is a story from when I was roughly 8~10 and I think sparked my interest in this subject.
So basically my family and I were camping, roasting things over a fire, it was my family and I (mother, step father, sister, aunt and uncle and 2 cousins). It was about 11PM at night and as we were all sitting by the fire chatting, eating etc, one of my cousins notices something bright in the sky and tells the adults, they tell her to be quiet and it's just a star, so we just go about our thing with no one really paying attention. I'd say about 15 minutes later one of the adults looks up and sees the same thing (it was a triangle with bright yellow/white lights) and says something along the lines of "holy shit is that thing coming down?". We all look up and my cousin says "See thats what I was talking about before, do you believe me now?". And sure enough this triangle thing is slowly descending directly over us, I can't really estimate how high up it was at this point, but over the next few minutes it came down to just over the treetops and it was big. My parents were at a loss, so were my aunt and uncle, they were thoroughly freaked out at this point, as this thing was just there... hovering, motionless, with it's bright lights. So as we sat and watched it for a few minutes, it suddenly makes this weird noise, I cannot describe it at all, it was just very unpleseant, seemed to penetrate your head. At this point my parents started to pack our shit up as did my aunt and uncle, they didn't know what the fuck was happening and I was scared. So we pack our shit and leave the camping ground as this this was just staying there emitting this weird fucking sound. So we packed up and left and to this day my parents refuse to talk about it, no one has really mentioned it aside from me once and they told me to drop it, so it's kind of a taboo subject to talk about, kinda weird right?
Anyway, just wanted to share that with you guys, sorry if it's not very well written, but ya'll get the point I'm sure.
EDIT: I forgot to embed this youtube video, which is probably one of the best amateur videos I've ever seen of a UFO:
It's easy for me to believe that there's extra-terrestrial life. C'mon, what are the odds that this is the only life-supporting planet in the entire freakin' universe?
Believing ETs visit us regularly, especially in the UFOs shown in grainy photographs and unfocused videos, is another matter.
I had a dream the night before last that I was in a classroom, and I was sitting at my desk, making out with a cat. A kitten actually. I thought that was odd.
I think the odds of extraterrestrials is likely. Haven't seen any proof or even evidence firsthand, though.
I have had weird experiences though. Once saw/heard a dark shadowy figure scuffle by me in the middle of the night when I went to the bathroom, never understood what that was about. I definitely wasn't asleep when it happened.
The Universe is ridiculously huge. For every person on earth, there are more than ten galaxies - each of them with millions of stars systems. There are so many planets that it SEEMS incredibly improbable that there isn't life anywhere else.
Thus, I strongly believe that there are "aliens" in that there is *probably* life elsewhere in the universe. Potentially even a lot of it. And if there is life, it may evolve like life on this planet, and if it evolves then it can get and become complex.
As for you, I think you're a bit gullible. While I don't entirely dismiss the possibility for "UFOs", but honestly, grainy/shaky videos of "UFOs" happen all the time - most of them happen to be natural, some of them are just video tricks, and a great many are elaborate hoaxes. I would encourage you to think critically about those matters - keep in mind that many people are either deceitful (there's a lot of money to be made because that thing is a business) and some people are just like you; very attached to the possibility.
When you want something to be true to confirm your beliefs, sometimes you'll easily accept bad "evidence" as truth because it suits you. So again, think critically.
However look at physics; realize that there are many constraints to space travel and if we could do it well we wouldn't go to other planets to jerk around. Also traveling from a galaxy to another is pretty much going to be impossible unless we're (REALLY) missing something.
I definitely think they're is life out there (universe is pretty big ) but I'm not so sure I agree with you about them coming and visiting us (plus stealing people) often. I wouldn't be surprised if they have been here before but I have my doubts that they come anywhere close to as often as people claim they do.
Also, be careful with adding an option called "You're retarded" or similar in your poll. Some people will vote that even if they agree with you just to be badass (it doesn't work like that but w/e ).
Edit: lol @ the guy above me. Effort is quite the alien indeed.
there probably is alien life. the number of possible places for it to exist is simply too huge for one of us to be opposing that idea at this point, or in other words we dont know enough at all about the relation between life and the universe other than the number of galaxies and stars out there, so what else are we supposed to believe?
i dont buy your story though. theres no way something as curious as humans would see something like that and just pack their shit and leave, instead of watching. you were a group of people. no sane person believes aliens and alien abductions are real and theres no solid evidence for any of those "outlandish" stories. so theres nothing to be afraid of, right? encounters dont exist. might as well stay there and make sense of the situation. sounds more like you had/have a wild imagination or are nutjob.
I believe that there is alien life. All it depends on is the star, the planet's distance from the star and the composition of said planet (cannot be a gas planet).
I haven't had a first hand experience, but I too believe that aliens exist. Have they visited Earth? It's entirely possible, and I believe at some point they have. It's a shame that all the videos of "sightings" are such pathetic examples of anything remotely possible of alien crafts. We still have ancient civilizations, such as the Mayans which may - I repeat, MAY - have evidence of alien contact.
I feel that thinking we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe as incredibly conceited. The biggest problem I see is how aliens in other galaxies (or even in the Milky Way) would find Earth. But I guess if aliens are technologically advanced enough to travel among the stars, they have methods we've never heard of.
On June 26 2010 03:48 travis wrote: I had a dream the night before last that I was in a classroom, and I was sitting at my desk, making out with a cat. A kitten actually. I thought that was odd.
wikipedia - "Since we cannot observe space beyond the limitations of light (or any electromagnetic radiation), it is uncertain whether the size of the Universe is finite or infinite."
it could be possible that earth is the only planet with ANY forms of life in the entire universe + Show Spoiler +
As for you, I think you're a bit gullible. While I don't entirely dismiss the possibility for "UFOs", but honestly, grainy/shaky videos of "UFOs" happen all the time - most of them happen to be natural, some of them are just video tricks, and a great many are elaborate hoaxes. I would encourage you to think critically about those matters - keep in mind that many people are either deceitful (there's a lot of money to be made because that thing is a business) and some people are just like you; very attached to the possibility..
I'm very critical of what I entertain to be possible evidence, and the video I posted I feel is a good example of an unknown. I'm not gullible at all, I take everything with a grain of salt, I've just spent time looking into UFO's and as someone else pointed out Ancient Astronaut Theory, I appreciate your response though.
I'm kind of wishing I didn't add the "you're retarded" option to the poll rofl.
Aliens man. Such a fun topic to discuss! I'm sort of border line on it though but one thing I find really cool is ancient rock art and hieroglyphics of aliens. Thoughts about these anyone? Sometimes I think some stuff just can't be explained. yet..
As for you, I think you're a bit gullible. While I don't entirely dismiss the possibility for "UFOs", but honestly, grainy/shaky videos of "UFOs" happen all the time - most of them happen to be natural, some of them are just video tricks, and a great many are elaborate hoaxes. I would encourage you to think critically about those matters - keep in mind that many people are either deceitful (there's a lot of money to be made because that thing is a business) and some people are just like you; very attached to the possibility..
I'm very critical of what I entertain to be possible evidence, and the video I posted I feel is a good example of an unknown. I'm not gullible at all, I take everything with a grain of salt, I've just spent time looking into UFO's and as someone else pointed out Ancient Astronaut Theory, I appreciate your response though.
I'm kind of wishing I didn't add the "you're retarded" option to the poll rofl.
Have you guys actually looked into Ancient Astronaut Theory? First off, it's not a theory - it's speculation. Also look at how many cults/sects and "religions" make use of it.
Second, it's really ridiculous. You guys look up what Carl Sagan (AN ACTUAL SCIENTIST) had to say about it. You can call it interesting - to me it's just as interesting as any crazy phenomenon or legend people believe in.
Point me towards decent sources if you feel like. I'll read, but all of this is 100% speculative, and trust me I've looked into it. Admittedly, I haven't done research to "prove" to myself that UFOs visit earth unlike many people, but I've looked into it and found out that we don't have *ANYTHING* that constitutes evidence for this.
On June 26 2010 05:12 cSc wrote: Aliens man. Such a fun topic to discuss! I'm sort of border line on it though but one thing I find really cool is ancient rock art and hieroglyphics of aliens. Thoughts about these anyone? Sometimes I think some stuff just can't be explained. yet..
Hieroglyphs of aliens? So you assume to know what aliens look like?
I can feel thunderstorms coming and electrical devices turning on and off from distance.... Still even I´m not crazy enough to believe in UFO´s even though they do exist ofc.
Yes, because aliens with the advanced technology to travel the light years to reach us are just going to try to spook us with anal probing and crop circles.
From our current technology, and from what we've been able to observe from the environments around us, I doubt there is any intelligent life living anywhere near us. If there IS some sort of super advanced alien race, they'd never reach us anyways, because the distance they would have to travel would be enormous, taking forever.
Do I believe we are the only life forms in the entire galaxy? No. I am pretty sure there are other planets that can sustain life. If are planet was a accident in the making, I am sure that same accident can we reproduced somewhere far far far far away (or in a different dimension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
On June 26 2010 05:33 HobbitGotGame wrote: Yes, because aliens with the advanced technology to travel the light years to reach us are just going to try to spook us with anal probing and crop circles.
From our current technology, and from what we've been able to observe from the environments around us, I doubt there is any intelligent life living anywhere near us. If there IS some sort of super advanced alien race, they'd never reach us anyways, because the distance they would have to travel would be enormous, taking forever.
That's debatable. We haven't managed to directly "see" planets in that many star systems. We have basically deduced the presence of numerous ones without having seen them.
Provided equipment that somehow traveled almost at the speed of light, it wouldn't be impossible for life from a nearby star system to get here in a couple hundred years (or even a few years for the closer star systems but I'm pretty sure there's no life on those =P). Now is such technology even possible, I don't know - what I know is that it's unlikely. Even crazy to ACTIVELY believe, because of how unlikely it is.
Anyway. No. I don't believe in actual aliens. I'm not convinced at this point of the evidence that I've had the luxury of hearing that aliens actually exist.
To paraphrase the amazing astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson:
To say that you've seen an UNIDENTIFIED flying object... and then claim that you can actually *identify* it as aliens... means that there's something seriously wrong with your logic...
There's probably life elsewhere in the universe, seeing as how enormous it is and how high the chances are for life to come about... but we don't have substantial empirical evidence at the moment to think we've found aliens.
On June 26 2010 05:12 cSc wrote: Aliens man. Such a fun topic to discuss! I'm sort of border line on it though but one thing I find really cool is ancient rock art and hieroglyphics of aliens. Thoughts about these anyone? Sometimes I think some stuff just can't be explained. yet..
Hieroglyphs of aliens? So you assume to know what aliens look like?
What I meant was like how ancient civilizations have alien like drawings. Weather it be on a cave wall or other medium. But no I don't know what aliens look like, or even if there are "aliens" in the sense that they are thinking creatures and not just micro-organisms.
I think you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think there isn't life anywhere else. However life formed here, could probably happen somewhere else. The galaxy is too unknown to say it flat out doesn't exist. Wish there was a vote for "Yeah probably is somewhere"
For the UFO encounters and such. So many have been proven fake it's ridiculous. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a few that were real though. It's definitely possible.
I've seen one of those triangle aircraft things man. They the shape of a boomerang with less and they glide,with lights all on its bottom facing the ground. My friends and I are like so mad that we didn't get any footage of it. Very exciting when it happened though, i've thought to look them up on the net as well.
On June 26 2010 03:33 Lightswarm wrote: there probably are aliens. but they are most likely to be organisms such as bacterium/small clumps of multicellular creatures/fish-like stuff
How can you say that when there is around 500 billion (to count) galaxies in the universe. To even disregard that there is no form of life that is more then just on a cellular level is just denying pure logic.
In our Solar system there is 8 planets, due to Pluto being regarded as an inactive Dwarf, we have over 85 solar systems in our galaxy so do the math. Somewhere there must be some life that is on some level - intelligent but I do disregard everything that has to do with "They have spacecraft, etc"
I believe that multiple Solar systems has a planet close to a Star/active dwarf or some planet like the Sun, where life exists beyond cellular and bacterial level. If not at least a livable planet.
I don't know whether there is another life form somewhere else in the Universe, and personally don't really care to know, but to say that "There MUST be another life form because the Universe is SO BIG" is faulty logic.
If there were life outside of Earth more intelligent than we are... well, I'd just be scared.
On June 26 2010 03:33 Lightswarm wrote: there probably are aliens. but they are most likely to be organisms such as bacterium/small clumps of multicellular creatures/fish-like stuff
How can you say that when there is around 500 billion (to count) galaxies in the universe. To even disregard that there is no form of life that is more then just on a cellular level is just denying pure logic.
In our Solar system there is 8 planets, due to Pluto being regarded as an inactive Dwarf, we have over 85 solar systems in our galaxy so do the math. Somewhere there must be some life that is on some level - intelligent but I do disregard everything that has to do with "They have spacecraft, etc"
I believe that multiple Solar systems has a planet close to a Star/active dwarf or some planet like the Sun, where life exists beyond cellular and bacterial level. If not at least a livable planet.
"over 85 star systems" in our galaxy is... one of the worst understatements i've ever seen :p
I don't know why, but I read this as "do you believe in Asians" LOL. And well, I believe in their existence, but not necessarily that they're extremely high tech or anything. :p
considering the fact of how vast the known universe is, by the logic of probability the idea of an intelligent alien lifeform existing somewhere in the vast region of space is not really that improbable at all...
now if the question was about if alien and human being have made contact, ie: Alien abducting human beings and anal probing us, or us made contact with them through telecommunications methods... well none of us really knows except of the selected fews of the developed countries, government officials/scientist etc...
now if your wondering if UFO's are real or not, the answer is yes, flying saucers are real. but whether they are piloted/designed by extraterrestrial life form or human beings remains at question...
I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
For me there's no doubt that there are some other intelligent (well don't have to be intelligent I guess) lifeforms out there. If they visited us respectively still do.. I don't think so. Travelling for possibly millions of light years and not trying to interact with us?
We'll probably never know. There's billions upon billions of star systems, or whatever, it's been a while since I took Astronomy. One of them could contain planets that supports life. But the UFO stuff is straight up bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
I'm talking specifically about intelligent ETs and them visiting us. If you wanna get into probability on that go ahead.
On June 26 2010 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: I don't mean to derail this into a religious thread, but the only good example here would be a diety/god analogy.
Sure there very well could be something smart/powerful out there but there is no way to prove it and it all must be taken on faith.
There is tons of top secret testing from gov't that is so weird, people just jump to the biggest conclusions.
Like there is a good example of these slow descending flares that a whole city saw, and later a crack team came to the location of the main video from the incident and overlayed it on some mountains and it fit perfectly with the flare description. I can't find the video on youtube, but there has been a thread about it before iirc.
No.
You do not take probable life forms on "faith" you take it on probability.
How can you even compare the possible existence of other life, to the possible existence of a "god"?
I'm talking specifically about intelligent ETs and them visiting us. If you wanna get into probability on that go ahead.
I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Yes it's 2 hours long, watch at your own risk.
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
We should invent Mass Effect technology.
The thing is, maybe it IS impossible. People say they "wouldn't be surprised" if aliens happened to have visited earth or have a probe around our star. I would be. It's true that science is progressing ridiculously fast and who knows what we'll be able to do in 100 years, let alone 1000 - but maybe some things are just impossible.
What if there's just no way to come close to the speed of light? (Saying you can go *AT* the speed of light at all is absurd)
What if bending time and space is just a concept? I'm certainly not feasible - certainly I can't wrap my mind around that concept in terms of actually getting it done but yeah...
It's possible that physics just doesn't all for that type of travel.
So yeah I would be really surprised if I heard that some living things from another planet managed to get here. I would personally be extremely curious about how they did it.
Perhaps they exist. Perhaps they don't. Maybe they put us on Earth as a science project. Hell, maybe in the future we invent time machines but they are just undetectable and our great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren are watching us on a TV screen type out this discussion. The hell if I know.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
You assume it deserves attention.
No. It deserves attention, you probably have not watched it, many reputable people came forward with their testimonies. It was really good.
On June 26 2010 10:27 Fritts wrote: I've spent a lot of time scouring the internet about alien/UFO related things for the past year. Not because I care so much about other life, but because if they are real the technology that they could bring would be extremely beneficial. Out of everything I found this video is what really made me go from being really skeptical to maybe there is something more to this:
Out of everything out there that is UFO/alien related about 90%+ is garbage. I don't blame people for not taking any of this seriously because of the numerous hoaxes, blatant photoshop, and tampered videos. There are a few stories and videos out there that really make you wonder though.
For some reason many people have an easy time imagining microbial life elsewhere in the galaxy but aren't so quick to think that there is intelligent life. I never really got that. There are stars in our own galaxy that are a billion or more years older than our sun. For all we know intelligent life could have formed and died off on the planets orbiting those stars before humans even came into existence. It's not as far fetched as you think for other beings to come here either. Here's why I think that.
In the past 100 or so years humans have gone from lighting their homes with kerosene lamps to everything you see today. Today we have already detected a great number of extrasolar planets and that number will only increase more rapidly as we refine our technology. Granted not many of them are thought possible to harbor life because those ones are typically smaller and more difficult to locate. Now imagine aliens 1000 or more years more advanced than us. If they are anywhere close to as curious about life in the cosmos then they have likely already detected us. If we found a planet out there that was almost identical to earth what would we do? wouldn't we try to send a probe to observe the planet even if it took 100 years to get there? It wouldn't surprise me if there was an alien probe orbiting our sun right now.
The major problem lots of people have with aliens visiting us is the distance problem. How could they travel so far? By normal means it is just not possible because it takes infinite energy to move an object at the speed of light. The only explanation that seems to work is they are able to control gravity. If they are able to produce a strong enough gravity field to curve space they might be able to artificially shorten the distance between two distant points in space. Just like in science fiction. Just because it isn't thought to be possible with present day technology doesn't mean it won't be thousands of years in the future when we are more knowledgeable.
I could ramble all day but I'll save more crazy talk for later.
The disclosure project was awesome, I've watched it and it was really, really well done. Too bad it didn't get as much attention as it deserves,
You assume it deserves attention.
No. It deserves attention, you probably have not watched it, many reputable people came forward with their testimonies. It was really good.
I've taken the time to watch part of it. Much of it is anecdotal, many of those people don't express themselves properly.
The "project" is obviously another one of those conspiracy theories. Also they assume that UFOs are piloted by aliens.
Also I would like you to name "reputable" people in this video. Most of them are nobodies, and even if they managed to get one or two reputable people in there, it's obvious that it's not a serious institution at all.
As pointed out on another website, the witnesses are almost all old white guys in their retirement pointing at known sources of disinformation.
Here, found a link again. This guy, unlike people in that wacky video, gives you researchable claims. When I say you're gullible, it's for a reason. You are gullible. If scientists were like you, we wouldn't get very far. The fact is, you watch youtube videos - that's what you do. You don't bother to make research.
If you even look into the "project" website, you'll see it's just another whackjob BS website which doesn't look into things. It's one of those "alien" cults. Pull yourself together man, this video is a joke.
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up. Or at the very least, pretty darn delusional.
People who give credit to that video are no different from those who watch "9/11 truthers" videos and instantaneously accept them as true and reputable.
The guy in the video pretends to be a PhD but as it turns out it comes from an unaccredited school from the back end of Brasil. People will still believe him just because of what he pretends to be. It's a very good reason to get slow people to believe you because they know you won't double check if you already believe them. Then they sell you trinkets: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.disclosureproject.org/shopping.shtml
It's easy to watch Youtube videos and take everything for granted. That's what people do when they WANT to believe something.
Even if Stephen Hawking himself told me he saw a UFO, I would be skeptical - nobody's immune to delusion, optical illusions, insane beliefs or even going batshit crazy. Fortunately for us, science and physics, Hawking goes against that movement.
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up.
Your statement applies equally well (perhaps even more so) to any of the organized religions to which the majority of the population clings. So, why the stigma against the former and not the latter?
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up.
Your statement applies equally well (perhaps even more so) to any of the organized religions to which the majority of the population clings. So, why the stigma against the former and not the latter?
You mean why isn't there a stigma against religion but there is a stigma against UFO sightings?
I didn't want this to go there but I'll explain if you need me to.
In modern society, there's this idea that religion is sort of sacred. Even atheists, like myself, try to be respectful of people's religions most of the time. When I visit my gf's parents in TX, I "play along" when they pray at the table before eating a ridiculously good steak.
There are obvious reasons for why a person's religion is exceptionally "important" to them and I won't go into details here because I don't want to, but basically, I don't think it's possible for a person in a country like ours to not at LEAST have doubts about whatever "irrational" beliefs they may have. When you question them, it makes them uncomfortable so they largely ignore it.
Also you obviously can't have stigma in a society where most people are religious.
There's a stigma against Scientology because their cult is openly a scam but the people are so into it that they disregard that fact. Same deal with the Raelians which are part of a cult which believes in UFOs and all that stuff. There's a fairly recent "denomination" of Christianity is also openly a scam (hint: they hate gay people and spent millions dollars grieving them). Yet, people are attached to their scams.
There IS stigma against them because they just do things that seem funny and weird to all of us, because we're not used to it. But when you think about it, people from all kind of beliefs have weird ceremonies... Look into a church. Let's pretend we had never seen a church and suddenly people started making statues of a guy with nails in his hands and feet on a cross, it would look REALLY weird and we'd (all) think it's crazy - and then there would be as much stigma against it as there is for all of those little sects.
We're just used to it, so when we see Jesus on the cross, we don't really react to it.
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up.
Your statement applies equally well (perhaps even more so) to any of the organized religions to which the majority of the population clings. So, why the stigma against the former and not the latter?
You mean why isn't there a stigma against religion but there is a stigma against UFO sightings?
I didn't want this to go there but I'll explain if you need me to.
In modern society, there's this idea that religion is sort of sacred. Even atheists, like myself, try to be respectful of people's religions most of the time. When I visit my gf's parents in TX, I "play along" when they pray at the table before eating a ridiculously good steak.
There are obvious reasons for why a person's religion is exceptionally "important" to them and I won't go into details here because I don't want to, but basically, I don't think it's possible for a person in a country like ours to not at LEAST have doubts about whatever "irrational" beliefs they may have. When you question them, it makes them uncomfortable so they largely ignore it.
Also you obviously can't have stigma in a society where most people are religious.
There's a stigma against Scientology because their cult is openly a scam but the people are so into it that they disregard that fact. Same deal with the Raelians which are part of a cult which believes in UFOs and all that stuff.
There IS stigma against them because they just do things that seem funny and weird to all of us, because we're not used to it. But when you think about it, people from all religions have weird ceremonies... Look into a church - if we had never done that before and suddenly people started making statues of a guy with nails in his hands and feet on a cross, it would look REALLY weird and we'd think it's crazy - and then there would be as much stigma against it as there is for all of those little sects.
We're just used to it, so when we see Jesus on the cross, we don't really react to it.
My question was rhetorical; I know full well about organized religion's special shroud of undeserved respectability. I apologize for not being more clear.
On June 27 2010 05:28 eNoq wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in aliens is an ignorant fuck
Anyone who affirms without the shadow of a doubt that aliens visit earth is likely pretty messed up.
Your statement applies equally well (perhaps even more so) to any of the organized religions to which the majority of the population clings. So, why the stigma against the former and not the latter?
You mean why isn't there a stigma against religion but there is a stigma against UFO sightings?
I didn't want this to go there but I'll explain if you need me to.
In modern society, there's this idea that religion is sort of sacred. Even atheists, like myself, try to be respectful of people's religions most of the time. When I visit my gf's parents in TX, I "play along" when they pray at the table before eating a ridiculously good steak.
There are obvious reasons for why a person's religion is exceptionally "important" to them and I won't go into details here because I don't want to, but basically, I don't think it's possible for a person in a country like ours to not at LEAST have doubts about whatever "irrational" beliefs they may have. When you question them, it makes them uncomfortable so they largely ignore it.
Also you obviously can't have stigma in a society where most people are religious.
There's a stigma against Scientology because their cult is openly a scam but the people are so into it that they disregard that fact. Same deal with the Raelians which are part of a cult which believes in UFOs and all that stuff.
There IS stigma against them because they just do things that seem funny and weird to all of us, because we're not used to it. But when you think about it, people from all religions have weird ceremonies... Look into a church - if we had never done that before and suddenly people started making statues of a guy with nails in his hands and feet on a cross, it would look REALLY weird and we'd think it's crazy - and then there would be as much stigma against it as there is for all of those little sects.
We're just used to it, so when we see Jesus on the cross, we don't really react to it.
My question was rhetorical; I know full well about organized religion's special shroud of undeserved respectability. I apologize for not being more clear.
and yeah, the disclosure project seems fine until it gets to the part about aliens having bases on the backside of our moon, that's when my face contorts a bit.
I like to keep an open mind about this sort of thing. There have been thousands of UFO reports over the decades and among them there are many even the brightest minds have trouble coming up with a reasonable explanation for. This doesn't in any way mean they are alien crafts but I don't think we should completely rule out that possibility just because it seems improbable. A little over 100 years ago people told the Wright brothers flying was impossible, today the physics of flight is almost common sense. Not only crazy people consider aliens a possibility, in the past a nobel prize winning physicist was surprised about the lack of evidence for alien visitation. See the Fermi Paradox:
With that said, it doesn't matter what kind of media related to this subject is posted on the net, this subject will always be stigmatized until concrete physical evidence is found.
But anyway, I don't give much merit to the Fermi paradox.
There's a high probability of intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe, it's true, but if they sent "messages" of any kind, it wouldn't ever reach our galaxy (assuming that they were outside).
The probability of life existing in the milky way is lower. If there's life in the milky way, they can send signals like we do. Those travel "slowly". By the time we receive it, it'll have been tens of thousands of years or more. Maybe we don't even have the technology to intercept those signals but I'm guessing that's not the case.
Now, the diameter of the milky way is roughly 100,000 light years, let's say we receive radio signals that are still intact somehow after traveling in space at the speed of light for 50,000 years. It would then take another 50,000 years for them to receive the response. Provided everything goes well, it takes 100,000 for a civilization to hear back from the other unless they're close together.
No matter what random numbers you put to it, it's a long time - especially for a civilization, and especially for people who live not much longer than 100 years. Let's say we receive an alien message today and it's found out to be genuine, then we freak out and we respond. Hopefully we have some kind of way to make that message "useful" in that, it's got to be hard to communicate with an entirely different species. Naturally that message would be a broadcast and not just a one time thing.
Now though, 100,000 years in, our message reaches their planet. Are they still there? They could have been dead well before we received their message. There are plenty of things that can wipe out a planet or a species or at least slow it down a lot. Right now there are scientists working on "antimatter". Maybe once a civilization reaches a certain point in its scientific discoveries, it inevitably blows itself up. This is just a possibility of course but anybody can see that with a growing world population, there's bound to be important conflicts in the future... Let alone 100,000 years.
And LET'S SAY both civilizations are still there, do we go? Do we not go? If we go there what do we do? Do we have the technology for space travel over such long distances? Is such technology even feasible? Who's willing to get on a ship that won't really be able to communicate with earth? When we get there 50,000+ years later, what the shizzle do we do there? Are they still around? Hostile?
The thing is, here, it's easy to say "well you assume we're right about physics, maybe it's possible to bend time and space" or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that it's pretty hard to wrap your mind around some wacky "hypothesis" if you will that says it's possible to go faster than light. MAYBE it turns out to be possible but the fact that we don't think so lowers, for us, the odds that aliens may be around.
Another argument is, the universe is 14 billion years old. Intelligent life could (probably will) form in the future, and some intelligent life will probably go extinct (well technically eventually it'll all go extinct when the whole Universe is frozen).
We've only been around for a tiny tiny nick on a giant timeline. If we don't happen to be around at the same time as whatever other civilization. Personally I wouldn't bet any money on whether or not we'll be around in a million years (and even 1 million is a tiny amount of time in the grand scheme of things). I mean it's true, in the last 100 years we went from not having much to blowing up a 50 megatons nuke that could easily be deployed to kill millions of people. Imagine what we'll be able to blow up in 1000 years.
Dude, go read Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan. I recommend it to every one of you who believe/is suspicious of things like ghosts, UFOs, aliens, witches, and so on. It is really well written and it opens your eyes on some things. Definitively a good read.
OT: I don't believe in these UFOs that are closely watching on us or smth. Aliens may exist somewhere else in the universe, but it's highly undoubtedly that they are invading the Earth. Have you ever wondered why the UFO stories started after 1940 and not before? Well it is well known that the Nazis experimented with aircrafts that were very similar to these 'UFO planes' and it is probable that someone else managed to make something of it (USA, Russia,...) Just my two cents.
Im kinda neutral on the subject, if it turned out that we are the only intelligent life forms in the whole infinity of space i wouldn't be surprised. If there are some intelligent life forms that use advanced technology out there i wouldn't be surprised either. And yea im a fan of sci-fi, and i'm really hoping that we aren't the only ones out here but i don't BELIEVE in it.
As for your story OP, no i don't believe it at all.
On June 27 2010 19:10 Art.FeeL wrote: Dude, go read Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan. I recommend it to every one of you who believe/is suspicious of things like ghosts, UFOs, aliens, witches, and so on. It is really well written and it opens your eyes on some things. Definitively a good read.
OT: I don't believe in these UFOs that are closely watching on us or smth. Aliens may exist somewhere else in the universe, but it's highly undoubtedly that they are invading the Earth. Have you ever wondered why the UFO stories started after 1940 and not before? Well it is well known that the Nazis experimented with aircrafts that were very similar to these 'UFO planes' and it is probable that someone else managed to make something of it (USA, Russia,...) Just my two cents.
I remember watching a show and the Nazi's apparently had alot of really really advanced tech in testing (i believe theres some anti grav ring?) or some shit in France well thats what people think its for anyway iirc..that they sealed all the tunnels full of concrete after abandoning them(Nazi's did)
I have no doubt in my mind they had alotttttttttttt of fucked up shit going on.
On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
It makes sooo much sense, apparently "Chariots of the Gods?" is a good book which ill be getting tuesday :D:D so ill report back then
It's when it speaks of intelligent life I'm a little bit more concerned. The universe is fucking huge, so huge it's absolutely easier to find a needle hidden deeply in the Pacific Ocean. And if the distance wasn't the only problem, time is another. Humanity is young, timely speaking. If an UFO, somewhere in the universe, decided to check our planet at the right time, and made the move to Earth like the pure luckiest UFO in the universe, he'd have the right to play lottery every week. 10.000 years, compared to the timeline of the whole universe, is a blink.
And people who see UFO are way too many, so many I just can't believe them.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
If I could, I would say "yes" and "you're retarded" all at once.
It's silly to think they don't exist - the notion that we're somehow the one habitable planet with factors that facilitate the development of life is... narrow-minded. There is certainly life out there.
At the same time, the notion that we're "actively visited" by aliens is equally silly. To assume that, just because they don't live here, they're somehow SUPER TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED AND CAN LIKE DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS WHOA is nonsensical. I mean I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY unlikely. frankly, we'll probably find evidence of life in our own solar system sometime soon (relative to, say, the time it might take for us to find it outside our solar system), but it will be long-extinct and/or simple single-celled organisms. I'm looking at you, Mars.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
You can even get some media: Direct contact with ET beings and spacecraft and discerning these from man-made classified technologies. This includes field work out under the stars with Dr. Greer.
Would YOU like some field work out under the stars? Seriously lolz. These guys are serious business. Nuts would never do that!
I guess it's a hoax more so than a scam since it focuses on disinformation more so than on making money (I suppose, though I wouldn't be surprised if going to their seminars cost money or they sold little overpriced trinkets there).
Either way it's obviously not a reliable source and as its been pointed out earlier, the LOWEST form of evidence in the world is eye witness testimony. That's all you've got.
PS, from their website: Join (them) for this unique opportunity to learn how to be an Ambassador to the Universe! This nearly week-long intensive prepares you to make open, peaceful contact with Extraterrestrial civilizations as a citizen-diplomat from Earth.
I would like to be an "Ambassador of the Universe!".
Life in other places throughout the universe, most definitely. Little green aliens flying around getting spotted by civilians? Highly doubt it. The video looks like someone hang-gliding or parasailing at night or something.
You also have to consider that if intelligent life were to travel hundreds of lightyears to our planet, they wouldn't just poke around and take a look. They would have a better fucking reason to travel that far. i.e. to take our planet for themselves. If you are a vastly superior race (capable of travelling hundreds of lightyears) why would you even bother coming here? You would send a probe first to check the place out. If aliens actually showed up in person I would probably make the assumption that they are going to kill us and take our shit, i.e. a solar system full of resources with a habitable planet or two.
If we ever contact an extra-terrestrial species it likely wouldn't be through them observing us stealthily. More likely a situation like the movie "contact" would occur, where we receive some kind of radio transmission from them after they see our radio transmission. (which has only been leaving earth for ~70 years, so they would have to be very close to us to even hear them).
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
You can even get some media: Direct contact with ET beings and spacecraft and discerning these from man-made classified technologies. This includes field work out under the stars with Dr. Greer.
Would YOU like some field work out under the stars? Seriously lolz. These guys are serious business. Nuts would never do that!
I guess it's a hoax more so than a scam since it focuses on disinformation more so than on making money (I suppose, though I wouldn't be surprised if going to their seminars cost money or they sold little overpriced trinkets there).
Either way it's obviously not a reliable source and as its been pointed out earlier, the LOWEST form of evidence in the world is eye witness testimony. That's all you've got.
PS, from their website: Join (them) for this unique opportunity to learn how to be an Ambassador to the Universe! This nearly week-long intensive prepares you to make open, peaceful contact with Extraterrestrial civilizations as a citizen-diplomat from Earth.
I would like to be an "Ambassador of the Universe!".
Thats fine, since I knew about the things they try and peddle to the public, I specifically asked what believing in the theory of ancient astronauts constitutes a scam? I never said anything about the disclosure project, and that was not the focus of my question to you. If you read what I typed again you will see that, thanks for the well written and insightful reply though.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
You can even get some media: Direct contact with ET beings and spacecraft and discerning these from man-made classified technologies. This includes field work out under the stars with Dr. Greer.
Would YOU like some field work out under the stars? Seriously lolz. These guys are serious business. Nuts would never do that!
I guess it's a hoax more so than a scam since it focuses on disinformation more so than on making money (I suppose, though I wouldn't be surprised if going to their seminars cost money or they sold little overpriced trinkets there).
Either way it's obviously not a reliable source and as its been pointed out earlier, the LOWEST form of evidence in the world is eye witness testimony. That's all you've got.
PS, from their website: Join (them) for this unique opportunity to learn how to be an Ambassador to the Universe! This nearly week-long intensive prepares you to make open, peaceful contact with Extraterrestrial civilizations as a citizen-diplomat from Earth.
I would like to be an "Ambassador of the Universe!".
Thats fine, since I knew about the things they try and peddle to the public, I specifically asked what believing in the theory of ancient astronauts constitutes a scam? I never said anything about the disclosure project, and that was not the focus of my question to you. If you read what I typed again you will see that, thanks for the well written and insightful reply though.
The "theory" of ancient astronauts isn't a scam although people use it as a scam. Raëlism, for instance - and a bunch of religions. Can't blame it for that, but otherwise it's just phony and weak. What single decent argument does this so-called "theory" make?
"Such theories have not received support within the scientific community, and have received little or no attention in peer reviewed studies from scientific journals."
^ There is a reason for this.
I won't screw around on Wikipedia because I figure it's not the best way to educate myself. If you feel you have a decent source, show me what makes you think that this "theory" is worthwhile. I'll gladly explain to you why it's BS.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
You can even get some media: Direct contact with ET beings and spacecraft and discerning these from man-made classified technologies. This includes field work out under the stars with Dr. Greer.
Would YOU like some field work out under the stars? Seriously lolz. These guys are serious business. Nuts would never do that!
I guess it's a hoax more so than a scam since it focuses on disinformation more so than on making money (I suppose, though I wouldn't be surprised if going to their seminars cost money or they sold little overpriced trinkets there).
Either way it's obviously not a reliable source and as its been pointed out earlier, the LOWEST form of evidence in the world is eye witness testimony. That's all you've got.
PS, from their website: Join (them) for this unique opportunity to learn how to be an Ambassador to the Universe! This nearly week-long intensive prepares you to make open, peaceful contact with Extraterrestrial civilizations as a citizen-diplomat from Earth.
I would like to be an "Ambassador of the Universe!".
Thats fine, since I knew about the things they try and peddle to the public, I specifically asked what believing in the theory of ancient astronauts constitutes a scam? I never said anything about the disclosure project, and that was not the focus of my question to you. If you read what I typed again you will see that, thanks for the well written and insightful reply though.
The "theory" of ancient astronauts isn't a scam although people use it as a scam. Raëlism, for instance - and a bunch of religions. Can't blame it for that, but otherwise it's just phony and weak. What single decent argument does this so-called "theory" make?
"Such theories have not received support within the scientific community, and have received little or no attention in peer reviewed studies from scientific journals."
^ There is a reason for this.
I won't screw around on Wikipedia because I figure it's not the best way to educate myself. If you feel you have a decent source, show me what makes you think that this "theory" is worthwhile. I'll gladly explain to you why it's BS.
You can explain to me why you THINK it's BS, however you do not posses evidence to disprove it, just like I cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt that it's real.
On June 27 2010 22:05 arb wrote: On Topic, no matter what anyone says after watching some stuff on the Ancient Astronaut thing, i firmly believe in it.
Why would you firmly believe in something which is demonstrably shady and a scam.... Start thinking man.
How is a theory a scam? Unless of course there is no merit to the claims and they just try and sell you stuff ;p
"How is a theory a scam"
Are you serious? You do realize that it's not a scientific theory? It's as much of a theory as the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory. Should you believe it just because it calls ITSELF a theory?
I understand it's not scientific theory. And I wouldn't go as far to say it's on par with the flying spaghetti monster, at all. When someone comes forth with some evidence or factual, well represented claims, then I think it deserves attention. Not once did I say you should believe something only for the fact it calls itself a theory, don't put words in my mouth. I really don't see why you come off as defensive, I just wanted a discussion. So I repeat my question, how is THIS theory (ancient astronaut) a SCAM? What have they tried to gain from this? What is being sold? How is it scamming YOU?
You can even get some media: Direct contact with ET beings and spacecraft and discerning these from man-made classified technologies. This includes field work out under the stars with Dr. Greer.
Would YOU like some field work out under the stars? Seriously lolz. These guys are serious business. Nuts would never do that!
I guess it's a hoax more so than a scam since it focuses on disinformation more so than on making money (I suppose, though I wouldn't be surprised if going to their seminars cost money or they sold little overpriced trinkets there).
Either way it's obviously not a reliable source and as its been pointed out earlier, the LOWEST form of evidence in the world is eye witness testimony. That's all you've got.
PS, from their website: Join (them) for this unique opportunity to learn how to be an Ambassador to the Universe! This nearly week-long intensive prepares you to make open, peaceful contact with Extraterrestrial civilizations as a citizen-diplomat from Earth.
I would like to be an "Ambassador of the Universe!".
Thats fine, since I knew about the things they try and peddle to the public, I specifically asked what believing in the theory of ancient astronauts constitutes a scam? I never said anything about the disclosure project, and that was not the focus of my question to you. If you read what I typed again you will see that, thanks for the well written and insightful reply though.
The "theory" of ancient astronauts isn't a scam although people use it as a scam. Raëlism, for instance - and a bunch of religions. Can't blame it for that, but otherwise it's just phony and weak. What single decent argument does this so-called "theory" make?
"Such theories have not received support within the scientific community, and have received little or no attention in peer reviewed studies from scientific journals."
^ There is a reason for this.
I won't screw around on Wikipedia because I figure it's not the best way to educate myself. If you feel you have a decent source, show me what makes you think that this "theory" is worthwhile. I'll gladly explain to you why it's BS.
You can explain to me why you THINK it's BS, however you do not posses evidence to disprove it, just like I cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt that it's real.
The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"), or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
In other words, I think it's false because there's no reason to believe it's true. And you ask me to disprove it. You're asking me to prove a negative. The issue here is, the burden of proof is on you because you make a positive claim.
Unfortunately, I can't disprove it. I can't disprove Santa Claus either. I can't prove to you that Unicorns don't exist. Would you ask me to find evidence to disprove unicorns?
I hope for you that you're smart enough to realize that what you're asking me is absurd.
With that cleared up, unless you're fine with asking me to do something ridiculous and leaving it at that, I want to put you back on the right track. If you care to, give me evidence FOR it, otherwise your "theory" is just a unicorn.
If by aliens you mean ozzie osbourn then yes, i believe lol.
In reality though the likelihood of life existing is really really really really small.
Here is the best answer.
Fred Hoyle calculated the odds that all the functional proteins neccesary for life might form in one place by random events. They came up with a figure or one chance in 10^40,000. (Yes that is a googleplex to the fourth power) considering there are only about 10^80 subatomic particles in the entire visible universe, the physicists concluded that this was "an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisited of organic soup"" (Hoyle Evolution from Space pg 24).
Lol that is the odds for protein to form. Now lets look at the odds for an earth like planet capable of even supporting life.
1. A system must have a single stellar body otherwise tempuratures would vary too much. So get rid of about 67% of all star systems.
2. The planet itself must be a certain size in order to rotate properly and must a certain distance from the sun in order for tempurature ranges to stay stable. Mars is too bid and venus too small. It's approximately .83 to 1.2 solar masses, so lets say possibly 1 per solar system (that is pretty high)
3. The planet must have begun by a protoplanetary disk that is short lived otherwise planets would crash into the star too quickly so that eliminates another 50% of stars.
4. There must be no large planets like jupiter with very elipitcal orbits which would destroy smaller planets.
5. There must be some large planets with very circular orbits at the right distance in order to prevent astroids from destroying life.
6. The distance from the sun must be perfect. If the earth was 5% closer or 1% farther from the sun there would be a runaway greenhouse or runaway ice age preventing life.
7. The planets mass have about 0.85 to 1.33 or the earths mass in order to make sure that spieces aren't crushed by the gravity, yet big enough to make sure that there is water vapor.
8. There must be a moon surronding planet in order to have a stable rotation around the sun. WIthout one, jupiter would pull on earth too much and cause the orbit to be impossible to sustain life. The moon is a part of an earth and an asteroid that collided that formed a perfectly sized moon. The odds of this happening are about 1-1million.
9. The crust of the earth must be just right and must stabilize the planet for a few billion years. I will link to an article in a minute.
10. Life must exist. Kinda funny but this is not a given even on a potentially habitable planet. According to Michael Hart "The simplest known organism which is capable of indepedent existence includes about 100 different genes. For each of 100 different specific genes to be formed spontaneously in 10 billion years the probability is 1 in 10^3000. For them to be formed at the same time, and in close proximity, the probability is very much lower." (Hart 222-223)
11. The probability that a spieces hasn't died off even after it formed is also pretty low, don't have exact numbers on that right now.
12. According to NASA there are about 10^12 stars in the universe. Lets take the lenient 1 in 10^3000 odds. Divided by the numbers of stars that leaves the odds at about 10^2988. Given that this number is impossibly huge, I would bet my life for a cheesburger against those odds. In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
Off course this begs this question, well then how does life on earth exist?
[Most quotes were grabbed from the book the book Show me God http://www.amazon.com/Show-Me-God-Message-Telling/dp/1885849532 which is an excellent book if you are interested in mathematics, science, and probability in looking at the explanations of the universe.]
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking. The reason physicists don't accept it is because it's a non-arugment or an arugment from ignorance. Physicists are only concerned with what can be observed and are not allowed to make conclusions from what they cannot observe. The only things i'm concerned with are the odds of life. Just look up the universe phenomenon, the universe theoretically should not exist right now. What I am talking about is only looking at the possibility of life existing in the known universe. In college, neither biology nor physics even touched this subject, why? Because current scientists can't explain it. There are currently no good theories about it, just try to find a single one. The only good theory right now is that because there is life on earth, it must mean the possibilty of life exists elsewhere. I hate it when people make arrogant decisions about something without even exploring the evidence. This is called Ad hominem and I have no respect for Ad hominem attacks. The OP was asking the question of do aliens exist and my answer is probably not.
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking.
All of the "evidence" is distorted.
Real physicists and biologists would laugh at that. It's probably packed with quote mining.
Stuff from Dawkins that has something to do with "What The Message From Space Is Telling Us About God"?
Carl Sagan is probably facepalming really hard right now. Einstein even more so. It's funny that an atheist such as Einstein would be on the cover of a religious book.
Here's a short video detailing how a UFO was seen during the same time when many nuclear missiles were disabled 60ft underground. How is this even possible? or is it all just made up for the sake of television?
1. The overwhelming likelihood is that other life in the universe exists given that the theory of evolution is true (if it's not true, then we're still at a loss as to how we came to be, meaning that even in the habitable zone of star systems it's not a fair assumption to say that life can come to be on those planets)
2. The overwhelming likelihood is that we've not been visited. Even in basic astronomy classes, you learn how unbelievably massive our universe is. The likelihood that alien life is intelligent and more intelligent than us to the point of space flight is small. The likelihood that alien life would have found us is considerably smaller. And the kicker, given the size of the universe and the cosmic speedlimit (c) the likelihood that they would get to us is so small as to almost be absurd.
There is a chance that they are advanced enough to have both located us and developed a method of travel that make space rather than the craft move to get places (something that would require an absolutely absurd amount of energy) is incredibly, unbelievably small, but it is possible.
Maybe Alien can manipulate time? keke . That would be cool. And it explains why we didn't see Alien on Earth. They just travel back in time whenever they are spotted keke.
Ah, I just hoped Alien would kidnap me. When I meet them I will ask if they have technology for immortality? I mean, stay healthy and young forever keke. Every day is 17 years old.
Ah, I will give up everything for immortality.
Wow, I sound like some1 selling soul to the devil. I think devil will come find me and offer immortality if Devil saw this comment.
Here's a short video detailing how a UFO was seen during the same time when many nuclear missiles were disabled 60ft underground. How is this even possible? or is it all just made up for the sake of television?
Second-hand eye witness testimony plus the possibility of human error and a cover-up (and certainly other explanations).
Yeaaaaaaah.
The overwhelming likelihood is that other life in the universe exists given that the theory of evolution is true (if it's not true, then we're still at a loss as to how we came to be, meaning that even in the habitable zone of star systems it's not a fair assumption to say that life can come to be on those planets)
If evolution happens not to be true, we'll have to wonder where all the evidence came from and why nobody ever came close to disproving it before. In fact, if it's not true, we can pretty much say it's been "made to look exactly as if it were true"... which IMO is very ridiculous =P
The overwhelming likelihood is that other life in the universe exists given that the theory of evolution is true (if it's not true, then we're still at a loss as to how we came to be, meaning that even in the habitable zone of star systems it's not a fair assumption to say that life can come to be on those planets)
If evolution happens not to be true, we'll have to wonder where all the evidence came from and why nobody ever came close to disproving it before. In fact, if it's not true, we can pretty much say it's been "made to look exactly as if it were true"... which IMO is very ridiculous =P
I'm not here to argue evolution, but it is necessary to point out that it is an assumption to factor in.
Here's a short video detailing how a UFO was seen during the same time when many nuclear missiles were disabled 60ft underground. How is this even possible? or is it all just made up for the sake of television?
video
That was a neat video, I was surprised to see CNN cover something like that!
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking.
All of the "evidence" is distorted.
Real physicists and biologists would laugh at that. It's probably packed with quote mining.
Stuff from Dawkins that has something to do with "What The Message From Space Is Telling Us About God"?
Carl Sagan is probably facepalming really hard right now. Einstein even more so. It's funny that an atheist such as Einstein would be on the cover of a religious book.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. He just didn't believe in a personal god in the tradition of Western religions such as Christianity and Judaism. Hawking has also said explicitly that he believes that there is a god, but that the god does not actively screw around with the universe.
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking.
All of the "evidence" is distorted.
Real physicists and biologists would laugh at that. It's probably packed with quote mining.
Stuff from Dawkins that has something to do with "What The Message From Space Is Telling Us About God"?
Carl Sagan is probably facepalming really hard right now. Einstein even more so. It's funny that an atheist such as Einstein would be on the cover of a religious book.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. He just didn't believe in a personal god in the tradition of Western religions such as Christianity and Judaism. Hawking has also said explicitly that he believes that there is a god, but that the god does not actively screw around with the universe.
I would be surprised to see a quote of Hawking saying that.
I would be even more surprised to see Hawking supporting a book from an actor which pretends to know stuff he's never pretended to know =P
Why can't we vote Yes AND You're Retarded? I don't think there has been contact/significant contact but of course I think there is life outside of Earth.
On June 28 2010 13:16 darmousseh wrote: If by aliens you mean ozzie osbourn then yes, i believe lol.
In reality though the likelihood of life existing is really really really really small.
Here is the best answer.
Fred Hoyle calculated the odds that all the functional proteins neccesary for life might form in one place by random events. They came up with a figure or one chance in 10^40,000. (Yes that is a googleplex to the fourth power) considering there are only about 10^80 subatomic particles in the entire visible universe, the physicists concluded that this was "an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisited of organic soup"" (Hoyle Evolution from Space pg 24).
Lol that is the odds for protein to form. Now lets look at the odds for an earth like planet capable of even supporting life.
1. A system must have a single stellar body otherwise tempuratures would vary too much. So get rid of about 67% of all star systems.
2. The planet itself must be a certain size in order to rotate properly and must a certain distance from the sun in order for tempurature ranges to stay stable. Mars is too bid and venus too small. It's approximately .83 to 1.2 solar masses, so lets say possibly 1 per solar system (that is pretty high)
3. The planet must have begun by a protoplanetary disk that is short lived otherwise planets would crash into the star too quickly so that eliminates another 50% of stars.
4. There must be no large planets like jupiter with very elipitcal orbits which would destroy smaller planets.
5. There must be some large planets with very circular orbits at the right distance in order to prevent astroids from destroying life.
6. The distance from the sun must be perfect. If the earth was 5% closer or 1% farther from the sun there would be a runaway greenhouse or runaway ice age preventing life.
7. The planets mass have about 0.85 to 1.33 or the earths mass in order to make sure that spieces aren't crushed by the gravity, yet big enough to make sure that there is water vapor.
8. There must be a moon surronding planet in order to have a stable rotation around the sun. WIthout one, jupiter would pull on earth too much and cause the orbit to be impossible to sustain life. The moon is a part of an earth and an asteroid that collided that formed a perfectly sized moon. The odds of this happening are about 1-1million.
9. The crust of the earth must be just right and must stabilize the planet for a few billion years. I will link to an article in a minute.
10. Life must exist. Kinda funny but this is not a given even on a potentially habitable planet. According to Michael Hart "The simplest known organism which is capable of indepedent existence includes about 100 different genes. For each of 100 different specific genes to be formed spontaneously in 10 billion years the probability is 1 in 10^3000. For them to be formed at the same time, and in close proximity, the probability is very much lower." (Hart 222-223)
11. The probability that a spieces hasn't died off even after it formed is also pretty low, don't have exact numbers on that right now.
12. According to NASA there are about 10^12 stars in the universe. Lets take the lenient 1 in 10^3000 odds. Divided by the numbers of stars that leaves the odds at about 10^2988. Given that this number is impossibly huge, I would bet my life for a cheesburger against those odds. In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
Off course this begs this question, well then how does life on earth exist?
[Most quotes were grabbed from the book the book Show me God http://www.amazon.com/Show-Me-God-Message-Telling/dp/1885849532 which is an excellent book if you are interested in mathematics, science, and probability in looking at the explanations of the universe.]
dude, you do know that fred heeren is an apologist, right? he is not interested in finding where evidence leads. his interest lies in demonstrating that there is a god, thus placing the conclusion before the research. you should be more careful about the kind of source/people you use to get your information from.
He speaks at astronomy conventions, participates in debates, and talks to groups that are interested in hearing more about the latest evidence for the intelligent design of our cosmos.
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking.
All of the "evidence" is distorted.
Real physicists and biologists would laugh at that. It's probably packed with quote mining.
Stuff from Dawkins that has something to do with "What The Message From Space Is Telling Us About God"?
Carl Sagan is probably facepalming really hard right now. Einstein even more so. It's funny that an atheist such as Einstein would be on the cover of a religious book.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. He just didn't believe in a personal god in the tradition of Western religions such as Christianity and Judaism. Hawking has also said explicitly that he believes that there is a god, but that the god does not actively screw around with the universe.
I would be surprised to see a quote of Hawking saying that.
I would be even more surprised to see Hawking supporting a book from an actor which pretends to know stuff he's never pretended to know =P
Why would it be surprising? Many theoretical physicists aren't atheists and believe in some sort of god. However, it is to note that these scientists generally do not believe in a personal god in the way of traditional Abrahamic beliefs. There's quite a few interviews with Hawking where this is brought up so it's pretty easy to see direct quotations from Hawking on it.
Hawking wouldn't support this book from this imbecile though. Obviously dipshits like him are going to quote out of context and falsify statements made by these prominent scientists
In essence, the likelihood of there being other life in our universe is pretty much 0.
That's pretty cute, especially since it disagrees with every science has shown us. Sorry man. Even if your math were right, you make way, WAY too many wild assumptions. A lot of it is complete BS. I could refute your points one by one but honestly they don't have any merit and are based on unscientific speculation and more importantly THE ARROGANCE of pretending you know the requirements for life to form.
PS: Your source is a religious text which aims to make humans seem more unique and important. Obviously this is part of their agenda. You've been tricked.
The book "Show Me God" is obviously pseudoscience and disinformation. I feel bad for you. There's a reason why you'll never find a real PhD scientist backing up that book and that should be a big clue for you.
Lol you haven't read the book, all of the evidence is by leading scientists, from Dawkins to Darwin to Hawking.
All of the "evidence" is distorted.
Real physicists and biologists would laugh at that. It's probably packed with quote mining.
Stuff from Dawkins that has something to do with "What The Message From Space Is Telling Us About God"?
Carl Sagan is probably facepalming really hard right now. Einstein even more so. It's funny that an atheist such as Einstein would be on the cover of a religious book.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. He just didn't believe in a personal god in the tradition of Western religions such as Christianity and Judaism. Hawking has also said explicitly that he believes that there is a god, but that the god does not actively screw around with the universe.
I would be surprised to see a quote of Hawking saying that.
I would be even more surprised to see Hawking supporting a book from an actor which pretends to know stuff he's never pretended to know =P
Why would it be surprising? Many theoretical physicists aren't atheists and believe in some sort of god. However, it is to note that these scientists generally do not believe in a personal god in the way of traditional Abrahamic beliefs. There's quite a few interviews with Hawking where this is brought up so it's pretty easy to see direct quotations from Hawking on it.
Hawking wouldn't support this book from this imbecile though. Obviously dipshits like him are going to quote out of context and falsify statements made by these prominent scientists
I would be surprised because I know quite a bit about Hawking and I've never heard that being said from him.
As for other physicist, most are atheists but it's true that some are deists =P Edit: And a handful are theists lewl
On June 28 2010 09:12 Wr3k wrote: Life in other places throughout the universe, most definitely. Little green aliens flying around getting spotted by civilians? Highly doubt it. The video looks like someone hang-gliding or parasailing at night or something.
You also have to consider that if intelligent life were to travel hundreds of lightyears to our planet, they wouldn't just poke around and take a look. They would have a better fucking reason to travel that far. i.e. to take our planet for themselves. If you are a vastly superior race (capable of travelling hundreds of lightyears) why would you even bother coming here? You would send a probe first to check the place out. If aliens actually showed up in person I would probably make the assumption that they are going to kill us and take our shit, i.e. a solar system full of resources with a habitable planet or two.
If we ever contact an extra-terrestrial species it likely wouldn't be through them observing us stealthily. More likely a situation like the movie "contact" would occur, where we receive some kind of radio transmission from them after they see our radio transmission. (which has only been leaving earth for ~70 years, so they would have to be very close to us to even hear them).
How do you know the UFOs aren't the probes? And the aliens are traveling here as we speak and will arrive thousands or millions of years from now.
I've always liked the idea that aliens are really just super advanced humans time traveling back to study history. makes more sense, and the odds are much better than all the other shit.
EPT
) but I'm not so sure I agree with you about them coming and visiting us (plus stealing people) often. I wouldn't be surprised if they have been here before but I have my doubts that they come anywhere close to as often as people claim they do.
