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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 20:19:03
June 11 2010 20:18 GMT
#1
I played a zvp on iccup a few min ago and god SC1 is still awesome.

So i'm doing fine, get hive tech n such, and then I'm only using ling ultra versus archon/zealot/temp and then reavers.

And I'm thinking, damn so many zealots, how the hell did I deal with that before?

And then at the end of the game it hits me - there are lurkers in this game.

I was so used to SC2 I was just building lings, mutas, hydras, ultras and devourers lol. LURRKEERRRRRR

anyone find themselves doing things like this after playing a few SC1 games after the SC2 beta phase 1?

***
Sup
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 20:25:42
June 11 2010 20:23 GMT
#2
On June 12 2010 05:18 avilo wrote:
I played a zvp on iccup a few min ago and god SC1 is still awesome.

So i'm doing fine, get hive tech n such, and then I'm only using ling ultra versus archon/zealot/temp and then reavers.

And I'm thinking, damn so many zealots, how the hell did I deal with that before?

And then at the end of the game it hits me - there are lurkers in this game.

I was so used to SC2 I was just building lings, mutas, hydras, ultras and devourers lol. LURRKEERRRRRR

anyone find themselves doing things like this after playing a few SC1 games after the SC2 beta phase 1?

You use Devourers vP? You're a lot braver than I am.
Edit:
On June 12 2010 05:24 Latham wrote:
I keep hitting "v" to make overlords and I just cant get used to probes and pylons being "p" >
Also, everytime I go back to a hatch, I expect to find at least 4-5-6 larvae waiting there instead of 3...

I do all of these Especially the larva thing, 'cuz my macro's terrible.
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
June 11 2010 20:24 GMT
#3
i forgot about lurkers so i was playing with zealots and corsairs and then WTF i cant hit that shit
i dunno lol
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9571 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 20:25:10
June 11 2010 20:24 GMT
#4
I keep hitting "v" to make overlords and I just cant get used to probes and pylons being "p" >: (
Also, everytime I go back to a hatch, I expect to find at least 4-5-6 larvae waiting there instead of 3...
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
June 11 2010 20:26 GMT
#5
I keep hitting o once to make 1 overlord, then i end up making 3.
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9571 Posts
June 11 2010 20:27 GMT
#6
On June 12 2010 05:26 AssuredVacancy wrote:
I keep hitting o once to make 1 overlord, then i end up making 3.


Haha, yeah that too. So used to having to hit 1 key for 1 larvae to use, that you're absolutely stunned that 3 overlords were just made.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 20:29:59
June 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#7
On June 12 2010 05:24 Latham wrote:
I keep hitting "v" to make overlords and I just cant get used to probes and pylons being "p" >: (
Also, everytime I go back to a hatch, I expect to find at least 4-5-6 larvae waiting there instead of 3...


omg i keep doing this too lofl. Then I click "O" and am like FUCK I just built 3 at once @_@

On June 12 2010 05:26 AssuredVacancy wrote:
I keep hitting o once to make 1 overlord, then i end up making 3.


I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

On June 12 2010 05:23 MutaDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 05:18 avilo wrote:
I played a zvp on iccup a few min ago and god SC1 is still awesome.

So i'm doing fine, get hive tech n such, and then I'm only using ling ultra versus archon/zealot/temp and then reavers.

And I'm thinking, damn so many zealots, how the hell did I deal with that before?

And then at the end of the game it hits me - there are lurkers in this game.

I was so used to SC2 I was just building lings, mutas, hydras, ultras and devourers lol. LURRKEERRRRRR

anyone find themselves doing things like this after playing a few SC1 games after the SC2 beta phase 1?

You use Devourers vP? You're a lot braver than I am.
Edit:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 05:24 Latham wrote:
I keep hitting "v" to make overlords and I just cant get used to probes and pylons being "p" >
Also, everytime I go back to a hatch, I expect to find at least 4-5-6 larvae waiting there instead of 3...

I do all of these Especially the larva thing, 'cuz my macro's terrible.


+3 armor devourers have always raped sairs it went to late game and he was starting to mass em, so I got some devourer.
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2529 Posts
June 11 2010 20:31 GMT
#8
In my first game back to sc1, I kept using "v" for overlord. This resulted in me being stuck at 18/18 for about 2 minutes. When I realized what was going on, I corrected the hotkey, but I forgot that the smart larvae system is gone, so I made 3 overlords instead of 1. Went from 18/18 to 18/42 I think.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
June 11 2010 20:31 GMT
#9
1. I kept freaking out because the building outline doesn't show when a worker is moving to build something.
2. I kept grabbing multiple Drones to build a single building.
3. I was appalled at the until AI. One unit was attacking while 4-5 ran back and forth.
4. I tried to select a screen full of units.
5. I can't stack Mutas well anymore.
6. I tried to unload with D.
7. I tried to make an Overlord with V.
8. I tried to press ctrl+f1.

I'm broken at this game now.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
June 11 2010 20:43 GMT
#10
yea, I did all of the things you did chill lol
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 11 2010 20:44 GMT
#11
Weird I'm playing pretty much like I used to (just a tad worse) but my macro seems to be better for some reason its just my micro that blows compared to before, my muta micro is sooo shitty now once I get that back to where that was I'll get to C/C+ np .
When I think of something else, something will go here
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
June 11 2010 21:03 GMT
#12
I lost a TvP

Wait I always lost those anyway. Life continues on.~~
@KawaiiRiceLighT
CosmicAC
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States238 Posts
June 11 2010 21:41 GMT
#13
On June 12 2010 05:26 AssuredVacancy wrote:
I keep hitting o once to make 1 overlord, then i end up making 3.


Man.. the first game i played after the beta went down as zerg i literally lost because i was at like 30/80 pop or something stupid like that because every singel time i built 3 overlords.
To follow the path: look to the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see through the master, become the master.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24764 Posts
June 11 2010 21:56 GMT
#14
Haha. I haven't played bw once since sc2 because I was afraid of this problem :p
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
June 11 2010 22:29 GMT
#15
Yeah but how sweet is it to have scourge back in your life? Didn't realize how badly I missed the little fellas...
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
June 11 2010 22:38 GMT
#16
I racked up 1200 minerals and went for mutas vs Protoss. In one game.
133 221 333 123 111
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 11 2010 23:01 GMT
#17
My mechanics are so bad right now T.T
The apm is still similar but it is extremely sloppy at all times. I just throw production facilities everywhere and it's such a pain to macro. Half my gateways are nicely bunched and the other half surround the perimeter of my base. I'm actually having a hard time with D+...
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 23:04:20
June 11 2010 23:03 GMT
#18
On June 12 2010 05:31 Chill wrote:
1. I kept freaking out because the building outline doesn't show when a worker is moving to build something.
2. I kept grabbing multiple Drones to build a single building.
3. I was appalled at the until AI. One unit was attacking while 4-5 ran back and forth.
4. I tried to select a screen full of units.
5. I can't stack Mutas well anymore.
6. I tried to unload with D.
7. I tried to make an Overlord with V.
8. I tried to press ctrl+f1.

I'm broken at this game now.

9. I waste all my storms in one location because no smart casting.
10. I try to stim my marines when grouped with medics + tanks + vessels
11. I try to go hydras against mnm.
12. I try to hold alt to locate low HP enemy units.
13. I get ghosts to EMP Protoss.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 23:22:16
June 11 2010 23:22 GMT
#19
On June 12 2010 06:03 KawaiiRice wrote:
I lost a TvP

Wait I always lost those anyway. Life continues on.~~


KawaiiRice mod: asdf?
KawaiiRice mod: tada.
KawaiiRice mod: now NOBODY CAN TROLL ME
KawaiiRice mod: WUT.
KawaiiRice mod: t('.'t)
KawaiiRice mod: eat shit protoss newbies


:DD
Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.
On topic:
1. Trying to build multiple buildings with shift
2. "E" instead of "P" as protoss
3. Hitting hotkey for obs when I have only robotics facility
The list goes on. :DD
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
June 12 2010 00:02 GMT
#20
Wow, what the fuck happened.

My muta micro has just gone down the drain completely. My mouse settings are so fucked up, its hyper sensitive because i did a bunch of changes to it for sc2 and i dont feel like messing with it again. I keep building 3 overlords instead of 1, units are retarded when attacking and moving.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
June 12 2010 00:04 GMT
#21
whenever I play terran I still try to build addons with x and scanner with o =D
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
June 12 2010 00:23 GMT
#22
I play too much starcraft. No.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 12 2010 00:28 GMT
#23
On June 12 2010 08:03 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 05:31 Chill wrote:
1. I kept freaking out because the building outline doesn't show when a worker is moving to build something.
2. I kept grabbing multiple Drones to build a single building.
3. I was appalled at the until AI. One unit was attacking while 4-5 ran back and forth.
4. I tried to select a screen full of units.
5. I can't stack Mutas well anymore.
6. I tried to unload with D.
7. I tried to make an Overlord with V.
8. I tried to press ctrl+f1.

I'm broken at this game now.

9. I waste all my storms in one location because no smart casting.
10. I try to stim my marines when grouped with medics + tanks + vessels
11. I try to go hydras against mnm.
12. I try to hold alt to locate low HP enemy units.
13. I get ghosts to EMP Protoss.


14. Siege tanks cannot take on dragoons while unsieged.
15. Overlords take forever to build
Hallucination
Profile Joined May 2010
United States249 Posts
June 12 2010 00:46 GMT
#24
Just played an iccup game yesterday.

Do you realize how crappy dragoon AI is? -.-x

had half of them crossing the ramp, other half going around the cliff.

:X

come back sc2
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 12 2010 01:40 GMT
#25
I kept spamming e for Probes, and for some reason they never built. Same thing with pylons
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
rwan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada68 Posts
June 12 2010 02:50 GMT
#26
Lol I'll never forget about Lurkers. When I think BW I think Lurkers and how awesome they are. Ohhhh Broodwar, you always make me feel good. :D
...But the parasites say NO!
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9797 Posts
June 12 2010 03:08 GMT
#27
HA! I'm playing only slightly worse than usualy purely because of micro problems, bad macro, or shitty timings as usual. Oh wait thats just about everything isnt it...
boomer hands
wiseman500
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States29 Posts
June 12 2010 03:19 GMT
#28
Never really got into the beta (didn't get a key -_-) so this wasn't a problem for me lol... I can see why it'd throw you though.
Going in circles.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 03:59:00
June 12 2010 03:30 GMT
#29
On June 12 2010 05:31 Chill wrote:
1. I kept freaking out because the building outline doesn't show when a worker is moving to build something.
2. I kept grabbing multiple Drones to build a single building.
3. I was appalled at the until AI. One unit was attacking while 4-5 ran back and forth.
4. I tried to select a screen full of units.
5. I can't stack Mutas well anymore.
6. I tried to unload with D.
7. I tried to make an Overlord with V.
8. I tried to press ctrl+f1.

I'm broken at this game now.

Don't worry Chill, just do what I did! Re-Read every single guide to star craft 1 you've written/read in your entire career of SC. Specifically the recommended guides and liquipedia!

edit: O and, I got my APM to go up to a max of 65 on the BWchart after switching and got my average to raise too! So SCII switch back to SCI helped me =)

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(Warning: may contain way too much gloat lol) I am even better at cheesing and killed some kid with a 5pylon 5 gate rush against his standard 1gate goon(I knew the build and if it weren't for my zeals starting to kill his pylon powering his gate he would have gone to 2 gate goon, which would've killed me) I posted the rep on repdepot earlier so I'll search for it soon but anyways... ya I won because I started rallying to a place somewhat hidden from his choke and tried to hide 2 zeals to backstab his base with while he pushed into my zeals rallying to his base but he killed one of them and never saw the other so he kept pushing out and I got to destroy his economy with 1 zeal(he got like 5-6 probe kills!!!!) and destroy his goons with the rest of my zeals.

I really don't get why you guys are having so much trouble with the switch lol.


edit3: I'm playing this and SC during the break from SCII! I'm also constently sending blizz letters about how they should make better desicions during my discouraged free time(Just lost to cpu campaign of Wesnoth/ just lost to 3 hackers on b.net#1.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
sl
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada239 Posts
June 12 2010 04:51 GMT
#30
When I first read the thread title, I was like "What? Lurkers don't post, of course you forget about them...-OWAIT"

...Yeah.
zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
June 12 2010 04:59 GMT
#31
Ugh moving to SC1 was a big dissapoint all over. I was so bad on iCCup!

But I got tons of tips and op irc is looking very lively again <3
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
June 12 2010 15:48 GMT
#32
I'm terrible at SC1 now. ( I was D to D+, but now i'm probably low D- now LOL )
1. I always have idle scvs in the beginning of the game because i expect them to automine.
2. I freak out when i can't select more than 1 building. ( I am much more prone to frustration when i have to set a rally point for each factory individually.)
3. I try to select more than 12 units. And then remember it's SC1 2 minutes later.
4. When i press to build an add on, i expect it to auto build without you telling it where to build it.

SC2 has lowered my skill considerably. =(
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