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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:43 ella_guru wrote: Hah yea, it treats me pretty good and I give it a back rub once in a while. Are you from there by chance? Yeah I live here most recently, really enjoy it. Edit: spelling :/ | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:46 Inkarnate wrote: Yeah I live here most recently, really enjoy it. Edit: spelling :/ read this : http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130595 Where have you been, hah. Don't want to derail so I will pm.. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 12 2010 04:18 Piy wrote: Is 7 hours actually enough to play to a professional classical level? Anytime we here stories of so and so doing some insane number of hours a day its just that. For a few days, or on and off. People very , very very rarely sustain high level practice schedules. It's the consistency (at least for me) that yields the big results. I already have a considerable time investment thus far, plus another year of school, then the proposed 3 years of this lifestyle. I think a big plus is that we rarely (if ever? never to my knowledge) have seen this sort of group mentality applied to music. I have lived with him before, and the amount of ideas and knowledge you gain just by bouncing ideas and being critiqued by someone else on a daily basis is very very substantial. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:20 ella_guru wrote: But again, in the OP I mention that what I find fun about doing something is doing it well. It's no fun if you can only see a half assed version of your ability shine. That's why you don't play BW! I can't really imagine this lifestyle, so I can't really give any useful comments, but do you guys have enough money/income to sustain that lifestyle for 3+ years? Are you basically gonna be working shitty jobs to help pay rent, or is the teaching good, reliable and steady enough? If you can live happily off of doing something awesome for income WHILE doing something awesome in your free time, that would be really cool On June 12 2010 01:32 ella_guru wrote: Though I wonder what you mean by "fail" . How can this plan "fail" and what are the bad consequences?I'm Not being interrogative or aggressive, I just can't come up with an answer on my own. It seems like to not commit to your projects or tasks is a much more surefire way to fail. You could argue the "all your eggs in one basket" type of thing, but the mindset you gain from this sort of thing is a very valuable trait. If a year and a half from now, your friend or you suddenly goes "Nah this isn't for me" and walks, that may be considered a failure. Or if something really bad happens and you/your friend gets into an accident. Or maybe after a few years of living together, you start to not be able to stand each other. It seems your plan relies on both you AND your friend to be fully on board for the entire ride, so it seems twice as likely for this to fail. As for the consequences, I'm not really sure. If this doesn't quite work out, do you have a backup plan? If you would be happy teaching guitar for the rest of your life, that may be a fine thing to fall back on, but if you want to do something more, do you have a way to do that if this whole thing doesn't work out? I don't want this to sound too much like "This isn't gonna work, let's think of every possible way this can fail," but I hope you got some fallback plan in case something does happen I hope this all works out in the end. Good luck, and you better post a guitar cover of the Terran theme on TL | ||
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Slipgoon
Sweden390 Posts
And if you really get a good routine with progaming hours, the initial skill improvement should be one of the greatest feelings. (i would imagine) How about some vids of you shredding? and some later... | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 12 2010 05:02 Purind wrote: That's why you don't play BW! I can't really imagine this lifestyle, so I can't really give any useful comments, but do you guys have enough money/income to sustain that lifestyle for 3+ years? Are you basically gonna be working shitty jobs to help pay rent, or is the teaching good, reliable and steady enough? If you can live happily off of doing something awesome for income WHILE doing something awesome in your free time, that would be really cool If a year and a half from now, your friend or you suddenly goes "Nah this isn't for me" and walks, that may be considered a failure. Or if something really bad happens and you/your friend gets into an accident. Or maybe after a few years of living together, you start to not be able to stand each other. It seems your plan relies on both you AND your friend to be fully on board for the entire ride, so it seems twice as likely for this to fail. As for the consequences, I'm not really sure. If this doesn't quite work out, do you have a backup plan? If you would be happy teaching guitar for the rest of your life, that may be a fine thing to fall back on, but if you want to do something more, do you have a way to do that if this whole thing doesn't work out? I don't want this to sound too much like "This isn't gonna work, let's think of every possible way this can fail," but I hope you got some fallback plan in case something does happen I hope this all works out in the end. Good luck, and you better post a guitar cover of the Terran theme on TL Los Los Los! Well I think an accident can't be considered a failure in anything. I mean, if I get hit by a bus, that sucks no matter how I was living life. So scratch that. You'll have to trust my relationship with my friend as much as I do. But lets say it DOES happen. Well, he'd have to wait for the end of the lease (ha) . I'd just move out and on my own. By that point I would have banked 2 yrs practice, or WORST case (unfathomable though...) 1 year. That's just that much more quality play time I wouldnt have had in 'normal' living conditions. There is only gain here. I dig, you are just being realistic. But any person wishing to be very skilled at one thing knows that a fall back plan will quickly turn into the reality . Everyone I know who had a fall back has taken it, because they get tempted then get stuck. It takes a certain amount of stubbornness to pursue something that might leave you in a rough financial situation (lets say I ending not being skilled enough ) . How would my life turn out if all this practice doesn't amount to anything "substantial", or the things I'm shooting for ? Best case, I just keep floating on , playing and teaching where the girls are pretty and the rent is cheap until my hands don't work. Worst case uh.... See "The wedding singer" Adam Sandler, I guess , hahaha. But yea the teaching and gigging would be enough in pretty much any major city. We are both fine with doing a 1 bedroom but we could support a 2 bedroom, or something bigger not downtown. Tentative Schedule 8-12 AM practice 12-4 teach for an hour or 2 or none, eat 4-7 practice 7-11 profit? hah. Economics Say we each had 2 students for 4 / 7 days That's 60 bucks a day times 4 days a week times 4 weeks a month = 960 X 2 = 1920 Rent for a 2 bdrm downtown is 1200, bills say 150 a month , leaving 550 to eat for 2 people a month, easy. There would be leisure money sure, but with less time to kill, less money to waste unimportant stuff. That income is not including any one offs like weddings or things like that ,which can pay anywhere from 100-500 for 15 minutes to 4 hours. And like I said, what's to lose ? What is anyone else doing 3 yrs after they graduate? On June 12 2010 05:04 Slipgoon wrote: Damn thats really inspiring man, would def do it if I had the money. And if you really get a good routine with progaming hours, the initial skill improvement should be one of the greatest feelings. (i would imagine) How about some vids of you shredding? and some later... I don't really _shred_ much anymore, but this piece I wrote is dedicated to NaDa (yes the starcraft player ) and is pretty flashy. I played it at my recital last year. My hands were cold but its still cool It won't be opulent , but it is reminiscent of how Boxer started Pro Starcraft . Just living in a house chipping in to make it work. Basically, things like this are out there waiting for us, but you have to meet them halfway. You have to invite them, not wait for the phone call to come to the party. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:26 Etherone wrote: what a cop out. it isn't because of your Asian background. You chose to accept this mindset, and you yourself decided to prioritize money over anything else in this world. ok, i generalized a little too much, MY asian background. | ||
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
Do you have a backup plan, if you like, run out of money or something? | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
http://www.space.com/news/record-setting-mock-mars-mission-begins-100603.html  You're very good dude. Best of luck to you and your buddies. That would be a cool name for your 3 year experience... Mission to Mars. Imagine yourself in your 30's laughing it up with your buddies about the mars mission, amazed that you where ever so young and strong to ever even attempt such a thing. Image the cautious, probing stares of the people around you as they try to decipher what the mission to mars actually was, or is. Imagine the smug smile you could wear as you let your memories wander.Definitely name it the Mission to Mars. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
I like your plan and I think the fact that this is your major and future profession fits in well with such a practice heavy schedule. I hope you can keep it up. I think the most difficult thing is to keep these kinds of plans sustained. Even if you can keep this up for a month I think you might be able to call it a success. | ||
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patrickpower
Canada1 Post
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On June 12 2010 12:40 patrickpower wrote: This will clearly work. It might actually. Reminds me very much of the idea of forming a mastermind group, except more intense. If it doesn't succeed the first time, you can try again with tweaks here and there - more roommates, different hours, etc. Try to eliminate all of your distractions while you're at it - SC/TL, videogames, etc., so you don't just become roommates-that-play-guitar-occasionally. Remember that your primary reason for living together is because you have a similar goals and interests, and you want to make progress towards them. As for SC comparisons, I'm willing to say that if you can understand the process in training for SC you can apply it anywhere else. Practicing mechanics has a significant similarity between SC and music; for a scientist it's more like maintaining your equipment and doing dry-runs of your procedure to make sure it works properly, etc. I used to think this analogy was pretty cheesy, but once I started to actually apply myself to learning SC I came back with some more knowledge on how to learn overall, and that information is valuable. Strange how it works like that. | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
@ TimmyMac Ty for the support . It's refreshing to see some genuine support. Like I mentioned, a back up plan isn't viable. This _has_ to work. @ Lexpar haha that link is crazy. I like the idea of naming the experiment. Thank you for the compliment on my playing. (Your writing style is pleasant, btw) @Lac29 30 bucks an hours unless there is travel time or more than one student in the lesson. Strictly craigslist, Kijiji, and word of mouth helps a lot. It's a crazy lazy world we live in. Thanks a lot for the positive attitude as well. Our thinking seems to be the same. There's no 'losing' when it comes to personal bettering. I think the really secret to this sort of thing is not doing it alone. Progamers just simply couldn't have such a rigorous lifestyle without the constant support of each other. It's like taking a positive spin on cult - like mentality ... Hey, if everyone else is doing it, I better do it too! hah. @D3 Yea we won't be distracted but I dig your concerns. I like the idea of tweaking things as they go. I think Nikola Tesla said something with the meaning of "The only experiments worth doing are those you conceive and the only patient willing to be tested is yourself" | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
On June 12 2010 01:32 ella_guru wrote: I teach guitar and perform for money. It's how I live (meagerly and happily) right now and is not very time consuming at all. Though I wonder what you mean by "fail" . How can this plan "fail" and what are the bad consequences?I'm Not being interrogative or aggressive, I just can't come up with an answer on my own. It seems like to not commit to your projects or tasks is a much more surefire way to fail. You could argue the "all your eggs in one basket" type of thing, but the mindset you gain from this sort of thing is a very valuable trait. 1) as mentioned in the edit, the ability to teach/perform for money even if you don't significantly improve is not necessarily available in other fields. 2) mostly what I meant was the all your eggs in one basket things. if you can be happy for the rest of your life teaching and performing guitar for money then I am jealous of your situation. if eventually you can't be happy doing just that you might find your job options limited regardless of whatever you learned from the experience. good luck though! | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On June 12 2010 02:42 Failsafe wrote: Every player's performance seems to drop starting around age 20 and fall off into oblivion shortly after. Maybe it's burn out. Maybe it's the path of the night. Maybe it's simply something that happens as you age. Yeah, when you get older you have no *time*. It's easy when you're in school and either living with your parents or in a dorm. You have all the time in the world. It's easier to get those 10k hours in to perfect a craft. You do not have that luxury once you're out in the real world. This is why people have mid-life crisis's. They realize that their path in life is basically set and there's not much they can do to change course and master a new craft. I've slowly come to this realization as I reach mid-life (I'm 35, a grandpa in SC years). Thankfully I picked things to master in my life that I really enjoy (drumming, web design, computer programming, gaming, bowling). To the OP, I say go for it. NOW IS THE TIME. My main advice (as someone who has been playing an instrument myself for 25 years now) would be to make sure you keep pushing yourself to learn new things. It's so easy to get in the same habits playing the same things as a musician. All that gets you is being able to play the same stuff better. It doesn't help you refine your overall skill set. Challenge yourself, talk to other guitarists, learn from other musicians (even non guitarists). If you want to be world class it's not just about playing guitar. You should also spend your time writing and composing your own music for example (on paper, not just playing). Or trying things that will help you in other ways. For example, learning basic piano or even drumming can help both your figure coordination as well as your limb coordination and make you understand rhythm in general better (after all you're technically playing a rhythm instrument). This was my main downfall when I was younger. I started learning everything, and challenged myself at first but then got complacent. There was a good 4 year period where I didn't really learn much of anything, I just got better at what I already knew. This hindered me later as I finally expanded out again because some of the habits I learned weren't always good and I kept finding myself going back to the familiar grooves I always played. It took a considerable amount of effort to break out of this pattern, but I'm a better drummer now for it. I'm always cognizant of this now as I continue to learn and expand my playing abilities. Anyway, as I said, you've picked a good time to try this. You probably won't have another opportunity like this in your life, so it's now or never. | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
Sometimes I get embarrassed that I have this great opportunity and tool for expression yet I play like I think I _know_ the instrument. There is so many possibilities that I know I have to keep digging. It's great to hear the perspective of someone older, as oddly enough, people around my age seem to be a lot more "pragmatic" than older people. They all race to be looked at as "adults" and realize that is an empty title. Life experience is what makes you an elder..... | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On June 13 2010 08:25 ella_guru wrote: ^ This is really great stuff! I will go pick up a drumming rudiments book ASAP and start learning new shit. Sometimes I get embarrassed that I have this great opportunity and tool for expression yet I play like I think I _know_ the instrument. There is so many possibilities that I know I have to keep digging. It's great to hear the perspective of someone older, as oddly enough, people around my age seem to be a lot more "pragmatic" than older people. They all race to be looked at as "adults" and realize that is an empty title. Life experience is what makes you an elder..... There was a time, many moons ago when I felt I knew so much about drumming, as if I had *made* it. In reality, this is about the point where you are probably only midway through what you actually could become. IE, if you think you really know your instrument, you don't know shit yet. Anyone who is actually a master at their given field will be the first to tell you "The more I learn, the less I feel I actually know". This is because possibilities are simply endless, and for whatever reason it takes a while for a person to see them all. It's both amazingly rewarding ("I see the path!") and humbling ("holy crap that path looks impossible, and there's 10,000 of them!"). As for an elder's perspective, being pragmatic is not just for younger people. Older people are pragmatic too, just about different things, namely the things that they have to worry about at their age (for me it's kids, home ownership, and middle management). But when you are able to reflect back to a previous time in your life, it's easier to see the realities of the situation in ways that those in it cannot. I used to get annoyed when my mother would tell me to enjoy High School and College because it would be the best time of my life, but in the end she was right. It may not have been always the best time, but it is certainly the most unique time in a person's life and one you do not get to do ever again. | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 13 2010 09:15 vesicular wrote: There was a time, many moons ago when I felt I knew so much about drumming, as if I had *made* it. In reality, this is about the point where you are probably only midway through what you actually could become. IE, if you think you really know your instrument, you don't know shit yet. Anyone who is actually a master at their given field will be the first to tell you "The more I learn, the less I feel I actually know". This is because possibilities are simply endless, and for whatever reason it takes a while for a person to see them all. It's both amazingly rewarding ("I see the path!") and humbling ("holy crap that path looks impossible, and there's 10,000 of them!"). As for an elder's perspective, being pragmatic is not just for younger people. Older people are pragmatic too, just about different things, namely the things that they have to worry about at their age (for me it's kids, home ownership, and middle management). But when you are able to reflect back to a previous time in your life, it's easier to see the realities of the situation in ways that those in it cannot. I used to get annoyed when my mother would tell me to enjoy High School and College because it would be the best time of my life, but in the end she was right. It may not have been always the best time, but it is certainly the most unique time in a person's life and one you do not get to do ever again. You're like a rarity on TL for being not 20 , haha. Diamond in the rough. Well I'm aware that older people are very pragmatic too, but you'd expect the young ones to be "follow your dreams", and then someone comes up with a plan to work hard to achieve their dream instead of just dicking around and they poke holes that dont even make sense. I talked to my friend about some of your advice and were both really on the level with what you're talking about. We will be sure to work hard and always look for the next level to go to. Promise If I make any earnings from competition I will sponsor a small event on TL | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Don't listen to the people that tell you to spend your time doing X or you are better off doing Y Go for it. Give it a shot. Worst case scenario you tried something and failed. THAT is valuable as a life lesson as well. If there is anything you need help with let me know, I'd love to support further. GL! | ||
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