• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:26
CEST 13:26
KST 20:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting6[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)76Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting The New Patch Killed Mech! Ladder Impersonation (only maybe)
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW caster Sayle BW General Discussion Map with fog of war removed for one player? Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw After 20 seasons we have a lot of great maps
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Semifinal B SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1210 users

Returning to SC1

Blogs > Salv
Post a Reply
Normal
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 09 2010 03:57 GMT
#1
Seeing as how the SC II beta has gone away for a little away, there is a gap now where one's Starcraft fix can only be Brood War. I was thinking today whether I should go back and play some iCCup, just as something to do, and the following thoughts came to me:
  • Now that I haven't touched SC BW in months and months, and I had replaced it with SC II, Brood War feels fresh. The thought of logging on and playing seems like it would like playing a new game entirely.
  • I can't explain it exactly, but I feel like I am a different RTS player after playing SC II, as if playing SC II has changed the way I think through out the game. This relates to my first point, where the thought of playing again seems fresh.
  • I personally, and I know others feel the same, feel like they are better after coming back from a long lay-off, like their ceiling has grown and that there is more potential there.

I can easily say that I wouldn't be staying with BW when SC II comes out, (unless they fix NO issues with B.net 2.0, in which case I am boycotting it) but I get the feeling that going back to SC 1 would be like a new experience.

Similar feelings amongst any one? Opposite feelings maybe?

***
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
June 09 2010 03:58 GMT
#2
Salv, I feel like pancakes.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 04:02:30
June 09 2010 04:01 GMT
#3
Let's play Salv, why aren't you on vent. I'm really wanting some BW soon! Btw I'm going to east coast soon... can't play anymore Borderlands unless you dudes get on! (I have finals this week but I don't have any borderline grades so basically I have half-days all week)
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 04:11:24
June 09 2010 04:09 GMT
#4
I felt like you, then I played a few games and changed my mind, I've already recorded my thoughts (from another thread, kind of long):

+ Show Spoiler +
I'll keep this short, because a post like this is not worthy of a long tirade. During SC2 beta I was able to play at a high level fairly quickly, and noticed my apm was reaching an average of 180 in my solo games where I put in some effort. Apm is not measured to actual game speed in SC2, so its safe to assume my actual apm was 200-220 apm. In Warcraft 3, I was a pretty low apm player, 160-180 usually. In Starcraft: Brood War was more around 140-160.

It kind of let me confused how I could be so bad at Brood War STILL after almost 2 years of "casual" play when I was able to get to upper echelon ability in SC2 with no effort. Yea, SC2 is ez mode but why can't I use all my apm to conquer BW's "high skill ceiling." Should Single Building Selection and Lack of AutoMine really make that much of a difference?

No, it's because of everything BUT that. I tried playing the game again the last few days and was reminded why the game can be so difficult, because the ability to gain skill is not limited by your mechanical ability, your strategical ability, or anything in between. It's limited by your ability to overcome the horrendous AI and BUGS that plague it. Since some of you have bad memory's, I'm going to list all the @@*! that happens in less than 10 games that reduce my apm from 200 to 140. This was everything I encountered in just 6 games. SIX GAMES WTF.

1) Rebound clicking too slow, command doesn't get issued
2) Money spent AFTER construction, not when issued
3) Dragoons not attacking when animation cool down is reached
4) Dragoons not moving at all
5) Dragoons not caring you want them to unbug while spamming H or S
6) Dragoon pathing
7) All unit pathing
8) Worker pathing
9) Archon not moving where I tell it to
10) Archon jumping through minerals
11) Reavers on attack move running striaght into cannons
12) Reavers shooting duds
13) Reavers not even attacking with 6 lings in front of them and full clip of scarabs
14) @@*! randomly missing YES ALL UNITS HAVE RANDOM CHANCE TO MISS WHEN NOT EVEN NEAR A HIGH GROUND APPARENTLY
15) Iccup decides not to give lan latency even tho everyone has antihack
16) People dropping every game on iccup
17) Only south americans ever online on iccup, they LAG
18) Units getting stuck when they come out of gateways
19) SCVS being in your way when you want to build
20) Having to wait an hour for ur damn probe to build a pylon. You want to warp in 2 pylons or multiple gateways? Wait 5 seconds for each command after you tell it to warp one in if you want any organization.

Example of why am I a bad terrible C- Protoss:

You have 14 goons you want to move down a ramp. You right click the area near your natural. Suddenly one of them bugs on your ramp, You press H on it then tell it to move down the ramp. The rest of your goons are all of your base now running in circles. You tell them to go back down but one of the ones you grouped before is coming back up, you try to send it away but its bugging out and they're all bugging out and u want them to just go down your god damn ramp. But more goons are coming out of ur gatways that u swear were placed perfect and then they bug out the goons even more trying to get somewhere the other goons want to get to and they have AI bugging war unless they're already stuck between your buildings. There's 40 seconds of you clicking your goons all over the place. Then a ton of lings pour in and u cant even micro your goons cuz of 250 ms delay and half of them arent even attacking cuz Iccup doesnt even want to give u latency even tho u both have Antihack after u move them back and ur reaver decides to just walk around instead of shooting at anything even though u told it to attack move. So yea u 1a2a3a but u didnt left go of left click before u pressed 3a so group 2 of ur goons arent even attacking and everything else is bugging everywhere going bonkers. Well theres 140 seconds of you trying to micro your units and NOTHING working and you did manage to hit your macro cycles. Then the game freezes cuz ur using Windows 7.
Kwidowmaker
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada978 Posts
June 09 2010 04:25 GMT
#5
On June 09 2010 13:09 PokePill wrote:
I felt like you, then I played a few games and changed my mind, I've already recorded my thoughts (from another thread, kind of long):

+ Show Spoiler +
I'll keep this short, because a post like this is not worthy of a long tirade. During SC2 beta I was able to play at a high level fairly quickly, and noticed my apm was reaching an average of 180 in my solo games where I put in some effort. Apm is not measured to actual game speed in SC2, so its safe to assume my actual apm was 200-220 apm. In Warcraft 3, I was a pretty low apm player, 160-180 usually. In Starcraft: Brood War was more around 140-160.

It kind of let me confused how I could be so bad at Brood War STILL after almost 2 years of "casual" play when I was able to get to upper echelon ability in SC2 with no effort. Yea, SC2 is ez mode but why can't I use all my apm to conquer BW's "high skill ceiling." Should Single Building Selection and Lack of AutoMine really make that much of a difference?

No, it's because of everything BUT that. I tried playing the game again the last few days and was reminded why the game can be so difficult, because the ability to gain skill is not limited by your mechanical ability, your strategical ability, or anything in between. It's limited by your ability to overcome the horrendous AI and BUGS that plague it. Since some of you have bad memory's, I'm going to list all the @@*! that happens in less than 10 games that reduce my apm from 200 to 140. This was everything I encountered in just 6 games. SIX GAMES WTF.

1) Rebound clicking too slow, command doesn't get issued
2) Money spent AFTER construction, not when issued
3) Dragoons not attacking when animation cool down is reached
4) Dragoons not moving at all
5) Dragoons not caring you want them to unbug while spamming H or S
6) Dragoon pathing
7) All unit pathing
8) Worker pathing
9) Archon not moving where I tell it to
10) Archon jumping through minerals
11) Reavers on attack move running striaght into cannons
12) Reavers shooting duds
13) Reavers not even attacking with 6 lings in front of them and full clip of scarabs
14) @@*! randomly missing YES ALL UNITS HAVE RANDOM CHANCE TO MISS WHEN NOT EVEN NEAR A HIGH GROUND APPARENTLY
15) Iccup decides not to give lan latency even tho everyone has antihack
16) People dropping every game on iccup
17) Only south americans ever online on iccup, they LAG
18) Units getting stuck when they come out of gateways
19) SCVS being in your way when you want to build
20) Having to wait an hour for ur damn probe to build a pylon. You want to warp in 2 pylons or multiple gateways? Wait 5 seconds for each command after you tell it to warp one in if you want any organization.

Example of why am I a bad terrible C- Protoss:

You have 14 goons you want to move down a ramp. You right click the area near your natural. Suddenly one of them bugs on your ramp, You press H on it then tell it to move down the ramp. The rest of your goons are all of your base now running in circles. You tell them to go back down but one of the ones you grouped before is coming back up, you try to send it away but its bugging out and they're all bugging out and u want them to just go down your god damn ramp. But more goons are coming out of ur gatways that u swear were placed perfect and then they bug out the goons even more trying to get somewhere the other goons want to get to and they have AI bugging war unless they're already stuck between your buildings. There's 40 seconds of you clicking your goons all over the place. Then a ton of lings pour in and u cant even micro your goons cuz of 250 ms delay and half of them arent even attacking cuz Iccup doesnt even want to give u latency even tho u both have Antihack after u move them back and ur reaver decides to just walk around instead of shooting at anything even though u told it to attack move. So yea u 1a2a3a but u didnt left go of left click before u pressed 3a so group 2 of ur goons arent even attacking and everything else is bugging everywhere going bonkers. Well theres 140 seconds of you trying to micro your units and NOTHING working and you did manage to hit your macro cycles. Then the game freezes cuz ur using Windows 7.


Weird, I often consider SCBW to be the pinnacle of good UI. Ignoring all the limitations it's plagued with, it just feels right when I played
Kk.
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
June 09 2010 04:27 GMT
#6
On June 09 2010 13:09 PokePill wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
You have 14 goons you want to move down a ramp. You right click the area near your natural. Suddenly one of them bugs on your ramp, You press H on it then tell it to move down the ramp. The rest of your goons are all of your base now running in circles. You tell them to go back down but one of the ones you grouped before is coming back up, you try to send it away but its bugging out and they're all bugging out and u want them to just go down your god damn ramp. But more goons are coming out of ur gatways that u swear were placed perfect and then they bug out the goons even more trying to get somewhere the other goons want to get to and they have AI bugging war unless they're already stuck between your buildings. There's 40 seconds of you clicking your goons all over the place. Then a ton of lings pour in and u cant even micro your goons cuz of 250 ms delay and half of them arent even attacking cuz Iccup doesnt even want to give u latency even tho u both have Antihack after u move them back and ur reaver decides to just walk around instead of shooting at anything even though u told it to attack move. So yea u 1a2a3a but u didnt left go of left click before u pressed 3a so group 2 of ur goons arent even attacking and everything else is bugging everywhere going bonkers. Well theres 140 seconds of you trying to micro your units and NOTHING working and you did manage to hit your macro cycles. Then the game freezes cuz ur using Windows 7.


lol soooooo true. I've played 10 or so games in the last week or so and of all the things that could go wrong like not being able to stay under 3000 minerals with 10 gateways, harrass, mines, or anything else, this wins out
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 09 2010 04:40 GMT
#7
Well, yes the old Starcraft flaws will still be there, and I suppose they would be more apparent or frustrating coming from SC II, (auto-mine, anyone?) but I am speaking more about taking a new perspective on the game. I feel that I would be playing the game with new eyes, maybe that's ridiculous and won't be the case, but I have this feeling that it would be like seeing things in a new light. It's pretty hard to make this argument when I don't have any specific examples, but a few things from SC II that might change the way I play SC BW:
  • One base play is much more common in SC II.
  • There isn't a lot of economic harass in SC II.
  • There is a greater focus on micro in SC II (for Protoss at least) because macroing is so much easier.

Maybe I would be focusing more on micro due to recent habits, or opening with more risky one base builds rather than a macro fast expand style of play. Those are the best examples I have.
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
June 09 2010 04:57 GMT
#8
I will not open SC in this period..I am really addicted to that game and the only way to save my soul is keeping the cd closed in some closet
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
June 09 2010 05:17 GMT
#9
On June 09 2010 13:40 Salv wrote:
Well, yes the old Starcraft flaws will still be there, and I suppose they would be more apparent or frustrating coming from SC II, (auto-mine, anyone?) but I am speaking more about taking a new perspective on the game. I feel that I would be playing the game with new eyes, maybe that's ridiculous and won't be the case, but I have this feeling that it would be like seeing things in a new light. It's pretty hard to make this argument when I don't have any specific examples, but a few things from SC II that might change the way I play SC BW:
  • One base play is much more common in SC II.
  • There isn't a lot of economic harass in SC II.
  • There is a greater focus on micro in SC II (for Protoss at least) because macroing is so much easier.

Maybe I would be focusing more on micro due to recent habits, or opening with more risky one base builds rather than a macro fast expand style of play. Those are the best examples I have.


That's how SC1 was in the first few years too! Lots of 1 base play and less macro oriented builds (see zerg before 12 hatch, before muta stacking, see protoss before bisu build, forge fast expand and others, if you want to go back even earlier some maps weren't even very suited for macro/fast expand play). As the game matures and the skill of the top players (ie. pros) increases, SC2 will probably converge on a similar level of macro oriented play as SC1 did.
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada719 Posts
June 09 2010 05:21 GMT
#10
On June 09 2010 13:09 PokePill wrote:
2) Money spent AFTER construction, not when issued

Intentional, not a bug. This way and the SC2 way each have pros and cons; I wouldn't consider either of them necessarily better than the other.
11) Reavers on attack move running striaght into cannons

Did it have any scarabs?
14) @@*! randomly missing YES ALL UNITS HAVE RANDOM CHANCE TO MISS WHEN NOT EVEN NEAR A HIGH GROUND APPARENTLY

Intentional, not a bug.
15) Iccup decides not to give lan latency even tho everyone has antihack

The antihack was updated with the start of the new season. LAN latency isn't activated unless everyone in the game is running the current version.
17) Only south americans ever online on iccup, they LAG

yeah
18) Units getting stuck when they come out of gateways

This happens in SC2 as well. (hi whitera!) in fact it's even easier to have happen in some cases since SC2 buildings block more than SC ones.
Then the game freezes cuz ur using Windows 7.

Hasn't happened to me. :/
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
June 09 2010 05:24 GMT
#11
lol

After coming back to SC:BW I remember what SC2 doesn't have.

Mines and Lurkers..
Can you feel the rush?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
June 09 2010 05:28 GMT
#12
It sucks. I'm done with BW. It's basically unplayable to me.
Moderator
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
June 09 2010 05:39 GMT
#13
On June 09 2010 14:28 Chill wrote:
It sucks. I'm done with BW. It's basically unplayable to me.


Man I don't know how we're going to survive until Beta comes back up and/or official release.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#14
On June 09 2010 14:28 Chill wrote:
It sucks. I'm done with BW. It's basically unplayable to me.


I'm afraid of this, I will find out tomorrow when I log on to play some ICCup. There is definitely a lot of interface and gameplay changes that SC II introduced that IDK if I can do with out.
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
June 09 2010 05:45 GMT
#15
I went back for a few games. That shit is just archaic now. Cannot play.

Farewell Brood War.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 05:50:59
June 09 2010 05:47 GMT
#16
That's why i enjoy broodwar more than Sc2. I'm always busy and it is much more challenging. Sc2 feels bland compared to bw. Especially late game >.<
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 09 2010 05:49 GMT
#17
I love Brood War, the game is way more fun than SC2 :l
Writerptrk
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 06:24:27
June 09 2010 06:16 GMT
#18
I only care about spectating at the moment. And Broodwar is a lot more entertaining to watch for me. Not cause the players are better, Bw just looks a lot clearer and is better to follow in my view.

Playing sc2 is pretty fun but i don't like the bnet regional lock and knowing Blizzard balance patches i can lean back till expansion 2 maybe then it's balanced. If i really consider learning it i wont waste my time now if everything changes sooner or later anyways. I will just play some UMS or casually with friends until the game is finished with the last expansion.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
June 09 2010 06:21 GMT
#19
i'll play it for some fun. don't have the PC to run SC2 smooth so i'm stuck with older games.
I am not good with quotes
zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
June 09 2010 06:41 GMT
#20
I've probably played about 5 games with friends I know... and I must say its quite refreshing.

- First 3 games were against my D+ friend who i might say hates SC2, but I kinda deserved losing @ his game (compared to me on SC2, it was his payback)

- Last 2 games were against my D- friend who I try to get to play iCCup more often with me as a practice partner, it was a fun match, although ending under 10 minutes...

I have a renewed respect for SC1 players because the mechanics seem so prehistoric compared to SC2, but I must say SC2 has made me such a lazy player... I mean my APM was being limited by SC2's mechanics, and in SC1 I feel so much more freedom.

I'll want to play more BW now that I've started, this is an excellent time to play while Phase 2 is going to be a while.
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 15:12:25
June 09 2010 15:12 GMT
#21
On June 09 2010 14:21 tarpman wrote:
stuff

Ofc it had scarabs, and I know what is or what is not a bug lol.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
June 09 2010 15:34 GMT
#22
I really like this game. SC is the only game I play, and my attention is split between pro scene and playing the game, and since SC2 doesn't have a pro scene proper, BW is the obvious choice. I mean, someone just tried to 4 gate rush me PvT because he saw Reach do it. I love stuff like that . It will be excited if a new "hero" emerges in SC2, akin to boxer.
Each day gets better : )
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
June 09 2010 16:31 GMT
#23
BW is impossible to play for me now T_T
I left BW for SC2 beta as a D/D+ player, got into diamond league, felt good about myself. Now I'm back playing SC1 and I'm a D- newbie that can't win at all.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 09 2010 16:42 GMT
#24
bw is silly easy
actually having room to outmacro people
its like theres no challenge
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 09 2010 16:46 GMT
#25
On June 10 2010 01:42 IdrA wrote:
bw is silly easy
actually having room to outmacro people
its like theres no challenge

Time to destroy OSL Prelims gogogo!
Moderator
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
June 09 2010 17:13 GMT
#26
i don't know about getting back onto iccup
but sc2 beta is unplayable to me. its like playing cnc or something

after a while you plateau and its no fun anymore
cw)minsean(ru
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 09 2010 17:38 GMT
#27
bw traitors!!!! : <
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
June 09 2010 18:03 GMT
#28
On June 10 2010 01:42 IdrA wrote:
bw is silly easy
actually having room to outmacro people
its like theres no challenge

Group U
(T)HiyA vs Bye
(P)Moon vs (T)TurN
(Z)GoRush vs (T)IdrA
(Z)Suae vs (P)Jaehoon

Poor Gorush
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 18:09:11
June 09 2010 18:07 GMT
#29
The sad thing is I've tried to go back to BW, but I just can't.
I don't feel comfortable. Once used to SC2's awesomeness, it's hard to switch back to BW.
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
June 09 2010 18:34 GMT
#30
I always thought I would love broodwar more than sc2, but after playing a few games recently its just not the case. BW is still good, but I found myself just wanting to play SC2
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
June 09 2010 18:39 GMT
#31
I always thought I would love broodwar more than sc2, but after playing a few games recently its just not the case. BW is still good, but I found myself just wanting to play SC2
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 19:09:19
June 09 2010 19:08 GMT
#32
It's taking me longer than I though to get used to broodwar again. I was never a stellar player... My best season was a C-, but I felt I had a good grasp of the game and mechanics got stronger every game. I don't condemn broodwar by any measure, it's just difficult. Really difficult.

It's funny how all the things purists complained about: Multiple building selection, infinite unit selection, macro mechanics, etc, are now things we cant seem to live without. XD
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
June 09 2010 19:36 GMT
#33
On June 10 2010 03:34 zOula... wrote:
I always thought I would love broodwar more than sc2, but after playing a few games recently its just not the case. BW is still good, but I found myself just wanting to play SC2


opposite for me. although i didnt expect a lot from sc2;;

played around 10 games, and then i dont know. just didn't want to play it lol.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 09 2010 23:29 GMT
#34
On June 10 2010 04:08 Lexpar wrote:
It's funny how all the things purists complained about: Multiple building selection, infinite unit selection, macro mechanics, etc, are now things we cant seem to live without. XD


Haha, I was thinking about that too, I guess we didn't know any better.
Hithran
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada57 Posts
June 09 2010 23:56 GMT
#35
I started playing yesterday after over a month of playing the beta. I too feel refreshed and it doesn't seem like I have slowed down, and almost gotten faster. I just played a game with my highest amp in a medium length game. Some aspects are a little rusty but its not as bad as I thought it would be. SC2 is fun but I wish SCBW would have had more time ( more TSL's ect ) because I was really enjoying it more than the SC2 tournys
Helium
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
59 Posts
June 10 2010 00:16 GMT
#36
BW is great

god I've missed the swamy Zerg style
"This debate lacks any sexual intrigue so I am not even paying attention."
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
June 10 2010 03:58 GMT
#37
man, TL was the most anti SC2 site on the net before the beta hit. seems like a complete transformation has taken place.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
June 10 2010 04:04 GMT
#38
On June 10 2010 12:58 eMbrace wrote:
man, TL was the most anti SC2 site on the net before the beta hit. seems like a complete transformation has taken place.


I think there was a lot of overreaction to MBS and infinite unit selection. I probably gave my fair share of ignorant criticism, but a lot of trusted TL personalities gave their opinion based on Blizzcon & WWII alpha builds and weren't too fond of those mechanics at the time, so I think people based their own opinion off theirs. Really though, having played with it, the hardest part for me will be hotkeying my army to multiple keys; or so I suspect.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-10 04:11:28
June 10 2010 04:10 GMT
#39
yeah I remember those front page articles -- so dramatic.

"INJECTED LARVA!"

just one big rant about how effective/imba injected larva was at blizzcon. those were dark times.
pheus
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia161 Posts
June 10 2010 11:49 GMT
#40
On June 10 2010 12:58 eMbrace wrote:
man, TL was the most anti SC2 site on the net before the beta hit. seems like a complete transformation has taken place.


that's because the sc2 only players outnumber the broodwar players significantly
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 10 2010 12:37 GMT
#41
--- Nuked ---
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
June 10 2010 14:27 GMT
#42
My sight doesn't allow me to play 3d RTS more than a couple hours !

gg me =(
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
June 10 2010 14:45 GMT
#43
I'm surprised so many people feel like this. I play a few games a week of BW now just for fun and I still feel the same way I did before beta, just with less competitive desire.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
June 10 2010 14:47 GMT
#44
Feels good. I never have idle drones anymore because of the macro habits I developed around vomit larvae. SC2 made me better at broodwar.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
June 10 2010 15:32 GMT
#45
BW is still fun, I just miss the chronoboost, mbs, tech labs and reactors fitting every building, creep giving zerg units speed, xel'naga watch towers and of course the most important thing supply depots that lower into the ground!
Brood War forever!
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 67
CranKy Ducklings45
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko120
ProTech64
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22324
Calm 5415
Rain 2332
firebathero 1052
Flash 778
BeSt 634
Mind 520
Soma 387
PianO 321
Stork 290
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 284
Hyun 230
Mini 226
Light 205
Hyuk 159
Last 156
Snow 112
Soulkey 90
ZerO 71
Shinee 70
Nal_rA 69
Killer 61
Pusan 58
Barracks 58
ggaemo 57
zelot 55
Mong 54
Aegong 36
Sharp 28
Rush 27
Backho 24
sorry 24
yabsab 17
Icarus 16
Sea.KH 15
Movie 15
Shine 14
hero 14
IntoTheRainbow 11
SilentControl 10
Hm[arnc] 9
sas.Sziky 7
JYJ2
Zeus 1
Free 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe722
BananaSlamJamma558
XaKoH 407
League of Legends
JimRising 426
Reynor67
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3443
shoxiejesuss489
x6flipin286
allub128
byalli119
oskar32
edward26
Other Games
summit1g6221
singsing1774
B2W.Neo373
crisheroes277
DeMusliM230
Fuzer 76
Mew2King75
rGuardiaN24
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL19728
Other Games
gamesdonequick413
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2059
Upcoming Events
OSC
35m
Wardi Open
23h 35m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 22h
Safe House 2
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.