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Monst3r
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Dozle
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Superiorwolf
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
Does it really matter what happens when you die? Live your life, enjoy it while you can. | ||
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decafchicken
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micronesia
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love1another
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Pokebunny
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:22 Pokebunny wrote: I think about this shit every once in a while... really you just forget about it in a short time. (I'm 14) Awwwwwww you're 14? That's so cute  | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:27 Superiorwolf wrote: I think he's 17 lol but maybe I've been wrong this whole time XD Me too, actually, I remember his birthday thread where people were like "congratulations! You're 11!" | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
about your concerns about the universe... i don't really see how you can get depresed about thinking about it, personaly i get pumped out when we start debating and thinking about the infinitly large. I really recomend you reading stephen hawkings's book, a brief history of time and the universe in a nuttshell, they will not provide answers but open your mind to very deep and complicated cientific questions in a very aprochable ways. Cheers | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
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Genjimaru
Canada515 Posts
Life can be very overwhelming, you just have to take it in stride. | ||
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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Monst3r
119 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:36 hellokitty[hk] wrote: Why does it matter? Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but thanks for being a douche. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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micronesia
United States24644 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:41 Monst3r wrote: Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but thanks for being a douche. He's not necessarily being a douche although you can't really tell from that brief post. He could have a point that it doesn't matter and that ultimately you shouldn't worry about it. Obviously just being told that doesn't help you though. There are some things you have to come to terms with on your own and I wish you luck. On June 05 2010 11:46 Caller wrote: don't worry i'll figure out how to make people live forever soon enough All the tvp's you lost vs me extended my life by a day or two I'm sure. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
Life is a gift. Don't worry what happens after, or what happened before. Because you will be always be present in this universe. Your spirit will never die. And believe me or not, spirits are real. Just, do what you want with your life, aim for your goals, and the most important thing: Don't be depressed. If you are depressed you will wish that your life ends faster. I hope this helped. Perhaps this song is nice for what are you feeling. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:46 Caller wrote: don't worry i'll figure out how to make people live forever soon enough Please PM me the secret once you do, okies?! And I was thinking about life and death when I was like 8 years old brah! 15 year old philosophers ain't got nothing on me. | ||
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SleepSheep
Canada344 Posts
yeah, it really is. so cute. | ||
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SleepSheep
Canada344 Posts
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
i want to have attend church and all but right now my skepticism is larger than my desire to be religious or at least giving a decent effort. for me.. theres some sort of relaxing peace knowing that i dont have to worry about "that" anymore and just live my life. it's somewhat liberating.. not depressing. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:18 Superiorwolf wrote: Research both sides of the argument online and form your own opinion on the subject. lol... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I'm glad someone else shares my amusement. OP, enlightenment doesn't guarantee happiness. This might help, though. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
does that make me a bad person | ||
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Lite Kirby
United States74 Posts
On June 05 2010 12:01 Divinek wrote: is it wrong that i auto one stared this because of the title, does that make me a bad person I did the same thing. But maybe we should have given it a 5 so tc doesn't kill himself. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On June 05 2010 12:01 Divinek wrote: is it wrong that i auto one stared this because of the title, does that make me a bad person yeah it does. i one stared it too. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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unionbank
Australia666 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. It's just something you go through, everyone has a phase when they question their meaning. Or at least I did. You'll get through it and start to enjoy life a lot more. To be honest though, the cause of your depression isn't these thoughts of yours, it's other things in your life, maybe school or family related (or maybe you just get scared of things easily). You need to get past this, by improving your environment, to get to that stage of enjoying life. No one can prove where people go when they die. Atheist's will say that you rot in the ground. Christians (and other religious people) will say your soul goes elsewhere. Neither side can prove that the other side is wrong. The big bang could have been created due to the collision of two membranes. Imagine the universe colliding with another universe and releasing a lot of energy in an explosion. Hence string, and membrane theory. Perhaps it goes through a cycle of expansion and crunching. Perhaps god existed forever, and always has. The question you're asking are called universal questions. You probably don't think that the people in your class think about these issues. They probably don't. Maybe they never will. What's important to know is that you have to choose your own answer to each question. A christian will have blind faith, where he believes everything in the bible to be true, every contradiction, every illogical hole can be fixed by faith. In much the same, although a dissimilar way, you must realize that you can not prove whether there is a heaven or not, and choose what you think to be more likely. Talk to people, teachers, family, friends, and discover your own course and purpose in life. If none of these work, talk to a doctor, or a psychiatrist. Depression is a terrible thing. Please don't mind the other douches in this thread. Maturity is hard to find on a mainly teen board, and it hasn't gotten better since sc2, and you may have more luck going to a philosophy thread. Though those guys are kind of stuffy and have their own flaws too. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
BTW, you can't feel rotting. You're dead. Being worm-food isn't a big deal, really. You weren't alive billions of years before you were born and you're no worse off because of it. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
I don't understand. Maybe this blog is shitty, but you certainly aren't contributing to it other than being a jerk. I think everyone goes through a time in their life like this so most of us can relate. I'm sure you have something better to say than "ROFL I AUTO ONE STARED THIS SHIT". I know this is just a blog but these posts bother me so much. | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
if you're going to die, then all the better. just live every day as if it were your last. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
I think its more weird that some people don't ever have these thoughts and just believe whatever they grew up believing. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. It's actually incredibly normal. Once you come to terms with that and stop being emo, I think you'll be fine. Instead of thinking about random hypotheticals, like what happens if you were to die... try to think about this; "what am I going to do right now" | ||
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AyeH
United States534 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. I think you are confusing depression and curiosity to be honest. | ||
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Foreplay
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Mickey
United States2606 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_crisis Don't feel like you're alone. I feel this is ironic, but maybe also a sign for me. I went through mine this week and believe me I started thinking about the same questions you are currently thinking of. Is there a god? What happens after death? Is there meaning in life? etc.. The problem with these questions is that there are no definite answers. Bouncing them inside your head only prolongs negative feelings and could lead to developing depression. Usually these kinds of events are caused by negative developments in your life which create anxiety which then creates the development of the mood you are in which could lead to the idea that you're depressed. Honestly, it could be depression by itself. I was in your exact same boat this morning and I'm twenty one. Do not isolate yourself Talk to your friends and family about the feelings you're currently having. Talking to someone and letting these things out will certainly make you feel better. Ultimately this might lead you to have a sense of spirituality and it has for me. These questions are gigantic for you to try to bear on yourself as a person. Have faith in yourself and ultimately you will get through this. Edit If you need someone to talk to. PM me. I'd be happy to listen and try to help as best I could. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
Saaaadd.... and you get....hiiiiiiiigh | ||
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Mickey
United States2606 Posts
On June 05 2010 14:24 Carthac wrote: When youre young you get sad, when youre young you get sad, when youre young you get... Saaaadd.... and you get....hiiiiiiiigh I'd argue against using cannabis. Cannabis intensifies any mood you are currently in and if you are rather sad it will simply make it worse. Believe me from personal experience. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:18 Superiorwolf wrote: Of course it's normal for 15 year olds to think about this. I already formed my opinion on the existence of a god or not by the time I was 15. Research both sides of the argument online and form your own opinion on the subject. Hopefully you'll find the logic and reasoning behind scientific arguments more convincing than arguments of intelligent design. Lol nice way to pretty much tell him to that he's wrong if he believes in god... Do some research and if you dont believe in God then youre right because thats how i think. If you do believe in a God just know that I think youre wrong and my opinion is right while youre wrong. Believe what you want just don't argue with people who don't share those same views, respect them even if they differ from your own. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
Edit: And as far as God goes, he is what you make him to be. None can prove a single god, or that a god exists, although there is most definitely much greater power(s) that be. Many religions use these figures to push morality, which is great, but they also push a lot of nonsense that is irrelevant. Do not fail to question this like many do. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
On June 05 2010 14:31 Mickey wrote: I'd argue against using cannabis. Cannabis intensifies any mood you are currently in and if you are rather sad it will simply make it worse. Believe me from personal experience. I was just quoting a song I never did drugs when I was younger, with the exception of drinking, but I would if I could do it over again. If you have the will power and control to not do anything stupid and stay away from hard drugs, I believe drugs open up a lot of doors to curbing adolescent depression. HOWEVER, most kids really can't handle nor understand the responsibility behind doing any sort of drug. They often times get behind on responsibilities and go overboard with them. | ||
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Blyadischa
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Read meaningful books. (not the bible though) | ||
intrigue
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don't worry about it, u just gotta sk8 | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
Hey don't worry, you'll have real problems to be depressed about soon enough. Time to learn to cope. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
I don't particularly like the thought of dying, but we all have to do it some day Just live your life, explore your opportunities and do as much as possible so you can reminisce and feel content with integrity in old age. EDIT: if this makes you depressed, stay away from women | ||
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yesplz
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Grend
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Too bad Teenage and Grown up me are so fricking lazy!  Just do not do something stupid, it may pass as you learn to ignore the empty void where the meaning of life should be. I still hate when I end up not falling asleep, instead lying there thinking about things like this, because there really is no inherent meaning to life, you just have to fill it with stupid stuff like Starcraft or whatever. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
Sure, I toyed with the idea that there wasn't a god, but as life wore on I found that there's a third option that I've come to agree with more than religion or atheism. And that is spirituality. It's one thing to say there's no god, it's completely another to say there is a god and he favors you because you pray to a specific prophet (beware of false ones), but I've found it quite intellectually fulfilling to just take the universe for what it is: beautiful, alive, and continuous. I highly recommend you have morals in your life, but that doesn't mean you have to drink someone's blood every Sunday and say remember Jesus as your savior once every five minutes in order to live in paradise. The Bible is meant to be taken non-literally, by the way. You can actually gain a lot of knowledge about the world if you read it that way. On June 05 2010 15:07 Carthac wrote: I was just quoting a song I never did drugs when I was younger, with the exception of drinking, but I would if I could do it over again. If you have the will power and control to not do anything stupid and stay away from hard drugs, I believe drugs open up a lot of doors to curbing adolescent depression. HOWEVER, most kids really can't handle nor understand the responsibility behind doing any sort of drug. They often times get behind on responsibilities and go overboard with them. I tend to agree with these two. Cannabis helped me recognize my own spiritual beliefs as valid and possible. At one point I even believed that the universe was simply a large organism trying to get by in its own little world. Now I just believe in unity. There are drugs that can help you understand more about yourself if you use them with respect. I'm not saying you should go toke up outside or stay high for the rest of your life. But every once in a while certainly can't be a bad thing. Actually, along with my existential crisis, I had to stop hanging out with my small group of college friends several months ago. This small group had already been made smaller due to my use of cannabis, though I was getting to the level in the underground communities where new doors were opening up and I would've probably been popular in a few short weeks. However, because of my lacking social ability when it came to women, my small group of friends actually sat me down at a beer/weed party and told me that I should stop waiting to come out of the closet, because it would be better for me if I had my sexual orientation out in the open. Let me tell you, I was pissed. I'm straight, by the way. I told my roommate's disrespectful girlfriend to strip then and there and then we'd see who's gay. I couldn't even get away from them because I was drunk. I later moved out of my apartment early, basically screwed my roommate and longtime friend into having to pay the full rent and also into having to buy dishes for the kitchen (sob sob), and also stopped hanging out with that group of friends. And that's how I quit smoking. Basically, I hate having been so damn sheltered in high school. No one ever pressured me to get a girlfriend until college, so it was seldom that I had one in high school. I think I was more interested in getting a higher level in some RPG than trying to get involved with females. It's not like it helped that my mom switched the channel and said "eww, gross!!!!" every time something even remotely seductive (shampoo commercials? COME ON!) came on the tv. It's much more important to go through an existential crisis at a young age than it is being fucking ignorant. I know you didn't need my life story and I know no one gives a shit about some loser on the internet (me), but perhaps it will help you get through your dark time. I feel that my crisis took a hell of a lot longer because it was triggered by me gaining 100% independence (irresponsibility), losing the friends I hung out with 99% of the time (isolation), and recognizing how late I am in losing my virginity (low self-esteem) -- all at the same time. It would have been nicer to deal with those things individually, but life kicks us all in the ass sometimes, right? So my point is this: you know that little voice in the back of your head? It's time to start listening to it. If someone tells you otherwise, tell them to back off and let you live your own damn life. As long as you respect yourself, the people around you, and the planet you live on, anything goes. There's actually more I could tell you that could help, but I feel like my posting privileges should get taken away for a few hours because of how much of an asshole I'm being by making such a large, meaningless (to most) post. If you want to hear it all, PM me. Sorry for longpost, take it light everyone. Edit: Probably gonna make this into a blog. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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Uhlan
United States51 Posts
The meaning of life is to be happy. You're not here for very long. Do everything you can to be happy. Make those around you happy. The pursuit of happiness is the only thing that matters in life. As for the beginning of the universe, why does it matter? That doesn't effect you, and will probably never effect the Human race. It's a question that doesn't have an answer, but it's also an unimportant question. These thoughts you're having are totally natural and this post probably won't help much. Don't answer the questions, question the questions. In your lifetime, will they really matter? | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
At a very early age, your brain is mainly controlled by the reptilian or the primitive side of it. You know how to eat, sleep, and you can learn other basic functions like oral communication. When you are a teenager around the time of puberty, your brain undergoes a wide variety of changes. One of these changes is the change that separated humans from animals - the ability of intellectual thought and actualization. Having a subconscious awareness of actualization leads to a subconscious fear of death - which is the root cause of your existential crisis. What this means is that you fear death because you have not lived life the way you want it. As a 15 year old, you are not supposed to have gotten everything out of life yet. If you die at this stage, it will suck pretty bad. The reason why existential crises occur at earlier stages in life is because you have not prediction of what your life will become like or what you will need to do to self actualize. Reaching self actualization in a nutshell is reaching your fullest potential in life so that when you die, you will be content with the life that you have led. Different people actualize in different ways. Most people reach self actualization by having a family, and knowing that their children will carry on the family bloodline. Right now, you probably don't see much meaning from leaving a mark on the world, having children, or having grandchildren, but eventually you will. When you see these meanings, the question in your mind will change from "What happens when I die?" into "How can I achieve these things in life?". At that point, things will be a lot easier to bear and life will no longer to depressing since you have clear goals to achieve. When you are lying on your deathbed at the end of your life, the question in your mind will be "Have I led a life that I am proud of?" That question is answered through everything that you did in your lifetime. What I'm trying to tell you is that an existential crisis hinges upon not knowing whether you will lead a successful life. If you are uncertain of whether or not you will die happy, then be certain that the things you need to do in order to die happy will become apparent to you soon. When that day comes, you won't ever have to worry about what happens after you die, because you have something to live for. For now, live life to the fullest, and save dying for later. | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
 ), I see things that seem too spectacular to be created by chance. the way cells replicate and have the blueprints for life, which are enormously complicated. just thinking about how one cell can lead to a functioning hive of trillions of cells all thinking and working together. you can write libraries about the intricacies of the mind and thought. this stuff just melts my mind sometimes. then there is the universe itself, all the physics and environment are perfect for life (there may be other places in the universe as well). im not going to get into the bible, cause it has to be taken with a grain of salt, we cant be sure of the accounts, their transcribed accuracy, omitted passages, eye witness account accuracies. plus all the other religions saying they are right as well. I think there is something that created the universe, but i dont know about their involvement in our lives. I've recently been thinking time may be cyclical, just because of all the deja vu i've been experiencing lately. we may be living the same life over and over again, in which case you may be reading this forum for the upteenth time. or the whole world may just be a reality for you, that doesn't actually exist. life may be a game that you are plugged in to, and when you die you wake up somewhere else, or you're a character in someone else's game. plus, there are multiple dimensions (11 or 12 if i'm not mistaken), all existing in the same place, where dead people could be hiding. lots of fun possibilities. in the worst case, death would probably be just like going to sleep (what did you feel like before you were born). and if you notice that you're dead, then fist pump since you've continued existing. anyways, i think it's best to keep all this on the back burner, but this site goes over a lot of the ideas about origins of life and what could come after death, in depth http://lifeafterdeath.info/ . it should help confuse you more stay cheery! | ||
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JustAnotherKnave
United States67 Posts
then like lightning, i was free. whatever answer i was looking for was to the wrong question. i knew i had my own life, and even if self-begot, this life is still mine. i stopped talking for 3 months, stopped eating much, quite drinking drugs and sex, would read the bible and pretend i was a ghost waiting for ressurection. i took solace in the leaves of the trees and the faces of those walking by. had to deal with another year of the dead life, but i eventually broke into the adventure i wanted for the rebirth. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Life is just a big ball of shit and pain, you've got to make it fun to endure it. Just don't try to kill yourself yet, wait with that until you are 20+ and have experienced life itself. ^^ | ||
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
which you experienced for an infinite amount of time before your birth | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. These are the same questions every single human has been tangling with for generations. This is why you will never find an answer for these questions. Make up your own answers, or forget about it. Welcome to the club. | ||
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Jaw
United States274 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Piste
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I'm old enough and I have an answer for you: + Show Spoiler + nothing. no life after dead. no thoughts, no mind, no soul. No happiness, no sadness. NOTHING. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On June 05 2010 22:32 Piste wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone has thought the same question. I'm old enough and I have an answer for you: + Show Spoiler + nothing. no life after dead. no thoughts, no mind, no soul. No happiness, no sadness. NOTHING. as it is human nature to worry about the future, that is a very grim outlook to be nothing at all | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On June 05 2010 22:34 phosphorylation wrote: as it is human nature to worry about the future, that is a very grim outlook to be nothing at all Or is it? | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
but as i said, humans naturally worry about the future so from the current perspective, it IS grim because people fear utter emptiness | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Personal I'd prefer some tripped out ascension to a higher plane. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
it's not terrifying but just extremely sobering peaceful? it's peaceful when i am chilling on my couch, beer in my hand, watching flash pwn noobs so i definietly had these thoughts when i was younger but now distractions and general stress distract me from it but think of this: let's say there is a higher plane of existence for your afterlife but imagine really what it would be like to exist forever? based on my existence on earth, i cannot wrap my head around it, and it's frankly a even more terrifying prospect than not existing at all so idk, either way, it's not looking too swell but maybe that has to do with the fact that it's finals week | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
"Define religion". The core of it all is belief. Among the words that are part of the core we have. Meaning, goals, wanting, doing, living for. But the first part of all in life and religion is believing. Perhaps that's all it is. Perhaps religion isn't churches and words. Perhaps the atheist is religous as well. Perhaps religion is life. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
i think the purpose of life is the pursuit of happiness | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
Being depressed is ok you feel how you feel. Don't let yourself be convinced things are worse than they really are. Things will change especially if you try to change them. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
On June 05 2010 22:32 Piste wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone has thought the same question. I'm old enough and I have an answer for you: nothing. no life after dead. no thoughts, no mind, no soul. No happiness, no sadness. NOTHING. This outlook on life SUCKS. With this mindset, there's no point in doing anything, 'cuz we're al gonna die anyeays' . Ask yourself: do you really feel that this could be true, do you feel that there's no reason for it all, that when we die nothing happens, just nothing. Can you come to terms with that idea, or are you uncomfortable with it. If you feel that there might be something wrong with the mindset laid out above, then believe that, believe that the useless train of thoughts, going nowhere, saying that 'there is nothing at the end of it all' is a bunch of bullshit. On June 05 2010 11:18 Superiorwolf wrote: Research both sides of the argument online and form your own opinion on the subject. Hopefully you'll find the logic and reasoning behind scientific arguments more convincing than arguments of intelligent design. Respect to Superiorwolf, but none to his judgment. Would you entrust the shape, path, direction and reason for your entire life to some internet troll? I hope you're not that stupid. If you're curious, its ok. What you need to do is ASK: Matthew 7: 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. Look here Go to a local church, or other place of religious, worship and talk to people. Trust me, they will be overjoyed to just listen to you, they'll be so happy you came [personal experience]. Then I dare you to 1) find and 2) talk to someone promoting the idea that we should worship nothing (or was it science we should worship? pfft) -> atheistic, and see how they treat you. I have found that the atheistic ones are much more condescending, arrogant and militant in expressing their views, asn the religious ones are more open, caring and listening. Well then I guess that all the atheists in my city are meanies... | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. every person with a decent level of awareness will come to ask themself these questions. its a good thing, nothing to be depressed about. most people waste the existence they lead without even thinking about the implications of it. what the answers to these questions mean to you is up to you to decide. god i dont think that there is a god (cannot be proven either way, but there is no evidence suggesting there is one), and accepting one as the answer only pushes the real answer back to behind the scenes. even a god has to come from somewhere. and even if existence would necessitate a god, there is no way to tell which god (allah, yaweh, god, zeus, ...), nor would there be a way to tell what it is that this god wants. i also dont think it would be very satisfactory to accept a reason to live made up by a god instead of coming up with your own. the timespan On June 05 2010 14:03 Foreplay wrote: in the contrary - a short life makes all your time spent on things worth more instead of less, because the amount of actions you can take and influence you can make is limited.i think it's awesome that i'm gonna die someday. It makes life choices sooo much less stressful knowing that it's not going to matter when i die. the meaning of life personally i see two ways to approach the meaning of life on a rational basis. one is to know life as what it is, a form of matter occupied with procreating itself. this means that the purpose of life is to live, and the purpose of the animal called 'human' is to spread human life. but this purpose is not 'a human one', because it ignores that which makes us human. we are intelligent beings, capable of reasoning and making plans and capable of awareness greater than that of any other species. thought and the intentional creation of things and thus the creation of purpose, on this planet, are solely the human domain. since life probably ends with the death of your body i would advise you to find something that is greater than you, something that will last to beyond your death - an idea, a goal, a project or maybe just the memories you can give to other people - and use that to make your life objectively useful. i can tell you though that not many people reach that point, as the vastest piece of the human population does not care about things that dont affect them. many people are also happy with just enjoying life, which is perfectly fine, but it is no different from living in the matrix and i dont think that that is something people honestly wish for. i know i wouldnt. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
posting it on a forum however, is only going to rile up the devout christians and devout atheists no matter what you choose to believe, try not to give up on reason and logic, they exist for a reason. there's literally no way to tell what will happen after death for sure, so just make life as awesome as you can, however you choose to define awesome (hopefully its not a) being depressed b) harming others c) harming yourself d) any linear combination of the above) + Show Spoiler + i know this is a really simple form of existentialism, if you think i shouldnt be giving this kind of advice then pm me | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On June 05 2010 12:01 Divinek wrote: i gave it 5 stars because i think these are good question that EVERYONE should ask themself, and i believe that the thoughtlessness that creates problems all over the place in the world we are living in is partly due to people not asking themselves these questions.is it wrong that i auto one stared this because of the title, does that make me a bad person | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On June 06 2010 06:42 enzym wrote: i gave it 5 stars because i think these are good question that EVERYONE should ask themself, and i believe that the thoughtlessness that creates problems all over the place in the world we are living in is partly due to people not asking themselves these questions. =) then you're a better man than me to actually be nice to the OP If you're in that silly cycle of if god created us who created god thing, you have to remember it can't possibly work that way since as people and our experiences we're very limited to perceiving things as to having to have a beginning and an end, which for something like that it probably really isnt the case. Though it's pretty impossible to grasp since things have to come from somewhere, but just accept it's beyond our understanding and move on! | ||
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scott desu
United States34 Posts
Although you really have to fully make up your mind, you cant fool yourself on this one. Good luck | ||
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bITt.mAN
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
On June 06 2010 06:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: its very normal for 15 year olds to think like this actually Truth posting it on a forum however, is only going to rile up the devout christians and devout atheists Truth no matter what you choose to believe, try not to give up on reason and logic, they exist for a reason. Truth, but what if I say: "YOU exist for a reason"? Oh no, then I'm not impartial/liberal, so I'm dismissed. there's literally no way to tell what will happen after death for sure, so just make life as awesome as you can, however you choose to define awesome (hopefully its not a) being depressed b) harming others c) harming yourself d) any linear combination of the above) Why? Whats the point of doing 'good things' for the sake of 'doing good things'? It's nice to have blogs like these because they lead to people asking hard questions. But the answers to these question are what WILL define how you live your life, iMO pretty important... Then again, as we live in what we like to believe is a Neo-Darwinian era [no not the name of some retro map] of course we must worship reason and logic. Not disrespectin' but they do have some flaws (take IB Theory of Knowledge and you'll see). I'm just sad I have to go now so I can't sit on this thread | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 06 2010 06:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: its very normal for 15 year olds to think like this actually posting it on a forum however, is only going to rile up the devout christians and devout atheists tl is not a typical place. clearly it does more than this. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2010 07:03 bITt.mAN wrote: Truth, but what if I say: "YOU exist for a reason"? Oh no, then I'm not impartial/liberal, so I'm dismissed. saying that "you exist for a reason" and implying that the reason is metaphysical isnt the same as saying that reason and logic exist for a reason, because reason and logic are human constructs designed to analyze things (that's the reason, they exist so people can think about things in an orderly way). don't play with semantics to make a point. about the theory of knowledge thing: i mean the basic big division is that reason/logic/science can explain the physical (and only the physical) while the metaphysical is reserved for faith and/or constructs like existentialism/nihilism/etc. i havent taken theory of knowledge, though i might take a philosophy class at some point, but i think i know the basic gist of things. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. Firstly it's completely normal for 15 year olds and younger to think like that. Secondly you're going to die eventually anyway so don't worry about that, and thirdly I'm sad to disappoint you, but you're probably just gonna rot in the ground, but the thing is, you're dead, so it makes no damn difference. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 06 2010 07:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: saying that "you exist for a reason" and implying that the reason is metaphysical isnt the same as saying that reason and logic exist for a reason, because reason and logic are human constructs designed to analyze things (that's the reason, they exist so people can think about things in an orderly way). don't play with semantics to make a point. about the theory of knowledge thing: i mean the basic big division is that reason/logic/science can explain the physical (and only the physical) while the metaphysical is reserved for faith and/or constructs like existentialism/nihilism/etc. i havent taken theory of knowledge, though i might take a philosophy class at some point, but i think i know the basic gist of things. I'm a major in philosophy, and you're confusing me with the way you're using words... Reason is a faculty usually attributed to intelligent beings, most often human beings (whatever it means to be one). It doesn't have anything immediately to do with logic...just beings that can reason usually can utilize logic... Logic is a kind of fundamental system of functioning. It came originally out of basic arithmetic and shit like that and was applied to argumentation and thought later on. It's not clear whether it's an underlying part of reality or if it's merely a human construct. No philosopher to date has been able to come up with a satisfactory theory as to whether it exists independently of human thought or something like that...that's worded like crap, but you should kinda get my meaning. I think there's been some discourse on that lately with some "Neo-Fregean" movement, but I don't really know much about it. Theory of knowledge is really just a sub-field of philosophy that focuses on knowledge, how we have it, how we know if we have it or not, etc. I think the field is pretty mature and dead right now, though (that is, until someone comes around and destroys the current reigning theory with something clever). What you're thinking of is more related to philosophy of mind/body that tries to figure out what the division between the mind and body is, if there is one. This has a lot of implications for the existence of something beyond the physical, or something just nonphysical period. There really is no division between "reason/logic/science" and other independent theories like "existentialism/nihilism/etc". The latter ignore big universal metaphysical questions entirely and foucs on the nature of reality closer to home (philosophy = study of the nature of reality, after all). Basically, if you were to ask them what they thought about their theory as existing or constructs or w/e, they simply wouldn't care. It doesn't matter. Heideggarian existentialism, for example, works with "worlds", or sort of systems of influence we inhabit. We inhabit the world of being starcraft fans, I inhabit the world of being a college student, etc. That's all that matters for Heidegger, and he doesn't give two shits about far off planets and stars that have no influence on the worlds we inhabit. If the philosophy doesn't concern itself with logic and stuff, then it has no place in it. On June 06 2010 07:03 bITt.mAN wrote: Why? Whats the point of doing 'good things' for the sake of 'doing good things'? It's nice to have blogs like these because they lead to people asking hard questions. But the answers to these question are what WILL define how you live your life, iMO pretty important... Then again, as we live in what we like to believe is a Neo-Darwinian era [no not the name of some retro map] of course we must worship reason and logic. Not disrespectin' but they do have some flaws (take IB Theory of Knowledge and you'll see). I'm just sad I have to go now so I can't sit on this thread There's a million different reasons why you should do things for the sake of doing things. There's also a million different reasons why you shouldn't. Don't play devil's advocate for a stupid question like this. The rise of logic has nothing to do with Darwinism. It has everything to do with the development of a formal logical system. Logic's been around as long as philosophy has. Aristotle had developed a huge and very detailed system of logic that had lasting influence until like a few hundred years ago. Logic actually had a very loose and fluid meaning, and in effect, every major philosopher between Plato and the 19-20th century developed their own "logic" in developing their theories. The rise of a formal logical system is a huge step for philosophy and argumentation in general. It's not a "Darwinian" thing...wtf lol. And no, your IB Theory of Knowledge means nothing to me. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2010 07:56 PH wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm a major in philosophy, and you're confusing me with the way you're using words... Reason is a faculty usually attributed to intelligent beings, most often human beings (whatever it means to be one). It doesn't have anything immediately to do with logic...just beings that can reason usually can utilize logic... Logic is a kind of fundamental system of functioning. It came originally out of basic arithmetic and shit like that and was applied to argumentation and thought later on. It's not clear whether it's an underlying part of reality or if it's merely a human construct. No philosopher to date has been able to come up with a satisfactory theory as to whether it exists independently of human thought or something like that...that's worded like crap, but you should kinda get my meaning. I think there's been some discourse on that lately with some "Neo-Fregean" movement, but I don't really know much about it. Theory of knowledge is really just a sub-field of philosophy that focuses on knowledge, how we have it, how we know if we have it or not, etc. I think the field is pretty mature and dead right now, though (that is, until someone comes around and destroys the current reigning theory with something clever). What you're thinking of is more related to philosophy of mind/body that tries to figure out what the division between the mind and body is, if there is one. This has a lot of implications for the existence of something beyond the physical, or something just nonphysical period. There really is no division between "reason/logic/science" and other independent theories like "existentialism/nihilism/etc". The latter ignore big universal metaphysical questions entirely and foucs on the nature of reality closer to home (philosophy = study of the nature of reality, after all). Basically, if you were to ask them what they thought about their theory as existing or constructs or w/e, they simply wouldn't care. It doesn't matter. Heideggarian existentialism, for example, works with "worlds", or sort of systems of influence we inhabit. We inhabit the world of being starcraft fans, I inhabit the world of being a college student, etc. That's all that matters for Heidegger, and he doesn't give two shits about far off planets and stars that have no influence on the worlds we inhabit. If the philosophy doesn't concern itself with logic and stuff, then it has no place in it. Thanks for clearing up all those issues~ (or at least trying to do so with someone with no knowledge of philosophical jargon or theory) I'll keep your name in mind whenever I need a philosophical question answered :3. I should clarify what I was trying to say: where "logic, reason, and science" went, it's only really "science" by definition - I'll copypaste wikipedia here because I don't have a clever definition. "Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise of gathering knowledge about the world and organizing and condensing that knowledge into testable laws and theories." So basically, evaluating and modeling the physical. I stupidly called the second group "existentialism, nihilism, etc" because I view those two general idea-blobs (moreso nihilism) as reactions to attempts to ascribe "meaning" or "value" to some things over others due to faith - so ultimately, extensions of beliefs based on faith. Of course it's selling philosophy several thousand parsecs short, and I shouldn't have done that. | ||
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gilga
United States24 Posts
On June 05 2010 11:13 Monst3r wrote: I feel very depressed atm because of just thinking about life... I think of what happens when things die.. Do they go to a magical heaven or just rot in the ground. If their is no god, how was there a big bang, but at the same time I think how is there even a god, shouldn't god have been created by someone? I don't really think its normal for 15 year old's to think like this, but I just can't get these thoughts out of my mind. I hate when I can't get a question answered, and honestly, if I didn't have a family I would actually want to die just to see if there really is a heaven or if I shall rot in the ground. l o l User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Bub
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Piste
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On June 06 2010 06:25 bITt.mAN wrote: This outlook on life SUCKS. With this mindset, there's no point in doing anything, 'cuz we're al gonna die anyeays' . Ask yourself: do you really feel that this could be true, do you feel that there's no reason for it all, that when we die nothing happens, just nothing. Can you come to terms with that idea, or are you uncomfortable with it. If you feel that there might be something wrong with the mindset laid out above, then believe that, believe that the useless train of thoughts, going nowhere, saying that 'there is nothing at the end of it all' is a bunch of bullshit. THIS IS NOT OUTLOOK ON LIFE, ITS ABOUT AFTER LIFE. And no it does not suck. Ofcourse there is meaning for your life. it's to be happy and succeed. We are here to live. You might be here wasting your time and waiting for death but that's not the case with all of us. I'm happy and I don't need to imagine that there is life after death. There is absolutely nothing. No thoughts, no happiness, no sadness. nothing. you don't see black void becouse you dont see anything. you dont hear. you dont have senses. On June 05 2010 23:07 Reason wrote: Maybe utter emptiness could be viewed as sort of peaceful rather than terrifying? Personal I'd prefer some tripped out ascension to a higher plane. Your not there to view it from either side so... =) | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On June 05 2010 20:59 Reason wrote: These are the same questions every single human has been tangling with for generations. This is why you will never find an answer for these questions. Make up your own answers, or forget about it. Welcome to the club. Even worse, most people have it all figured out by the time they're 15, and if you are unable to do the same your life will be pretty difficult. To the OP: Our minds like to break things down into extremes in almost all cases. In reality, there is generally a continuum. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 06 2010 08:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: Thanks for clearing up all those issues~ (or at least trying to do so with someone with no knowledge of philosophical jargon or theory) I'll keep your name in mind whenever I need a philosophical question answered :3. I should clarify what I was trying to say: where "logic, reason, and science" went, it's only really "science" by definition - I'll copypaste wikipedia here because I don't have a clever definition. "Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise of gathering knowledge about the world and organizing and condensing that knowledge into testable laws and theories." So basically, evaluating and modeling the physical. I stupidly called the second group "existentialism, nihilism, etc" because I view those two general idea-blobs (moreso nihilism) as reactions to attempts to ascribe "meaning" or "value" to some things over others due to faith - so ultimately, extensions of beliefs based on faith. Of course it's selling philosophy several thousand parsecs short, and I shouldn't have done that. Ah, I can sort of see what you're trying to say. I think I'd have to ask you to expand on that a lot more before I'd be able to fairly comment on any of it. Science is a very limited thing in that it's entirely empirical - you can't do anything beyond what you can see, do, and both see and do repeatedly. It's great because anything you do know, you'll know for pretty damn certain, but you can't move any faster than the rate at which things come at you, so to speak. It's very important to keep in mind that limitation to science. It's not an end-all/be-all except in a fanciful and hypothetical sense, when it's complete. I doubt that will ever happen, and if it ever does, it definitely won't be in any sense we can even begin to imagine. I don't know if any of that was relevant at all to what you said, lol, but it's some stuff that came to mind when I read what you wrote. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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RHCPgergo
Hungary345 Posts
On June 07 2010 07:30 FraCuS wrote: Live life to the fullest. That should be everyones goal. Shield battery anyone? ... I was thinking of making a similar post in my blog, but I'm not sure if I could get my points across, so I'll postpone it a little. About death... yeah. You can't know whats after it. Uncertainty may be one of the worst things sometimes. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 06 2010 16:30 fight_or_flight wrote: Even worse, most people have it all figured out by the time they're 15, and if you are unable to do the same your life will be pretty difficult. it is indeed difficult to strive to be honest with one's self. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Kingfisher
Canada144 Posts
But don't worry, you'll just keep bugging yourself with the question until it reaches its peak and you'll start not giving a shit. | ||
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Kingfisher
Canada144 Posts
And no, your IB Theory of Knowledge means nothing to me. IB ToK itself doesn't mean or teach you anything. I know because I took the course. | ||
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United States552 Posts
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