If terran can 1a and win late game while zerg has to be fucking everywhere launching wave after wave of guerrilla attacks and slowly whittling down terran's army and economy before they can even think of engaging, the problem here is more fundamental than "zergs are playing bad".

Edit:

On May 31 2010 15:59 avilo wrote:
I do not play Zerg.

hahahaha

Well that explains a lot.

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

May 31 2010 09:42 GMT

#22

you dont even know how to play terran, dont try to give shitty advice to zergs

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

May 31 2010 13:05 GMT

#23

What about ling/bling drops from your lords when you smash into the mech push?

I didn't see the game, but I can tell you that a handful of SCV is all it takes to stop a nydus

imPERSONater

United States1324 Posts

May 31 2010 16:44 GMT

#24

If your answer to the problem of dealing with late game mech is to avoid the army indefinitely there is something wrong with the matchup. You aren't offering a solution, just merely stalling the mech army. You still can't engage the terran army so you just need to skirt around it until they give up? There needs to be a more viable strategy than that.

eLiE

Canada1039 Posts

May 31 2010 17:15 GMT

#25

i was hoping IdrA would comment on this so he could tell you how dumb this idea is. If anyone has ways for trying to counter mech, it would be him, but I doubt even he has anything solid. It's broken, and will probably be addressed in a patch.

And I'd love to see a mass nydus worm replay

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

May 31 2010 17:22 GMT

#26

I really liked the Hydralisk/Mutalisk composition in Starcraft 1 against the Terran Mech army. I think with things like Infestors and Banelings, I don't think that Terran mech against Zerg is "broken". I haven't seen too many games with this, but has anyone tried to hydra/muta combo against Terran Mech?

And what about Broodlords? O_o

imPERSONater

United States1324 Posts

May 31 2010 17:38 GMT

#27

Hydra/muta is dominated by tanks with stim marines in the mix. Mutas are not good against large groups of stimmed marines and the hydras just melt to the tanks. If they have ravens for good measure, it stops any type of roach unburrow on the tanks and PDD do a number on the mutas and hydras. Like I said further up, the only "solution" has been to try and exploit the T immobility, but that is really just avoiding the issue. A heads up battle in TvZ lategame (with tanks) will go T's way almost every time.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

May 31 2010 17:42 GMT

#28

On June 01 2010 02:38 imPERSONater wrote:
Hydra/muta is dominated by tanks with stim marines in the mix. Mutas are not good against large groups of stimmed marines and the hydras just melt to the tanks. If they have ravens for good measure, it stops any type of roach unburrow on the tanks and PDD do a number on the mutas and hydras. Like I said further up, the only "solution" has been to try and exploit the T immobility, but that is really just avoiding the issue. A heads up battle in TvZ lategame (with tanks) will go T's way almost every time.

Wait wait wait.....

We were talking about Mech here right? Tanks with Stimmed Marines is not mech. Tank/Marine prompts for a difference response from Zerg.

Celestial

United States652 Posts

May 31 2010 17:42 GMT

#29

For people who didn't see the game, qxc's army composition was a handful of Thors, a huge number of Vikings, four to eight Ravens and the rest in tanks with maybe 40 SCVs maxed in the late game scenario given. Eventually it got to the point where the Ravens could act like Science Vessals with HSM on the Zerg army with Viking support to cover them.

I felt that at that point the army composition from qxc won him the game and was extremely solid. He did drag the game out longer than it needed to be, but it can be understandable to not take risks if you're ahead.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

May 31 2010 17:46 GMT

#30

On June 01 2010 02:42 Celestial wrote:
For people who didn't see the game, qxc's army composition was a handful of Thors, a huge number of Vikings, four to eight Ravens and the rest in tanks with maybe 40 SCVs maxed in the late game scenario given. Eventually it got to the point where the Ravens could act like Science Vessals with HSM on the Zerg army with Viking support to cover them.

I felt that at that point the army composition from qxc won him the game and was extremely solid. He did drag the game out longer than it needed to be, but it can be understandable to not take risks if you're ahead.

Thanks for the heads up on the unit composition. Now my proposed solution seems a bit off. Haha.

But seriously, in that type of a position, qxc must've had a huge advantage to get himself an army like that. I don't think that "Terran mech" is broken solves anything if Terran can only amass such an army when it gets a huge advantage.

imPERSONater

United States1324 Posts

May 31 2010 18:55 GMT

#31

On June 01 2010 02:42 Zergneedsfood wrote:

Show nested quote +

Wait wait wait.....

We were talking about Mech here right? Tanks with Stimmed Marines is not mech. Tank/Marine prompts for a difference response from Zerg.

I figured this composition was the problem, mech is not easy but okay to handle. Mech w/ marines is what I find to be the bane of zerg. I figured if so much trouble is being had with the composition marines must be involved (or I guess vikings) to negate any threat of air.

Slayer91

Ireland23469 Posts

May 31 2010 19:21 GMT

#32

I agree drops and nydus worms needs to be abused more but if he manages to get his absolute money composition 200/200 with like no scvs I think mass corruptor broodlord seems like a smarter choice, since there is no unit that absolute rapes corruptors on air or absolutely rapes broodlord on the ground so he can't abuse having better units than you like with every other unit zerg can make.

eLiE

Canada1039 Posts

May 31 2010 21:15 GMT

#33

now that i think about it, part of the problem is the fact that the roach supply increased to 2, meaning he has half as many roaches at 200/200 supply, cause his mass roaches were getting absolutely murdered. I think increasing the tanks supply, or giving the roach back its 1 supply would be a step forward in fixing the problem. at this point the only thing that has a chance is broods and corrupters. going ground means losing soundly.